NG 191 controlled euthanasia in the UK.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: AOx6179

"Last dollar"?

I'm from England. We have free treatment on the NHS.

Which is the topic of this thread.

Nurses here don't get paid by racking up anything.

They get a pittance of a salary which is why they are currently taking strike action for fair pay in about the first time in history.

Dollars, indeed.

Doesn't make sense why you took the OP so personally. Was trying to figure out why. You getting so upset shows that there is some underlying issues here that you might be projecting. Was trying to figure out what your point is.

I concede tho. This went south on me and that wasn't my intent. I learn from others. I will step away and let ya have it.
Carry on

a reply to: Jason79

Was this in the UK?

Which is what we are discussing?

a reply to: AOx6179

Underlying issues?

Like, my own actual experience of our NHS?

As in not being complicit in genocide as that struck off Nurse claimed?

Well, excuse me.

My point was quite evident.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: AOx6179

Underlying issues?

Like, my own actual experience of our NHS?

As in not being complicit in genocide as that struck off Nurse claimed?

Well, excuse me.

My point was quite evident.

K. Have a nice day

a reply to: Raggedyman

Just speaking from my own direct experience, and that of many family members, friends and colleagues.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

They will follow orders and do what they are told to do. If they don't there are protocols in place.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: anonentity

I really think that ATS has now become an absolute joke.

Do you know any paramedics, nurses or doctors?

You really think they are all complicit in mass murder?

Shame on you.

A new low.

I know very few that spoke up while medical ethics, informed consent, and patient rights, were thrown out the window to serve political interests and pharmaceutical profits. Of course there were authoritarians dictating junk science and their devoted fans made it very difficult for medical professionals to speak out. I guess having excitedly participated as a member of the unpaid pharma PR collective and ridiculing those that dissented you'd rather ignore that.

Who could have possibly foreseen there would be an irrational backlash against the health industry on the heels of forcing people to take a dangerous and ineffective therapeutic? Who would have guessed that dehumanizing people that disagree with you and violating human rights might cause them to hold a grudge? If only somebody had warned about this potential outcome. It's all so sudden and unexpected!

Maybe when people start admitting they were wrong then the damaged reputations can start being repaired. Of course the behavior of those that fought shamelessly to support pharma narratives while being dismissive of the warnings from experienced professionals that children and others at no real risk from COVID were dying from an unnecessary vaccine, that might not be so quickly forgotten.

If ATS is a joke, I wonder why it's one of the few places that didn't censor things that weren't government approved truth over the last three years? I guess it would be easier for some if the source holding evidence that they engaged in three years of parroting junk science, that they didn't really understand or bother trying to, could just be discarded as nothing more than a joke. Then they can walk away from their errors rather then internalizing the difficult lessons they might teach.

Ha ha, I guess.

a reply to: Ksihkehe

Well, if you think that our NHS Nurses are complicit in "genocide" which, by the way, is "dehumanizing" people, then there you go.

Not a supporter of pharma, just denying ignorance.

Always said, vaccines are a personal choice. Never supported mandates.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: anonentity

I really think that ATS has now become an absolute joke.

Do you know any paramedics, nurses or doctors?

You really think they are all complicit in mass murder?

Shame on you.

A new low.

I know very few that spoke up while medical ethics, informed consent, and patient rights, were thrown out the window to serve political interests and pharmaceutical profits. Of course there were authoritarians dictating junk science and their devoted fans made it very difficult for medical professionals to speak out. I guess having excitedly participated as a member of the unpaid pharma PR collective and ridiculing those that dissented you'd rather ignore that.

Who could have possibly foreseen there would be an irrational backlash against the health industry on the heels of forcing people to take a dangerous and ineffective therapeutic? Who would have guessed that dehumanizing people that disagree with you and violating human rights might cause them to hold a grudge? If only somebody had warned about this potential outcome. It's all so sudden and unexpected!

Maybe when people start admitting they were wrong then the damaged reputations can start being repaired. Of course the behavior of those that fought shamelessly to support pharma narratives while being dismissive of the warnings from experienced professionals that children and others at no real risk from COVID were dying from an unnecessary vaccine, that might not be so quickly forgotten.

If ATS is a joke, I wonder why it's one of the few places that didn't censor things that weren't government approved truth over the last three years? I guess it would be easier for some if the source holding evidence that they engaged in three years of parroting junk science, that they didn't really understand or bother trying to, could just be discarded as nothing more than a joke. Then they can walk away from their errors rather then internalizing the difficult lessons they might teach.

Ha ha, I guess.

Well stated.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Jason79

Was this in the UK?

Which is what we are discussing?

My bad, I keep forgetting foreigners are not real people, and therefor do not have human thoughts and feelings.

I mean that is your entire peoples history and legacy.

Maybe you would be more comfortable on a europeans board?

Polyps? Decades? I've actually had them and it wasn't decades.

Yep clearly colon cancer developed in you and killed you dead in a matter of minutes, despite the rest of the world not being even screened into their 40s and 50s due to colon cancer historically slow growth..

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: anonentity

I really think that ATS has now become an absolute joke.

Do you know any paramedics, nurses or doctors?

You really think they are all complicit in mass murder?

Shame on you.

A new low.

What are you on about, ever hear of the abuse of the Liverpool Care Pathway as it was called, how old folk's often not even that ill and younger people who were ill but had failing health were often first starved as well as being sedated and then not given water so they dies of NATURAL causes just so the government did not have to pay for there health care and the benefits they would need to live out the rest of their lives in dignity.

They have been killing above working age people since the late 60's mate, not officially mind but it has been going on through a whole myriad of means even before the Liverpool care pathway was formulated by some twisted nurse.

When the NHS was founded it was meant to give ALL people, young and old, well and ill a FULL and COMPREHENSIVE and COMPLETE and FREE health care package.

It was and IS supposedly being paid for by our National Insurance contributions but the government KEEPS ON STEALING that money for their other uses and cutting NI for the rich and shifting tax burden from the rich onto the poor like always.

Wake up man.

Over in German before WW2 the NAZI's brought in Euthanasia for those they deemed to be a burden to the state, the disabled, the sick and the mentally challenged and insane.

Same thing is happening now but it is not to build a super race because of twisted eugenic ideology but rather to save the thieving rich pricks and oligarchy that have usurped our nation from us from having to pay there fair whak of tax as they should.

I mean for God sake man we have an unelected pagan prime minister that worship's and elephant headed idol he carry's with him everywhere that comes from a culture in which Caste exists, those of the lowest caste are not even deemed to be human and there lives are deemed to be almost worthless to the Hindu's.

We have a former Doctor that trashed the NHS on his watch under a previous prime minister and is now Chancellor who has shown he never intended to uphold his Hippocratic oath by the sheer number of people he has been party to harming.

We have the worst, least Christian and most anti human government in the last few hundred plus years.

Wake up will you.

There may be one or two who will still have a moral core but in general of course they bloody would.

And add to that the fact they can under this new protocol for killing people take up to a hundred thousand pounds of there assets, that is the doctors AND the social services.

And the hospitals will have to kill so many people in order to get there money from the government, this is incentivising murder of our people, this is no longer the NHS it is turning palliative care into death camps.

Wake up man.

originally posted by: LABTECH767

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: anonentity

I really think that ATS has now become an absolute joke.

Do you know any paramedics, nurses or doctors?

You really think they are all complicit in mass murder?

Shame on you.

A new low.

What are you on about, ever hear of the abuse of the Liverpool Care Pathway as it was called, how old folk's often not even that ill and younger people who were ill but had failing health were often first starved as well as being sedated and then not given water so they dies of NATURAL causes just so the government did not have to pay for there health care and the benefits they would need to live out the rest of their lives in dignity.

They have been killing above working age people since the late 60's mate, not officially mind but it has been going on through a whole myriad of means even before the Liverpool care pathway was formulated by some twisted nurse.

When the NHS was founded it was meant to give ALL people, young and old, well and ill a FULL and COMPREHENSIVE and COMPLETE and FREE health care package.

It was and IS supposedly being paid for by our National Insurance contributions but the government KEEPS ON STEALING that money for their other uses and cutting NI for the rich and shifting tax burden from the rich onto the poor like always.

Wake up man.

Over in German before WW2 the NAZI's brought in Euthanasia for those they deemed to be a burden to the state, the disabled, the sick and the mentally challenged and insane.

Same thing is happening now but it is not to build a super race because of twisted eugenic ideology but rather to save the thieving rich pricks and oligarchy that have usurped our nation from us from having to pay there fair whak of tax as they should.

I mean for God sake man we have an unelected pagan prime minister that worship's and elephant headed idol he carry's with him everywhere that comes from a culture in which Caste exists, those of the lowest caste are not even deemed to be human and there lives are deemed to be almost worthless to the Hindu's.

We have a former Doctor that trashed the NHS on his watch under a previous prime minister and is now Chancellor who has shown he never intended to uphold his Hippocratic oath by the sheer number of people he has been party to harming.

We have the worst, least Christian and most anti human government in the last few hundred plus years.

Wake up will you.

There may be one or two who will still have a moral core but in general of course they bloody would.

Not to mention what happened in "insane asylums" (ie mental hospitals) back then, and now in or modern day mental health care facilities.

a reply to: anonentity

If Euthanasia, becomes an accepted trend…..then Human Composting will be all the rage …

Go Green……

Source: New York approves composting of human bodies

New York has become the latest US state to allow so-called human composting. A person can now have their body turned into soil after their death - which is seen as an environmentally friendly alternative to a burial or cremation. Also known as "natural organic reduction", the practice sees a body decompose over several weeks after being shut in a container.

I think I’ll be composted for my front yard. My roses haven’t been looking well, and Miracle Grow doesn’t seem to be working for me…..maybe I can help……

Or this can become a rage as well….just pour me down the drain..

Source: Water Cremation: The Green Burial Alternative

👽

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Ksihkehe

Well, if you think that our NHS Nurses are complicit in "genocide" which, by the way, is "dehumanizing" people, then there you go.

Not a supporter of pharma, just denying ignorance.

Always said, vaccines are a personal choice. Never supported mandates.

Problem is, medical people whether nurses, doctors, pharmacists, paramedics should have also taken the "vaccines are a personal choice" and "never supported mandates" approach. All of them.

The vast majority toed the party line out of fear of repercussions, which is understandable but not ethical. Had they done their jobs they would have researched these new vaccines as new info and stats came out, learned of the corrupt history of the pharma companies before pushing the products, questioned the lack of product info inserts and thus lack of informed consent. Instead, they did tik tok choreographies and sat on their laurels while scheduled surgeries were put on hold. They did not stand by their fellow workers who did question the shots rather than asking what was so serious that their coworkers would throw away their careers over. They sat back and said nothing when the unvaccinated were demonized by media and families alike.

I do think they care about their jobs and most do them well, but they cared more about complying and virtue signaling than questioning and learning.

a reply to: igloo
Adding... don't bother answering, Carpy. I'm simply done with the medical system. They have ultimately betrayed the physical and mental health of the people they were supposed to care for.

If they were veterinarians and put pets on lockdown for years with no contact, in isolation, in muzzles, not allowed out of a crate, gave shots that were not safe and effective they would have their asses handed to them but people would understand what a violation of basic rights this is.

a reply to: igloo
Over target I believe is the latest terminology.
Thank you for both your comments.
Rainbows
Jane

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Ksihkehe

Well, if you think that our NHS Nurses are complicit in "genocide" which, by the way, is "dehumanizing" people, then there you go.

Not a supporter of pharma, just denying ignorance.

Always said, vaccines are a personal choice. Never supported mandates.

Now you're "playing" dumb. I specifically called the implication of them engaging in genocide irrational backlash, which is an entirely predictable outcome. I didn't have to turn it into an emotional accusation, but called it exactly what it was without the pearl-clutching. You injected it with far more emotion than you seemed to have while dismissing harm to kids and calling accusations against junk science for the benefit of pharma misinformation and irrational doom porn.

I never said you supported mandates, which is just another attempt to misconstrue my post and "play" dumb refuting claims I didn't make.

That you now have more concern for the hurt feelings of medical professionals, over words that they will likely never even read, than than you did for harm to children is not at all surprising. Perhaps you forgot the discussions, but I did not. My concern over children was mocked as irrational. I see no reason this clutching of pearls over an entirely predictable outcome shouldn't be called out for exactly what it is.

a reply to: glen200376

i know as an %^"£$% southerner we'll never agree on much but while 9 out 10 is high, it not wrong to say the nhs and our welfare state was setup by liberal eugenicists to euthanise, sterilise and otherwise control the working class.. if the liberals had their way there would have been no one left to fight the nazis. Atlee saved us from the worst aspects of liberalism.

however I do think it fair to say a lot of bad practices are getting baked in as they did in the 60s and 70s, thats the kind of discussions i've been having with current and ex nhs hcas and nurses, many in the family worked at hove hospital on the aids ward before and after they moved to the isolation hospital at Bevendean and they liken the current practices to back then, i trust them as their knowledge helped me navigate the AIDs outbreak in brighton as a clueless teen i tend to liken the 2 periods in terms of similar misinformation and paranoia over covid by westminster and the media

I worked in the nhs at the turn of the millenium when they finally realised incinerating autopsy material rather than returning it to family for burial was wrong, finding and fixing broken processes has always been my main job.. i did try post 2007/8 crash with the finance industry but they are also f*cked beyond repair i started to just work for SMEs rather than corporates..

in terms of today the scale of scandals is another part thats akin the similar failings of the 60s and 70s.. my trust has an major issue with mental health patients dying through neglect, numbering in near 500 over the last 5 years many others have issues but with other areas like maternity care.. we have broken processes being baked that staff just go along with as thats the way its done..

its not evil people doing that but healthcare is as broken as every other facet of our society and its taking a heavy toll..

Covid has allowed some of the worst kinds of practices to become the norm..

i spent a month on 6 hyper acute wards, every night was filled with little old ladies begging for their family for their god, or for someone to save them.. in that time i never saw a priest once comfort the dying..

I came out feeling pretty sure the nhs as it stands are as past repair a nd i feel confident to say that i'm sure the exact same issues are reflected across the entire west as they where with the asylums

none of the parties will ever be able to fix it we need a new party to step up as labour did in the 40s sad that modern labour looks and smells like all the other parties who look and smell like the eugenicists of the 20s and 30s..

we need a new party to step up and fix the issues plaguing society as Atlees labour did..

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: anonentity

I really think that ATS has now become an absolute joke.

Do you know any paramedics, nurses or doctors?

You really think they are all complicit in mass murder?

Shame on you.

A new low.

They will do whatever they are told. The NHS doctors and nurses have been covering each other's arses for decades. I have witnessed cover-ups and denials within the system.

Vaccine deaths and injuries keep piling up yet try and get a Doctor or Nurse to admit it. Look what happens to whistleblowers within the NHS. They all sign a non-disclosure agreement..ie, Silenced from the start.

I'll give you a perfect example. My Son had a bad reaction to his second jab. chest pains, elevated heart rate. When he went for his third he was asked if he had any reaction to his previous jab, He told them what happened. The Nurse? Stuck a needle in him without saying a word. My son had a seizure that night.

My other Son had a debilitating Migraine for two weeks after his first. They stuck him again without question.

My mum had Chest pains after her third, she was convinced she was having a heart attack. She got a fourth without question.

If you roll up your sleeve they will jab you. If you die it'll just be a coincidence. Remember the only people with total immunity are the vaccine manufacturers. They asked for this for a reason.

Wake up.

a reply to: AOx6179

to many scandals already brewing..

ironically trans activists spent a lot of time and effort getting a professor sacked from sussex uni to protect their mental health rather than the protest the trust letting mental health patients die...

in other trusts its scandals in maternity care..

the thing is like the asylums this isn't limited to the uk or the nhs but is endemic in the west..