CIA Overthrew my Government!

In 1975 the CIA overthrew the Australian Government when they deposed elected Prime Minister Gough Whitlam. The USA was angry with our Australian PM because he was not a US puppet. When Whitlam was elected in 1972 he withdrew the Aussie troops from Vietnam within hours of winning the election and taking office. This was the first of many actions that raised the ire of Washington. Just three short years later the CIA had worked to have Whitlam removed and a more US friendly Australian PM installed.

To remove our Prime Minister a rarely used queens reserve power was used by the Governor-General, the Queens representative in Australia , Sir John Kerr. The Office of Governor-General is largely ceremonial and the use of the reserve powers is one of the biggest scandals in Australian political history to this day. Sir John Kerr was referred to in CIA circles as "our man Kerr." Many blame the Queen for overthrowing our government but it is not so simple. It was the CIA that was influencing Sir John Kerr to do what he did and there is proof of this fact.

Former NSA contractor Christopher Boyce was a whistleblower that came across misrouted CIA cables that discussed the CIA plans to destabilize the Australian Whitlam Government in the name of US interests.

When you consider the shocking fact that the Australian government has been overthrown by the CIA, then you understand why Australian politicians seem like they are all US puppets. The CIA has been in open contact with many other Australian leaders and politicians in the past including former PM Bob Hawke as revealed in the wikileaks cables. Often these people help the CIA for nothing in return other than that it makes them feel important. Not only does the CIA meddle in the politics of Australia to this day but we also have CIA 'mockingbirds' working in our media trying to help US interests.

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Nobody ever talks about this hey. The Queen being responsible for removing Whitlam is just an accepted part of Australian history and Whitlam himself is probably most to blame due to his comment - "Ladies and gentlemen, well may we say 'God Save the Queen', because nothing will save the Governor-General." The narrative is always that England was to blame for removing Whitlam - USA being responsible isnt even a thought. Apparently the Governor General didnt even tell the Queen what he was going to do before he did it. Our man Kerr..

I dont really care about this because the way I see it Australia doesnt deserve to exist and we are nothing more than a US protectorate so we basically should and have to do what USA wants us to do. Fair enough.

Apparently there is a book and movie about this called 'The Falcon and the Snowman: American Sons' - so its not exactly a secret but still - the accepted narrative seems to remain that England is to blame - not USA.

What do you guys think?



Ha. And hey - did the CIA assassinate Harold Holt too?

Wow, the whole time I was reading this I kept thinking of Red Gum and how this was around their era and when I got to the bottom you had posted one of their songs!

I have an old worn cassette tape of their music my brother brought back from Australia back then. Such amazing, heart felt music.

Editing to add, this particular song is probably the most evocative war song. So beautiful sounding but so sad and full of ghosts. For me, it really highlights the injustice of sending the young and innocent to war and how immoral all leadership, from military to media was for their part in it.

I have never heard of this but I did hear something about getting your original Constitution replaced back in the 70's. (charter rights, same stuff as Canada). Australia has provided more than her share of soldiers in the wars of Great Britain. Their distinguished records are enough to earn my respect. Don't know much else beyond your involvement in the Queen's scuffles.

a reply to: thelastman

That is one often rogue US agency that need's a good clean up, though to be fair most of there agent's and personnel are simply patriots of there country.

Some however are actually criminals and lest you forget they were involved in the illegal drugs trade making money from selling drugs to the US own citizens, along with the FBI they were also involved in harming there at the time flourishing middle class and upwardly mobile black American community's by funnelling drugs into those back in the 50's and 60's.

Basically they had to be as evil as the KGB to get there job done but in the end turned out to be if anything even worse than the KGB, experimenting on innocent members of there own public and of course the French were they released L.S.D. into the community by lacing bread and causing an entire French community whom they had used as guinea pig's to go insane.

And like Australia they were involved in a coup plot and possibly the scandal that eventually brought down a Labour Government in the 1970's over (Up from our - or from your perspective Down) here in the UK.

They would argue that the 1970's UK Coup plot was homegrown as Members of the Tory party whom were on the opposition benches at the time and Lord Mountbatten whom was intended to be put into power as unelected prime minister after the coup were behind this but first they went to the CIA and asked them if they would help and received the CIA's 'Tacit' blessing for the enterprise to proceed.
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As part of there coup plan they tried to blacken the labour leader making him out to be a Soviet mole which he most definitely was not.
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Apparently the queen had already talked Mountbatten out of an earlier Coup Plot back in 1968 so this was there second plan.
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So they do have a habit of putting there noses firmly were they do not belong.

Now if it IS in there national interest all fine, well and good as our own secret service would probably do the same thing.

But I do believe the US should get a tighter grip on them and bring them under control as they often do things that end up being detrimental to there own nation and to there allies, it's not the fault of there agent's so much as the vested interest of whom ever is running there agency at the time and of course they remain a necessary evil in a world that is now more dangerous than ever, even more dangerous than it was at the height of the cold war though a nagging voice does say how much of that is there fault in the first place?.

Remember though many of them are brave, patriotic men, many have given there lives for there own nation and for yours and ours over the years, we will never know the sacrifice of the good men as there work is top secret but that does not excuse the corruption and often very dirty dealings this agency of the US has gotten up to over the years many of which probably turn the bulk of there own agent's stomach's if they know about them.

Thats what shes there for, to kill freedom, attack heterosexuality and join the enemies of her people. Shes englands enemies greatest asset. When the enemies of the UK, Europe and Western Society need a sure way in to hit us where it hurts the most shes their go to operative every damn time. And you wonder why foreign people love her 25 times more than her own flesh and blood people, figure it out folks it doesnt take a brain surgeon. This only serves to prove what extensive damage one carefully placed retarded traitor can do, given enough time they can bring an entire civilisation down from the inside.

And I am utterly amazed that a freedom loving English patriot hasnt blown her peanut brain noggin off with a powerful rifle yet considering her continuous crusade against her own country and its people.

Remember, what you see on the tellie doesnt reflect what happens when the cameras are off. You can dress any traitor up to look like the greatest patriot of all time.

What do you guys think?

Sounds like you are trying to stir a big pile of poo that many will remain in wonder. Talk to Kerr to find out why he did what he did. The public is still waiting. Lots of theories.

As for Oz being owned by the CIA, in part sure. China has a good chunk these days as well. Guess it is all part of the same tribe with how Hunter is rolling?

The sorcery of secrets and who has it on who. It can all get bent from here.

Cool thread I never knew this aspect am I following correctly so Boyce had actual documents on this or that's just his explanation why he started.DID he have evidence or it was just his story. I'm inclined to believe him FWIW



I didn't know or recall the Australian angle to the Falcon and Snowman saga. I just thought they were an idealistic guy with top security clearance and a small-time drug dealer and they sold secrets to Russia about satellites IIRC. I didn't know that was his impetus to do so,

FWIW I could definitely see the CIA freaking out with the fall of Vietnam, hard to believe the average citizen would want to lose a US base? that doesn't mean the CIA should interject it self into Australian politics.

However there an uncited reference that President Jimmy Carter said he was sorry and we would never do that again, so all better right?


wikispooks.com...

Apology from Carter
Whitlam said that in 1977 Warren Christopher, the United States Deputy Secretary of State , made a special trip to Sydney to meet with him and told him, on behalf of US President Jimmy Carter, of his willingness to work with whatever government Australians elected, and that the US would never again interfere with Australia's democratic processes.[citation needed]

Welcome to our country, I'm going to start referring to your land and people, as the 51st State.

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a reply to: LABTECH767

The original 3 partner of 'A Very British Coup' with Ray McNally, playing a Socialist Prime Minister, is worth a peek.

One of the closing scenes is between McNally and an aristocratic senior civil servant. The Civil Servant explains the Prime Minister had to be deposed because the was a grave danger he might actually make Socialism work.

The number of times privatisation of the NHS has been mumbled in the current round of UK Tory party leader (aka the Prime Minister) elections tells me the CIA is all over British politics, in every way.

a reply to: thelastman

considering the fact that the guy who alleged this conspiracy was a Soviet spy, i have some doubts...

originally posted by: igloo
Wow, the whole time I was reading this I kept thinking of Red Gum and how this was around their era and when I got to the bottom you had posted one of their songs!

I have an old worn cassette tape of their music my brother brought back from Australia back then. Such amazing, heart felt music.

Editing to add, this particular song is probably the most evocative war song. So beautiful sounding but so sad and full of ghosts. For me, it really highlights the injustice of sending the young and innocent to war and how immoral all leadership, from military to media was for their part in it.

Think you’ll thoroughly enjoy this one, written by a Scot who moved here if you’re wondering why he doesn’t sound Aussie;

a reply to: thelastman

What about the time then Prime Minister Kevin Rudd expelled the Mossad chief from Australia after Israeli assassins used falsified Australian passports to carry out their dirty deeds in the UAE?

He then was summoned by the Israel lobby and we had a leadership coup three weeks later and a new, unelected Prime Minister?

We don’t have the sovereignty we believe we do unfortunately.

a reply to: thelastman

Like a lot of old war dogs my age I was down in Central and South America helping to train people to overthrow foreign governments in that theater in the early 80’s. I did not know about Australia but it’s not surprising these United States have been throwing their weight around for a long time.

a reply to: Doxanoxa

I absolutely agree, if it is not them then it is something homegrown but there is a movement to destroy the Socialist left within the Labour party, a party that was founded on socialist principles.

They never had to worry about the British Communist party however as that never gained any votes but because the Labour Party was always moderate left (even when it came to power after WW2 and the institutions it privatised and opened for the public were expressly never to be sold off - not that that ever stopped the Tory's or indeed the Tory's in sheep's clothing so called New Labour).

Thatcher had a young man whom worked for the conservatives back in the 1980's by the name of David Cameron work as a go between to arrange a highly illegal and even treasonous deal as well as one that broke international law with the Saudi's, it was NOT a deal that did our nation any good but one that certainly netted the Tory/Conservative party a large financial donation from the Saudi Royal Family and that deal was to deliberately LOSE the South African nuclear weapons that had been shipped THERE on there way back to the United kingdom to be disposed of, they of course never made it here but were instead DISSAPPEARED from an unguarded and unmanned - and unlocked - compound were they were left overnight, these nukes were supposedly already deactivated but we all buy that now don't we.

She was also friends with Pinochet the south American Chilean dictator whom was so enamoured of the NAZI's that his army were even dressed like the WW2 German's.

Her Husband Dennis was supposedly a modest millionaire with just about four million pounds but in fact it was rumoured he was actually a multi billionaire but had his wealth hidden in offshore account's to avoid taxation and in particular in a certain African nation that his son later tried to arrange a coup to overthrow the government of in order to recover those assets.

Basically my opinion of the Tory's is extremely low, they are self important entitled nasty little thieves and fraudsters.

But New Labour are equally bad, remember how Blair changed the law to allow squatters to steal houses if they were in them for a certain number of years or how he used his position to help his wife Cherry whom was a barrister get away with some rotten fraudulent deals to do with a property investment in London.

The problem we have is that our politicians are hand picked and there masters are mostly outside the country, when on the rare occasion a back bencher whom is honest gets to the front of either party they are then character assassinated and blackened with the controlled media going to extremes to destroy there public image as happened to Jeremy Corbyn (though let's be fair his choice of shadow cabinet was abysmal with the exception of John MacDonald (whom in my opinion would have made an even better prime minister but did not want the role? I wonder why).

What happened to the OP ?


a reply to: LABTECH767

a reply to: Scubalicious

No idea but some subjects are taboo, that does not mean they are not to be talked about.

But while the subject matter is indeed interesting we need another one on how the KGB and later the Russian Intelligence services have tried to interfere in western democracy.

I believe that would explain it if you catch my meaning.

And while we can be critical of our own and our allies interference we must also be critical of those whom may NOT be our allies and there potentially ulterior motives for sometimes stoking these old wound's.

The Russians have indeed done there own fair share as indeed are the Chinese today so take this as a litmus test and think if they did this then what did those whom are not our allies do and I suspect it was at least every bit as bad and perhaps even far worse at times, take the strikes of the 1970's if you recall the Soviet union was stoking those up and hoping it would cause political turmoil within the UK, while I think our Allies were wrong to tamper with our democracy just maybe they did it to counter tampering there opposite number were doing, worth thinking on.



My own grandfather was British military intelligence so I have no animosity toward our allies but am bloody well annoyed at this tampering with there allies elections which is to my mind out of order BUT yes it may have been in fact Counter Tampering if they believed the Soviets had tampered the other way, certainly there was interreference like I say in the UK in the 1970's and early 1980's by the Soviet union through moles within the extreme left of the union movements back then and I believe there goal was to create political and economic chaos within our nation (Britain) BUT they were NOT on the side of Labour (And Labour was most certainly not on there side being a true democratic party unlike communism and it's fascistic totalitarianism) they just wanted our nation weakened as that meant a weaker NATO.

But the Yank's should still have left it up to our own guy's at our MI agency's and NOT put there nose into our affairs (the Tory's at the time the opposition party inviting them also did not give them justification moral or otherwise, we do enough of there dirty work for them with GCHQ so it was disgusting to have a knife in our back back then).

One other thought, if people are frightened of speaking there minds about a western intelligence agency then what does that say of the current state of our own democracy and freedom, if we live in fear of our own intelligence agency's then the lives of countless agents that died for freedom were given in vain.

Freedom of speech and freedom of thought and opinion are cornerstones of democratic freedom, without such there is no democracy.

In fact it would be worth while for a CIA agent current or former whom may know about some of this to speak there mind and venture there opinion.

And for that matter though our secrecy laws are a lot tighter than those of the US a MI agent or former Agent could also venture there opinion since it is our country and other commonwealth country's such as Australia we are talking about here, what the US does in it's own house is it's own business but it had no right to get involved in a coup plot within the UK as indeed it did at least - Tacitly although this is now nearly 50 years ago now and all of those involved are long gone or at the very least very long retired.

a reply to: thelastman

They did the same thing to my country. ☹️

Well, you've joined the club. This is a recent exchange between John Bolton and CNN bot Jake Trapper. Not much gets me these days, but I can't believe the anal orifice actually said this. No, it's no surprise, but to just blurt it out loud:

John Bolton: It’s a mistake to say this was a carefully planned coup…

Tapper: I don’t know if I agree with you… one doesn’t have to be brilliant to attempt a coup

Bolton: I disagree with that, as someone who has helped planned coups, not here, but in other places..

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a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

That one came to mind, as well as this one. Eric Bogle is an international treasure.