Europeans look to China as global partner, shun Trump's US

originally posted by: lakenheath24
So the Kurds were a trading partner!?

Meh...the US is either a bully or antipathetic. We cant win eh!

Not a trading partner but an ally in the M.E. Now that we've abandoned the Kutds, it shows them and the rest of the world that the US can't be trusted. The Paris climate Accord: can't be trusted, Iran nuclear deal: can't be trusted. Whether these were the correct decisions or not it sets a bad precedent and the US will become more and more isolated on the world stage of geopolitics.

originally posted by: bastion
It's more to do with China and India being set to take over the US in economic and potentially military power by 2040 -2050. It's a new world emerging geo-politically.

Yeah, and thanks the gods that Trump put the kibosh on that trend.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

If China told the west to kick rocks on rare earth material production... Every economy would take a nose dive until we were able to get the old factories back up and running.

Exactly what the Japanese leaders were a thinkin right before they made their biggest mistake ever.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: lostbook

We’ve abandoned the Kurds before. We abandoned the Palestinians. It’s what we do.

Yes, Trump is a agent of the significant deep changes in the state of the world.

Great thread; good luck with it.

S&F

Thanks!

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: lostbook

Chinese trade is a Trojan Horse. They lure you in with super cheap prices (by using essentially slave labor), and they create a trade imbalance.

I think countries should start really focusing on being more self sufficient. Encourage domestic products over that of imports whenever possible.

Even Noam Chomsky has been saying that Neo Liberal (some say globalist) policies have been detrimental to western nations. He accredits that to the "surprise" wave of right wing politicians gaining power through the west.

Should probably be this way but it's not. Trump's isolationist policies are leaving us..........well...........isolated!

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: Raggedyman

The US is a financial basket case in my opinion, debt beyond ever paying back And Trump has changed the system

Just a question...you understand that 99% if not 100 % of countries are in some sort of debt ? Point is...can you make debt payments and not destroy yourself in the process.

I must have missed where the debt was being payed off and only seen where the US was sinking in debt
I just don’t think the financial plan that the US enacted was working, Trumps alternative might work,
what was being done wasn’t working,

originally posted by: paraphi
To note that the article is about France and not Europe as a collective. France is not Europe and Europe is not France. France kowtowing with China has to do with trade.

God help us if the European Union start to treat China with some form of credibility with regards to climate change. China is the biggest polluter and continues to create vast swathes of pollution and ecological mayhem.

This is the issue isn't it? With China calling the shots instead of the US, the world will be a very different place. More Authoritarian,possible more polluted, and more dangerous.

originally posted by: sooth
So the E.U. has no ethics or standards and are willing to subjugate themselves and everything they pretend to believe for short term profit like some pathetic, morally unconscionable global corporation and this all somehow translates to Trump bad and the U.S. evil?

This whole thing is obviously a poorly constructed bluff, but let's pretend they're serious for a minute. The people of Europe better stand up and put a stop to this now because you're quickly going to learn that in the U.S. you had a partner that was willing to bend over when necessary, but with China you all are going to be doing all the bending over and taking it straight up the pooper.

Enjoy your tyranny.

This isn't what I'm saying. What i'm saying is that people, the world over, are losing faith in the US as a reliable partner after we( the US) have backed out of deals, shredded pacts, and turned our backs on allies-namely, the Kurds. Would you continue to trust someone who made a deal with you then walked out of the deal because they no longer agreed to the terms of the deal? Would you trust someone who had your back in a fight then left you to fend for yourself before the fight was over?

About time everyone stopped looking to the USA to solve the world's problems. Let us fix our own country first.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: lostbook
Hello ATS, I want to post something which I think points to a significant change in Geopolitics. In this newest development it seems that there's a change on the world stage where countries are starting to look at China for leadership on issues of trade, the climate and peace accords which the Trump administration has backed out of.

Is this a joke? Yahoo? No, its an AP article, but still a joke.

Looking to China for leadership on the issue of trade??? Hilarious!!

As to climate change, yeah, since they are the world leader in climate destruction, it makes sense to look to them for leadership in cleaning things up... even more hilarious!!

"Eswar Prasad, a Cornell University economist and former head of the International Monetary Fund's China division, said "the Trump administration's antipathy to multilateralism, its repudiation of many international agreements, and hostility toward even longstanding allies, have all eroded U.S. economic and geopolitical influence." "The U.S. is now seen by other countries as an unreliable and untrustworthy partner, leaving them to maneuver around the U.S. by striking bilateral and multilateral deals that protect and advance their own interests," Prasad said."

Good riddance!

This is important; not to mention the Kurds which were left by the US to fend for themselves.

As they have done for centuries, if not thousands of years. They'll be just fine.

Trump is delivering on his promises. Deal with it.

Other countries are starting to look away from the US for leadership. This is a dangerous path the US is on. What says ATS?

I say good riddance to the 'multi-lateral' 'multi-cultural' globalist nut bags in Europe. It looks like a lot of them are on their way out over there too, Trumps rational nationalist leadership is catching on.

MAGA/KAG 2020!!!!

But the boost to the US economy could be at the risk of your children and your children's children because of the environmental impacts due to Trump's decisions. We may end up spending all of this "boost" money and more in order to fix the environmental impacts.

a reply to: lostbook

But the boost to the US economy could be at the risk of your children and your children's children because of the environmental impacts due to Trump's decisions.

Going to be 'environment impacts' no matter who is in charge in Washington unless the economy reverts to something very primitive ... and that isn't going to happen.

In general, trying to make people afraid is not an effective way of pushing any idea. The EU will do what it will do, and the people in charge of the Union aren't particularly concerned with what the little people in the EU want or think.

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: lostbook

But the boost to the US economy could be at the risk of your children and your children's children because of the environmental impacts due to Trump's decisions.

Going to be 'environment impacts' no matter who is in charge in Washington unless the economy reverts to something very primitive ... and that isn't going to happen.
In general, trying to make people afraid is not an effective way of pushing any idea. The EU will do what it will do, and the people in charge of the Union aren't particularly concerned with what the little people in the EU want or think.
Cheers

I agree. However, I believe that while humans most likely aren't the total cause of our potential environmental calamity, I do think humans are accelerating the process to our own environmental demise.

a reply to: lostbook

lostbook, yes, I think humans are contributing to environmental problems. All that plastic in the ocean didn't come about via natural processes.

All I am saying is Trump or no Trump, the activity of modern society in the USA or anywhere else is going to damage the environment in any number of ways. There will be no improvement on that front no matter which political party holds the power in any given country ... unless ALL of humanity changes its behavior. Will that happen anytime soon? Your guess is as good as mine.

Cheers

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: lostbook

lostbook, yes, I think humans are contributing to environmental problems. All that plastic in the ocean didn't come about via natural processes.

All I am saying is Trump or no Trump, the activity of modern society in the USA or anywhere else is going to damage the environment in any number of ways. There will be no improvement on that front no matter which political party holds the power in any given country ... unless ALL of humanity changes its behavior. Will that happen anytime soon? Your guess is as good as mine.

Cheers

I'm not blaming Trump completely because, as you said, Trump isn't the cause of the mess that we're in. However, we, the US, were one of the few countries trying to curb our emissions but now Trump has gotten rid of a lot if not some of the regulations meant to protect us. Now environmental issues may accelerate even faster.

a reply to: lostbook

That happens all over. There is one consistent loser, and that is the environment. Look at Germany. After the Fukushima disaster, Merkel told the atomic power plants in Germany to shut down. Okay. But what happened? Well, Germans still need electricity produced ... so Germany imported more coal to burn in order to produce the electricity.

I suggest, if you are looking at Trump's policies as an accelerator of environmental problems ... they are very likely dwarfed by the activities of countries like China and India. And we all share the same world, so what they do affects us as well.

I suppose the brief way to say all this is, "there are no easy answers". Want to point a finger at Trump for his policies? Go ahead. I prefer to look at a broader view than simply what the USA is doing.

Cheers

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: lostbook

Just part of Trump's 5D chess plan to make American great again. Trump doesn't play 3D chess. Trump plays 5D chess!

Wrong!

Trump only has to play regular chess when all his opponents play checkers.

The NWO has chosen China to be the worlds super power country .. The socialist EU teaming up with the communist China...what a suprise.the a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

originally posted by: lostbook
But the boost to the US economy could be at the risk of your children and your children's children because of the environmental impacts due to Trump's decisions. We may end up spending all of this "boost" money and more in order to fix the environmental impacts.

Yeah... could be... if you buy into the AGW nonsense, which no one with half a brain does.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
a reply to: lostbook

That happens all over. There is one consistent loser, and that is the environment. Look at Germany. After the Fukushima disaster, Merkel told the atomic power plants in Germany to shut down. Okay. But what happened? Well, Germans still need electricity produced ... so Germany imported more coal to burn in order to produce the electricity.

I suggest, if you are looking at Trump's policies as an accelerator of environmental problems ... they are very likely dwarfed by the activities of countries like China and India. And we all share the same world, so what they do affects us as well.

I suppose the brief way to say all this is, "there are no easy answers". Want to point a finger at Trump for his policies? Go ahead. I prefer to look at a broader view than simply what the USA is doing.

Cheers

I'm not saying Trump's policies are the sole reason for any environmental calamity. What I'm saying is that adding the US to the list of global polluters doesn't help. It will only help to accelerate the process.

originally posted by: lostbook
Trump's isolationist policies are leaving us..........well...........isolated!

They are not 'isolationist' policies. They are nationalist policies. He is engaging in fair trade deals that will open up markets. What is isolationist about that??