PROVE Trump is a racist

originally posted by: EvilAxis

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: EvilAxis

I did work it out for myself

So how do you think Trump decided these people were guilty if it wasn't race prejudice?

He wasn't at the scene of the crime, any more than you or I. But somehow he knows they are guilty, and places a big advertisement in the papers saying they should be executed. When eventually the killer confesses, the DNA samples match, and the court finds them innocent, Trump still knows they're guilty.

How do you explain this?

Because there were other people involved with the numerous attacks. Those 5 were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Are you suggesting no one but Trump in the history of the world as heard an incensing story and reacted?

The main thing here is that a you link stories that name CNN as the main source. Yeaaaaaah. Given that information, can you say for certain he was talking about the 5 specifically, or perhaps he was talking about the other people actually involved in those attacks?

a reply to: Wardaddy454

I guess you should have added a little more meat to the question then.

It was a very simple question. Why the need to argue? :-)

My question of the OP is legit - and doesn't require it's own thread

Being Hispanic myself, I know what to look for, because I've dealt with it a time or two.

Interesting. So, you think that because you like Trump he couldn't possible be racist? Do you think it's possible for you yourself to be racist?

Why do some people feel the need to be offended on behalf of others?

Who are you asking? (also: LOL )

Night then Wardaddy - a better reply tomorrow. Maybe

originally posted by: EvilAxis
I suspect in truth he's not virulently racist, just casually, ignorantly so. He knows there's racism out there and is willing to exploit it when it suits him. Which is less forgivable than racism.

Holy mental gymnastics, Batman!

Maybe your issue is that you're overly sensitive, and because you're always looking for racism, you always "find" it.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Wardaddy454

I guess you should have added a little more meat to the question then.

It was a very simple question. Why the need to argue? :-)

My question of the OP is legit - and doesn't require it's own thread

Not a simple question, more like a suggestive question. Which is why you should start your own thread.

In fact, everything you write reads like textbook answers from a psychology course. Why do you feel like this is an argument, and how does that make you feel?

Interesting. So, you think that because you like Trump he couldn't possible be racist? Do you think it's possible for you yourself to be racist?

Why do some people feel the need to be offended on behalf of others?

Who are you asking? (also: LOL )

Night then Wardaddy - a better reply tomorrow. Maybe

According to the left, no, its impossible for me to be racist because I'm a minority. Of course that's BS.

Do you think that everyone of color that supports him are white supremacists? Or too dumb to know better? But I'll ask you this: Why is it you're so transfixed on racism? Guilty conscience? Do you only see color?

And I guess I'm asking you. Why do some white people feel the need to jump to the rescue of minorities over a perceived injustice? To me, that's awfully bigoted.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Are you suggesting no one but Trump in the history of the world as heard an incensing story and reacted?

The world is full of such people. But Trump went much further, spending over 80,000 dollars on adverts in four newspapers accusing 5 black and Latino kids of a crime they didn't commit and calling for their execution.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
The main thing here is that a you link stories that name CNN as the main source. Yeaaaaaah.

I was waiting for the 'fake news' bit. I gave you 4 links, but none to CNN. CNN wasn't the source - Trump was. He published the adverts.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Given that information, can you say for certain he was talking about the 5 specifically, or perhaps he was talking about the other people actually involved in those attacks?

He's made it absolutely clear. He still maintains they're guilty. He offers no evidence, so can't possibly believe it, unless he's totally blinded by prejudice. He won't say he was wrong because that isn't 'winning'.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Swills

It doesn't matter how much evidence we have so we won't show any evidence.

Great tactic.

No, that's not a tactic. Conservatives demanding to be shown proof of Trump's bigotry is ridiculous because there are decades of examples and more so now since he ran for POTUS. If it was a conspiracy theory that Trump is a racist like conservatives, namely Trump, claim Obama was born in Kenya then I would totally agree those making the argument should have to present evidence, of course.

But calling Trump a bigot isn't some far off conspiracy only designed to smear him because partisan politics. It's reality and his base chooses to ignore it, deflect it, or defend it. Demanding proof for something none of you will ever change your minds about is a complete waste of time because no matter how many examples I present you all will "debate" it to the end of time. So what's the point? None of you, the OP most definitely included, aren't looking to reexamine Trump by hearing out an opposing view. All this is a thread designed to dog pile those who don't support Trump.

originally posted by: EvilAxis

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Did he call for their execution because they were black?

You have to work that out for yourself, because he didn't actually say, 'I call for these people to be executed because they are black'. In your calculation I suggest you consider how many white kids he has demanded be executed for a crime they did not commit.

There was also alot more to the story. Dozens of people were assaulted by the teens. Originally there was 10 charged with various degrees of assault. Four of them plead guilty of assault. Now were you aware there was video of your so called innocent people beating Antonio Diaz a 52 year old man carrying home groceries stole his money and left him for dead in the park. They hit him so hard it cracked his skull.

They were not innocent they were falsely accused of the rape however. The attacks occurred between 9 and 10 pm. The rape was hours later and do to lazy police work tried to link it to the other assaults earlier.a the teens confessed to the other assaults but had continually denied the rape. The prosecutor didnt agree with the states decision to remove the assault charges.

Now having lived in New York and been in central park alot i will say my immediate reaction was throw the book at these teenagers. The rape was only a small part of the reason. A gang of teenagers literally went from one side of the park to the other beating robbing and harassing people in the park.

As a former New Yorker ill tell you people get very upset when something happens in central park. Its a place where they go to relax a peaceful place in the midst of a huge city. Someone threatens that peace and New Yorkers will want you dead. Iits not about their skin color its where they committed the crime that was the problem.

Lol...this premise is akin to asking "prove this rock is an apple watch"..who cares if Trump is a racist when he CERTAINLY is the undisputed KING of LIARS and BRAGGARDS. I can remember a time when humility, honesty and intelligence were honorable. Now, we have the worst example of draft dodging scum put forward as admirable....times change.

originally posted by: EvilAxis
I suspect in truth he's not virulently racist, just casually, ignorantly so. He knows there's racism out there and is willing to exploit it when it suits him. Which is less forgivable than racism.

That's exactly how I see it. The guys far to narcissistic and convinced of his own personal superiority to believe one race is more superior than another.

If you listen to interviews of him in his younger days, its kind of obvious that his only real ideology is 'winning' at all costs. He believes theirs two types of people in this world, the winners and the losers... I highly doubt race within itself has much significance in his black and white view of the world.

Having said that, being true to his own ideology, if he thinks he can get ahead (or win) by exploiting the whole race issue to his advantage, then he will not hesitate.

I'm not sure what it would change if someone were to be able to prove he's a racist. I doubt anyone would suddenly stop supporting him except maybe some minorities. I don't think anyone in the trump camp would suddenly reevaluate his positions or what hes done while in office.

Democrats didn't care when Hilary was shown to be corrupt and Republicans wouldn't care if Trump were proved to be racist or corrupt. The two groups are rooting for their team, not making informed decisions.

originally posted by: gortex


How about you prove he's not racist.

Prove you aren't an illegal alien.

originally posted by: EvilAxis

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Are you suggesting no one but Trump in the history of the world as heard an incensing story and reacted?

The world is full of such people. But Trump went much further, spending over 80,000 dollars on adverts in four newspapers accusing 5 black and Latino kids of a crime they didn't commit and calling for their execution.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
The main thing here is that a you link stories that name CNN as the main source. Yeaaaaaah.

I was waiting for the 'fake news' bit. I gave you 4 links, but none to CNN. CNN wasn't the source - Trump was. He published the adverts.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Given that information, can you say for certain he was talking about the 5 specifically, or perhaps he was talking about the other people actually involved in those attacks?

He's made it absolutely clear. He still maintains they're guilty. He offers no evidence, so can't possibly believe it, unless he's totally blinded by prejudice. He won't say he was wrong because that isn't 'winning'.

All those links referenced the CNN interview. Its a point of contention, given CNN's anti-trump rhetoric. The central park 5 present further ammo for that.

And initially, those 5 confessed and implicated eachother. Why would they ever do that?

I found this to be particularly interesting. ETA*** Apparently Wayback Machine and ATS url linking don't play nice.

Here is the site that links to the document in question.

At a parole hearing in 1994, Raymond Santana admitted that he and his friends went to Central Park that night to rob and assault whoever they encountered. The defendant Antron McCray, also at a 1994 parole hearing, admitted to all of his crimes except the rape. In 2002, defendant Raymond Santana and defendant Kevin Richardson admitted to police their participation in the assaults that did not involve the rape. Most notable of the assaults and robberies committed upon several individuals that night were the following: (1) Antonio Diaz, a homeless man, was beaten and left unconscious on the roadway; and (2) John Loughlin, a school teacher, who was jogging that night, was knocked to the ground, kicked, punched and beaten with a stick and a pipe resulting in serious physical injury.

Beyond the incriminating confessions made by defendants, they also made incriminating admissions to investigators and third parties. Among the most damning were admissions, spontaneous utterances, wisecracks and statements to third parties. When viewed within the factual totality of the case, one readily comes to understand the overwhelming nature of the evidence that inexorably establishes the guilt of the defendants. Again, a brief glimpse at some of the corroborative evidence:

(1) In the afternoon of April 20, 1989, prior to his arrest, the defendant Kharey Wise at 110th Street and 5th Avenue saw Ronald Williams and Shabazz Head (two friends of Kharey Wise, later interviewed by the police), and told them to get away from him because the cops were after him. A short time later, Wise saw them again and they asked why the cops were after him. Wise responded, “You heard about that woman that was beat up and raped in the Park last night? That was us!”

(2) The defendant Wise was escorted to Central Park by Assistant D.A. Linda Fairstein and Det. Michael Sheehan. While the defendant was walking toward the spot where the rape occurred, Wise muttered, “Damn, damn, that’s a lot of blood. . . I knew she was bleeding, but I didn’t know how bad she was. It was dark. Couldn’t see how much blood there was at night.”

(3) After the pre-trial hearing, the defendant Wise made a telephone call from Rikers Island to his friend Corey Jackson. Jackson’s 27 year old sister, Melody, answered the phone and after Wise identified himself, she asked him in substance how he could have committed those vicious acts for which he was charged. Wise responded by denying that he raped anyone stating that he “only held her legs down while Kevin #ed her.”

The only additional fact not before the convicting juries is the uncorroborated statement that Reyes alone committed the rape. A former inmate acquaintance of Reyes claims that Reyes told him that the attack on the jogger was already in progress when Reyes joined in attracted by the jogger’s screams.

And this raises an eyebrow.

One of the most pernicious aspects of the jogger case is the position taken by the Manhattan D.A. in securing what must be viewed as the improper vacatur of the convictions of the defendants, obtained in complete disregard of relevant New York precedent. The Manhattan D.A. offered the purely hearsay revelations of Reyes, unsworn and completely undocumented. The fact that Reyes, confirmed by the DNA evidence, was one of the assailants does not answer whether the five defendants were also participants. The identity of a sixth assailant had always been conceded by the Manhattan D.A. when the cases were tried in 1990.

Now, after finding this document, I could see why Trump would stick to his guns. But CNN definitely did a good job trying to paint Trump as a racist using these 5, as it seems to have worked on you.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

And initially, those 5 confessed and implicated eachother. Why would they ever do that?

These were fourteen and fifteen year olds. There was a lot of manipulation of these young people. One kid who was not even there and who only went with his friend to talk to the police wound up being arrested. He was not even there.
They were under represented by court appointed lawyers.

DNA proved they were not the rapists of that poor woman. NOT.... so who cares what they were forced to say.
That doesnt mean a thing. They did NOT do it.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

Not a simple question, more like a suggestive question. Which is why you should start your own thread.

It is suggestive - of course it is. But, it's also a very simple question - as simple as the OP's

It really doesn't require a new thread :-)

In fact, everything you write reads like textbook answers from a psychology course. Why do you feel like this is an argument, and how does that make you feel?

That actually made me giggle :-) This is ATS - I know better, but still. I keep hoping everything doesn't have to be reduced to bickering. Now that you know that - how does it make you feel?

Of course that's BS.

Yes - it absolutely is. It's also possible Trump is a racist - even though you like him and trust him

Why is it you're so transfixed on racism? Guilty conscience? Do you only see color?

This is just you demonstrating that you didn't pay attention to what I was asking - or saying. It's the OP that's hung up on racism. I'm just interested in how we can know one way or the other - and if at this late date it's even important. Racist is a pretty meaningless word at this point

Identity politics is a dangerous game after all - but the right plays it more often than the left does. They just play it differently

Why do some white people feel the need to jump to the rescue of minorities over a perceived injustice? To me, that's awfully bigoted.

Injustice is in the eye of the beholder probably - and we all have our reasons

I'm betting you can't explain to me why standing up for someone's rights would make them a bigot. Please - if you would be so kind - explain

originally posted by: mtnshredder

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Visiting ESB

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Visiting ESB

President Trump skipped Elijah Cummings's funeral!

That enough proof?

LOL, that isn't proof that he's racist. Why would he go to the funeral of one of the biggest liars and criminals in Congress? Anyone in their right mind would have skipped it.

Trump slams a Black Woman today named Kamala Harris.

www.foxnews.com...

Is that racist enough for you?

I’m not sure I’m following your logic. If a white person critiques someone of color they’re automatically racist? I didn’t see anything in the Harris article that would lead someone to believe he was racist.

Point made...folks labeling President Trump as "racist", are themselves, racist. Kamala Harris is a prime example. One of many in the upper-echelons.

originally posted by: carewemust


Point made...folks labeling President Trump as "racist", are themselves, racist. Kamala Harris is a prime example. One of many in the upper-echelons.

????????????

I mean, I think I understa......no no I dont

If someone claims someone to be racists, that means they are racist

So therefore either we are all racist or racisim does not exist, yet in the REAL world not some crazy "I know you are but what am I kindergarden" racism does exist, and can be from any race to any other race, just because someone states someone is racist does not automatically mean they are correct but it certainly does not mean the accuser is racist.

Point scoring political crap is all I see in this thread, forget dealing with a sensitive issue just go lower than your oppositon, its how you win these days

a reply to: UpIsNowDown
If Harris, who is half Indian and half Jamaican (she’s not African American) falsely accuses someone of being racist like Trump, who is white, then yes it’s a form of racism. I think people that spend their life playing a unsubstantiated victim of racial inequality against people of another race or color are indeed racist.

Of course in this case it all depends on if you think Trump is a racist, personally I don’t think he is. MSM has gone to great lengths to paint Trump as a racist and the brainwashed minions have eaten it up because it helps solidify and reinforce their hatred for the man. YMMV

a reply to: Visiting ESB
Leftists will extrapolate to their favor and spin to fit their narrative. Any sane thinking person would never consider President Trump a Racist. On the other hand it does not take a far jump to see most Democrats talking like Marxists.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Wardaddy454

And initially, those 5 confessed and implicated eachother. Why would they ever do that?

These were fourteen and fifteen year olds. There was a lot of manipulation of these young people. One kid who was not even there and who only went with his friend to talk to the police wound up being arrested. He was not even there.
They were under represented by court appointed lawyers.

DNA proved they were not the rapists of that poor woman. NOT.... so who cares what they were forced to say.
That doesnt mean a thing. They did NOT do it.

But they did do everything else that night. By their own admission.

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

It is suggestive - of course it is. But, it's also a very simple question - as simple as the OP's It really doesn't require a new thread :-)

Well, I'm glad you admit to asking a loaded question.

That actually made me giggle :-) This is ATS - I know better, but still. I keep hoping everything doesn't have to be reduced to bickering. Now that you know that - how does it make you feel?

You assume everything is an argument lol, so I guess that makes me feel..sorry for you.

Yes - it absolutely is. It's also possible Trump is a racist - even though you like him and trust him

Ok.

This is just you demonstrating that you didn't pay attention to what I was asking - or saying. It's the OP that's hung up on racism. I'm just interested in how we can know one way or the other - and if at this late date it's even important. Racist is a pretty meaningless word at this point Identity politics is a dangerous game after all - but the right plays it more often than the left does. They just play it differently

You're not interested in anything of the sort. I agree that the term has lost some of its teeth, but its still an effective debate tactic. Want to enlighten me as to how the right plays it?

Injustice is in the eye of the beholder probably - and we all have our reasons I'm betting you can't explain to me why standing up for someone's rights would make them a bigot. Please - if you would be so kind - explain

Well first of all, I didn't say anything about rights, but perceived injustices, in the mind of the beholder as you put it. That you seem unwilling to differentiate between the two is indicative of your disingenuous nature.