Is Iran Strong Enough to Go to War with the U.S.?

a reply to: CanadianMason

They should hire Baghdad Bob, he can inspire confidence in any military about to lose it's oil to us.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: CanadianMason

They should hire Baghdad Bob, he can inspire confidence in any military about to lose it's oil to us.

Tehran Tod?

originally posted by: PokeyJoe
a reply to: CanadianMason

I mean yeah, they are strong enough to ENGAGE us in a war.....that would last about 3 days and then their military would be completely decimated. They can try if they want to though.

Ah, thats why the last time the USA won a war was World War II. Because it´s military is so superiour.

You live and learn.

a reply to: CanadianMason

They have more up to date weapon's and have watched how the US and coalition took on there old rival and nemesis Iraq so will have adjusted there own tactic's accordingly, they have a massive population but that is actually quite divided and some would welcome the US while others would fight to the death against the US.

Due to this it would not be as clean or quick as the Iraq conflict and there is a potential for Russia to supply them with arm's or for Russia to seize the opportunity to put it's own troop's in and take a slice for themselves.

So it would be quick but no where near as quick as Iraq if you are talking about a full military action to topple the regime and place a stable democratic government in power there, also remember most of those that put the current regime in power are still alive and while there is a generation divide with the young wanting more freedom most of those were fighting against what they at that time saw as westernization and the take over of there nation by the west back then - and they were mad mullah's so let's be fair we really should have capitalized on it and sold them black bed sheets as we would have made a killing on the linen trade if we had (Sorry could not resist).

originally posted by: DerBeobachter

originally posted by: PokeyJoe
a reply to: CanadianMason

I mean yeah, they are strong enough to ENGAGE us in a war.....that would last about 3 days and then their military would be completely decimated. They can try if they want to though.

Ah, thats why the last time the USA won a war was World War II. Because it´s military is so superiour.

You live and learn.

Don't mistake military superiority for political, or citizen will.

Of course you know the difference, but being a hater, you just can't admit reality.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: CanadianMason

They have more up to date weapon's and have watched how the US and coalition took on there old rival and nemesis Iraq so will have adjusted there own tactic's accordingly, they have a massive population but that is actually quite divided and some would welcome the US while others would fight to the death against the US.

Due to this it would not be as clean or quick as the Iraq conflict and there is a potential for Russia to supply them with arm's or for Russia to seize the opportunity to put it's own troop's in and take a slice for themselves.

So it would be quick but no where near as quick as Iraq if you are talking about a full military action to topple the regime and place a stable democratic government in power there, also remember most of those that put the current regime in power are still alive and while there is a generation divide with the young wanting more freedom most of those were fighting against what they at that time saw as westernization and the take over of there nation by the west back then - and they were mad mullah's so let's be fair we really should have capitalized on it and sold them black bed sheets as we would have made a killing on the linen trade if we had (Sorry could not resist).

Are you under the impression we haven't modernized in the last 25 yrs?

originally posted by: Pluginn
No because of those sanctions, they ain't allowed to sell anything basically or even buy. Other country's which igonore those US sanctions put in place will be punished as well

Iran still sells its oil to China and India. Never really sold much of anything to the Great Satan, America.

Iran needs to stop trying to build nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them, then sanctions will be lifted. Why is that concept so difficult to grasp?

Either way, the Iranian dictatorship is in its final years, sanctions or not.

a reply to: face23785

This is great how people keep bringing up Iraq. Find one administration official who is advocating for invading Iran right now. I'll wait.

We all know who's advocating war , becase they're not doing it in public doesn't mean they aren't doing it.

Limited strikes and an invasion are completely different things.

Limited strikes are only limited as long as there's no response , I wouldn't bank on no response.

This is the kind of thing you might not understand if you get your info from sources I just explained to you are shoddy at best.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Pluginn
No because of those sanctions, they ain't allowed to sell anything basically or even buy. Other country's which igonore those US sanctions put in place will be punished as well

Iran still sells its oil to China and India. Never really sold much of anything to the Great Satan, America.

Iran needs to stop trying to build nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them, then sanctions will be lifted. Why is that concept so difficult to grasp?

Either way, the Iranian dictatorship is in its final years, sanctions or not.

Yes they do, but for how long, surely China (also India (just google it if you don't know) as you see already being attacked by the US because they don't follow US rules as easy as most of the EU still does, but hey the EU leaders are stupid and still live in this fairy tail ever since ww2 where the US is our prime example?

The same thing with Russia, when being in the way with US foreign policy you are the enemy as well for sure sooner or later. The US doesn't care about ISIS/terrorists they are the master plan behind it, doing the dirty job for them or at least they hope and calling them moderate rebels & even funding and arming them (then it's a good thing). Ok the EU did the same funding there as well.. and supported the wars against those country's in the ME, but yea the EU stupid and following mostly the US still..

Russia was and is a big problem with regime change in Syria / US interests and look ever since the propaganda against Russia happened.
So china is in the way as well + the US got big spending problems... just tax those products coming from there your people in the US just pay more and say it's a good thing even. You people are lazy & fat and costing tons of money when being used for making products, of course you can't compete.
Sure workers in China are cheap payed but work hard, let alone fat.

a reply to: JDmOKI

There's really no good reason to "hold any ground" in Iran.

The problem is the leadership, the military and a lot of the people. The other problem is their nuclear research.

Simple solution: Nuke the nuclear development sites into the stone age, then......
Nuke Tehran and turn it into a depopulated sea of glass.

Problem solved for another 1000 years.

originally posted by: PokeyJoe
a reply to: CanadianMason

I mean yeah, they are strong enough to ENGAGE us in a war.....that would last about 3 days and then their military would be completely decimated. They can try if they want to though.

Compare Iran to Iraq. If the United States and Iran were to engage in a conflict, how would it compare to the invasion of Iraq many, many years ago?

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Pluginn
No because of those sanctions, they ain't allowed to sell anything basically or even buy. Other country's which igonore those US sanctions put in place will be punished as well

Iran still sells its oil to China and India. Never really sold much of anything to the Great Satan, America.

Iran needs to stop trying to build nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them, then sanctions will be lifted. Why is that concept so difficult to grasp?

Either way, the Iranian dictatorship is in its final years, sanctions or not.

You are wrong about India.

Here:

US deadline ends, India stops purchasing Iranian oil

As of late April, India had dropped its dependency on Iranian oil from about 2.5 billion tonnes a month to 1 million tonnes a month.

India has stopped importing oil from Iran after American waivers granted to eight buyers expired early this month, New Delhi's envoy here has said, becoming the latest country to comply with the US sanctions on Tehran over its nuclear programme.

Indian Ambassador to the US, Harsh Vardhan Shringla said India has also ended oil import from Venezuela despite feeling the pinch.

The US in January imposed sanctions on Venezuela's most important global business - producing and selling .. - producing and selling crude oil - as the Trump administration ratcheted up its bid to force socialist president Nicolas Maduro out of power.

The US reimposed sanctions on Iran in November after pulling out of a 2015 nuclear accord between Tehran and six world powers. To reduce Iran's crude oil export to zero, the US ended on May 2 waivers that had allowed the top buyers of Iranian oil, including India, to continue their imports for six months.

Shringla said India has stopped mporting oil from Iran after the United States refused to extend exemption from sanctions earlier this month.

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/69475495.cms?from=mdr&utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

India even tried to extend its exemption from the ban, but the United States refused. Imagine that.

a reply to: CanadianMason

If they believe in martyrdom then I can't see them not obliterating pieces of the middle east should they continue down the nuclear road...

a reply to: PokeyJoe

.....that would last about 3 days and then their military would be completely decimated.

It took the US four days to beat Grenada.....just saying.

I seem to have heard all this before....look at Vietnam, look at Iraq, look at Afghanistan.

Why is it people always fall for the same old #e time and time again?
FFS its not as if most of us have to read history books to learn about this sort of stuff....we've lived through it, several #ing times.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: CanadianMason

Iran is strong enough to go to war with the US , they are ranked 14th of the 137 countries ranked in the Global Firepower review.
www.globalfirepower.com...

For perspective

Iraq had the fourth largest standing army in the world before Desert Storm.

I don’t think things went exactly the way Saddam wanted .

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: CanadianMason

i'm not clear as to why the u.s. wants to go into iran in the first place.

I don't beleive most, in elected office, "want to go into IRAN". There are some warmongers, like Bolton, who have that mindset.

What most in the US don't want, is Iran to have nuclear weapons. We also don't want them screwing with oil prices, or supply on the world market, by closing the straight of Hormuz.

Then there is the fact that they are believed to be a sponsor of terrorism around the globe.

Not saying I buy all of it, or not, but that is the premise of the hostilities, as I understand it.

thank you

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

from your source

India had dropped its dependency on Iranian oil from about 2.5 billion tonnes a month to 1 million tonnes a month

I would question those figures - a tonne is bigger than a barrel - so 2.5 billion really???

Total worldwide consumption of oil is about 93 million barrels a day

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: CanadianMason

They are strong enough to engage. Just not strong enough to win that engagement.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

I know, Iraq kicked our ass, and I think the US suffered 10x the casualties as the Vietnamese.

iran probably won't resist for the most part and only small pockets of those loyal to the leadership will put up a fight, the heaviest resistance will probably come from the republican guard. idealism is weak when your enemy shows mercy and isn't threatening your people with extermination or the destruction of your nation, in the end people won't fight if they don't need to, and will turn against the leadership, even turn them in themselves.

morale matters more than any technology, tactic or strategy, that is why in both iraq wars most soldiers surrendered without fighting, most humans hate fighting unless there's a reason or they hold a significant advantage and honor, religion, idealism and all that isn't such a reason for most people.

it'll be much like iraq, a lot of surrendering, and some resistance that will worsen after the conventional forces are destroyed, but this time we won't have to deal with foreign supported terrorists as we did in the occupation of iraq when iran was interfering, maybe some but nowhere near what iran supporting them allowed.