Is Iran Strong Enough to Go to War with the U.S.?

The Iranian Navy will be sunk in their harbors.

Their missile sites will be bombed and reduced to rubble.

The Iranian Army will invade Iraq and get leveled.

The Iranian Air Force will get shot out of the skies.

Anything else ? 😎

originally posted by: Mach2

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: CanadianMason

They have more up to date weapon's and have watched how the US and coalition took on there old rival and nemesis Iraq so will have adjusted there own tactic's accordingly, they have a massive population but that is actually quite divided and some would welcome the US while others would fight to the death against the US.

Due to this it would not be as clean or quick as the Iraq conflict and there is a potential for Russia to supply them with arm's or for Russia to seize the opportunity to put it's own troop's in and take a slice for themselves.

So it would be quick but no where near as quick as Iraq if you are talking about a full military action to topple the regime and place a stable democratic government in power there, also remember most of those that put the current regime in power are still alive and while there is a generation divide with the young wanting more freedom most of those were fighting against what they at that time saw as westernization and the take over of there nation by the west back then - and they were mad mullah's so let's be fair we really should have capitalized on it and sold them black bed sheets as we would have made a killing on the linen trade if we had (Sorry could not resist).

Are you under the impression we haven't modernized in the last 25 yrs?

Hang on there Mach are you speaking for the Yank's or the Persians.

Both sides have modernized more than they ever were but the disparity, unless the US finally chooses to let the cat out of the bag and use some of it's non public weapon system's (which if they did would give them Iran in a matter or hours at most but given that they have not so far used them anywhere and are sitting on them so as not to let other's know what they really have makes it unlikely that the US will ever get around to using some of it's far better systems which even most of you in it's forces know nothing about), is actually far less than it was between the coalition/US and the Iraqi's.
Here is a very public page with a breakdown of there known weapon system's.
en.wikipedia.org...
www.globalfirepower.com...

But it does not end there unlike there Iraqi cousin's (nemesis of old) the current Iranian economy includes up to date production facility's, car manufacturing and domestic weapon's production which is at least as advanced as the best there neighbors the Pakistani's have and probably far ahead of them, a population of 81 million gives it a large consumer base - of course not as rich as the west but population size comparable to most western nation's and nearly a third that of the size of US population, Iraq by contrast post war has about half as many people as Iran has and they are poorer.

Now IF the US was to use some of it's NOT PUBLIC toy's then like I say hours but in a conventional war using only conventional weapon's and recent developments in them unless the Iranian population is first demoralized and it's military is also demoralized (the Iraqi's often did not even have boot's and were illiterate while the Iranian's are educated to there national standard and are well equipped) a conventional war with Iran could end up lasting month's or even years if they resort to asymmetric warfare as well as turning the nation into a new hotbed for other factions of the Islamic world and opening that old can of worm's again.

Remember that the Iranian government has brainwashed it's people repeatedly and constantly like the North Korean's have there's to hate the US and Britain (Still enough of them blighters come to live in our nation's regardless).

At one time we Brit's had an extensive network in Iran and likely still do - teachers need not apply that girl is just a scapegoat for there hatred, the US probably has it's own network and shares intel with us on that as well since these day's your nation is probably the one paying for both of these network's and after all unofficially you really own GCHQ or at least a lot of the sweet equipment they have, of course it is for surveillance of your own nation as well as enemy's since a little loophole allows you to have friend's spy on your people for you.

Tech date wise - conventional the Iranian's are probably up to 30 years behind the US on high tech weapon systems and in some cases not even on the starting line but that is a rough guess and likely they have some very sweet but still not as good toy's courtesy of the Russian's.


But objectively the Modern superpower would take out the ancient one time superpower of the classical world in short order if push came to shove, barring unexpected allies and escalation as anything can happen in such a circumstance especially in that particular area so close to Russia's own borders and with there already great animosity toward being further encircles by US bases and US controlled/proxy states and even though they do not see eye to eye with the Persian's on many matters they do trade with them - and were an important avenue of trade for them dating back into the soviet period even though back then a US friendly Shah sat on the throne of Persia.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: CanadianMason

Why is war with the Iran the first and only option??????

Iran wants full scale war.

Their economy is floundering 🎱

a reply to: oldcarpy

There is a difference between "full scale war" and "confrontation"?

The limpet mines were a confrontation, they just don't want anyone to know that it came from them. I guess that's all they're prepared for?!

a reply to: xuenchen

That is correct, war may in the event actually be unnecessary as the Iranian people themselves may bring to an end the current regime - though perhaps they could do with a little outside help.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Production? Factories? How long do you expect those to survive?

originally posted by: xuenchen
The Iranian Navy will be sunk in their harbors.

Their missile sites will be bombed and reduced to rubble.

The Iranian Army will invade Iraq and get leveled.

The Iranian Air Force will get shot out of the skies.

Anything else ? 😎

That all sounds incredibly expensive... I'd be a little concerned if I were a US taxpayer.

Just saying...

a reply to: CanadianMason

President Trump Today .........


"Iran's very ignorant and insulting statement, put out today, only shows that they do not understand reality. Any attack by Iran on anything American will be met with great and overwhelming force."


Translation - We Will CRUSH you and Remove your Government from Power if you EVER Eff with Anything American Again . He Means it , We All know that .....

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

NOT very long at all BUT it mean's that they likely have large stockpiles and many of them, given that they have seen how Saddam's bunkers failed him they have probably gone deeper as well and made more of them so it may become a game of wack'a'mole for a time, of course if they have made the mistake of too few exit's and/or not used enough pressure door's then it will probably only take one wack per hole.

It all depend's on scale of action, is the US going to go for a quantitative or a qualitative victory (and yes the US and we it's allies have both) and how fast will they want that war over, will it be a neat surgical removal of the regime or a full scale take over to plant a friendly government there perhaps with permanent bases as a result.

Still I doubt much of the Iranian infrastructure would survive and EMP attack and the US has plenty of non nuclear EMP devices it could use some of them to take out that nation's entire power grid, military and civil radar and communication system's the work's, this would facilitate public unrest and lead to likely internal clashes as the regime lost control of it's region's some of which are actually very unfriendly to the regime with Iranian secret and religious police suppressing current populist desire to once again become westernized as many of the young AND the old alike look back at what the Shah was trying to do for there nation with somewhat rose tinted spectacles after the years of forced Shariah law shoved down there throat's - once with there consent but now not so much I suspect, however this does not mean they would be friendly to western forces when in fact they actually very much want to take back there OWN nation.

Still I would rather that military action be taken swiftly if the Iranian's are anywhere near to completing a bomb as they if any state in the middle east is likely to would be the one's to then actually use it.


Just remember the Iranian's have been brainwashed for decades into seeing the western power's OLD and NEW as there enemy, even those that want to be westernized do not want us to be in charge of them and that mean's that our presence would not be popular, far less so than in Iraq were many factions saw the western coalition as liberators.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: xuenchen
The Iranian Navy will be sunk in their harbors.

Their missile sites will be bombed and reduced to rubble.

The Iranian Army will invade Iraq and get leveled.

The Iranian Air Force will get shot out of the skies.

Anything else ? 😎

That all sounds incredibly expensive... I'd be a little concerned if I were a US taxpayer.

Just saying...

I and most others ARE concerned 😬

Just saying back...

a reply to: LABTECH767

Iraq had weapons. They just had no soldiers after they all turned themselves in and surrendered. Iraqis were probably more brainwashed if anything, there are Iranians who remember their freedoms they once had still alive.

a reply to: LABTECH767

What we saw in the first gulf war, like the precision guided munitions seemed like our cutting edge tech to most, but I assur you we were at least 2 levels beyond that, at the time.

Likewise, whatever we were to unleash today, whether it be cyber, satellite, or whatever will be a couple levels below cutting edge, as well.

They cant deal with the stuff thats common knowledge, like the F-35, let alone the things that would come as a surprise.

There's no way we reveal our top tech to hit a speedbump like Iran.

The reality is we have to exorcise restraint, because most ppl are not in favor of indiscriminate killing of civilians, women, children etc.

After 72 hours it will be a Turkey shoot. US has no need for ground Invasion, which would be nasty. Only need to bomb them to Stone Age.

a reply to: Mach2
You are right and we used up stuff that was growing rust from Cold War days in the Iraq war.

originally posted by: Xeven
After 72 hours it will be a Turkey shoot.

I highly doubt it. It took 21 days for the US to call victory during the last Iraqi invasion.

After that, it took endless billions of dollars, many years and a whole lot of US & ally troops lives to ensure the region didn't fall into full blown anarchy.

Then, if you consider the fact that Iran are a far more formidable opponent, who unlike Iraq, have friends and capabilities that stretch far beyond their own borders... you start to realize what a messy and idiotic situation it would be for any country to voluntarily put themselves into.

originally posted by: F4guy

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: CanadianMason

Iran is strong enough to go to war with the US , they are ranked 14th of the 137 countries ranked in the Global Firepower review.
www.globalfirepower.com...

And Saddam's Iraq was listed 3rd , once upon a time
That dropped down considerably after the first few hours.
USAF turned Iraq into the world's only million hole golf course.

Your golf course has cost over 4,000 American lives and 32,000 wounded, and they are still dying there (8 so far in 2019.) That is a pretty high greens fee. It has taken 16 years of blood and money (1.7 Trillion so far plus up to 6 Trillion in future veterans payments in the future.)

And , why bring this up ?
It is off-topic .
The reply was to another post from another person , who had stated Iran's army was what , 47th or so ?
Saddam's army was ranked either 3rd or 4th depending on where one looked

I feel your post was just another anti-US post you managed to squeak in
(It was)
Nothing to do with the thread at all
I will add
Perhaps the US will go in and find those Loon Mullahs deep in their hidey-hole , drag em out by the hair of their heads , and give em to the Iranian people.
Will their end be dignified like Hussein , or gross like Gaddafi (too rough for TV) ?

originally posted by: Xeven
After 72 hours it will be a Turkey shoot. US has no need for ground Invasion, which would be nasty. Only need to bomb them to Stone Age.

And just leave the nuclear fule rods and powerplant

War with Iran could quickly turn into the worst nuclear disaster/attack ever in human history

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: CanadianMason

Why is war with the Iran the first and only option??????

Iran wants full scale war.

Their economy is floundering 🎱

I have my Popcorn machine prepped and ready.....I would be interested in seeing how quickly India would wipe Iran out.....Iran is a thorn in everyones side and history has shown that as long as they are playing the same olde BS song and dance with the USA NO ONE ELSE EVER TAKES THEM TO TASK FOR DAMAGES IRANS ACTIONS HAVE DONE TO THEIR OWN COUNTRY....Iran has used the commotion surrounding their issues with the USA to DODGE AND AVOID BEING CUT DOWN TO SIZE by other concerned Countries with needs much more urgent than Americas...America will have acess to Canadian Oil till oil becomes irrelevant....its the rest of the oil starved world that now needs to shut Iran TFU......I see India storming in now...and methinks they would pretty much wipe out Iran and occupy it maybe permanently if they could suck Iran into a Globally accepted war..

a reply to: Jesushere

Um yeah see those missiles Iran has that can kill a carrier lol.. require them to be within range of them first. the USN isnt stupid enough to try engaging them on day one within striking distance of those and the GPS satellites being knocked out that Iran uses as well.

The SAMS apparently are easily knocked offline by cyber attack since trump recently did that as retaliation for the Drone. And to be honest the S-300 can be easily killed by the f-22/f-35 weapons since they can get within 60 nm of them before registering as a attacker.

Iran has real military firepower; but it cannot project force to reach America. The US CAN project force to the cities and farms of Iran.

The worlds oceans are the commons for all nations. And the USA controls the commons. America is first and foremost a naval power. It has 17 "official aircraft carriers" of a world total of about 30.

The Iranian navy is not to be sneezed at, and has been building a force of conventional submarines that puts it on a par with the superpowers---in the Persian Gulf. But just as Russia is trapped by the Danish straights in the baltic, and the bosphorous of Turkey, so too the Iranians are largely choked by the bottleneck of Hormuz.

The American military / intel has effectively occupied EVERY ONE of Iran's neighbors except China, which only has a 12-mile border with Iran. Iran is literally surrounded by US ground troops.


The Iranians are succeptible to US attack because they are a modern, industrialized state. They have factories and shopping malls and power plants that are vulnerable. Iraq in 1990 could revert to the Stone Age far better than Iran can in 2019.


The supreme leader, like Kim Jun ill, is convinced that the USA will not use force.

That's all he needs to know. He can talk smack all day long, and call us "retards" (as he did this morning) without consequence. It's all a bluster to get the EU to ignore the US embargo. That is all.