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Brussels tells Theresa May - delaying Brexit will cost UK £10bn
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: ufoorbhunter
If scottish is made up then how do you explain the people called the Scots who came to ALBA and conquered it thus renaming it Scotland !
The Britons are no more , British is made up to by your logic
I don't believe it pure and simple. Scots is an ethno religious injvention like all groups of human apes make up, no such thing as a Scot at all it is all made up, an invention that does very little for the people apart from making up something to draw in the tourists from America looking for their supposed ancestral home. Indeed if you want your real supposed Scot you're much more likely to find them In Canada, New Zealand USA etc, the real Scot was sent abroad by London and replaced wit Anglos, Irish, Asians, Hugenpouts, Jews escaping England, Norwegians, Poles, you name it. It's all an invention Sapien just like all other monkey business from humanity.
a reply to: Flavian
Oh hey probably for another thread but seen this
waiting to see the peer reviewed journal on the findings , but looks like 1 in 10 men are descended from the Picts
through these haplo gene markers
and that these markers are more prevalent in men with scottish grandfathers than those with english grandfathers!
pretty interesting stuff if true !
One in ten scots men decended from Picts
and this yin as well pretty interesting
Scottish lecturer grandfather of britain
Probably should be another thread but I was excited to share it with you! as its quite fascinating
Oh hey probably for another thread but seen this
waiting to see the peer reviewed journal on the findings , but looks like 1 in 10 men are descended from the Picts
through these haplo gene markers
and that these markers are more prevalent in men with scottish grandfathers than those with english grandfathers!
pretty interesting stuff if true !
One in ten scots men decended from Picts
and this yin as well pretty interesting
Scottish lecturer grandfather of britain
Probably should be another thread but I was excited to share it with you! as its quite fascinating
a reply to: ufoorbhunter
Ok so if its all just invention then it doesnt #ing matter, so Im not british !
yaay ! revelations abound
Ok so if its all just invention then it doesnt #ing matter, so Im not british !
yaay ! revelations abound
a reply to: sapien82
I'm all for devolved power to all the individual nations and regions of the UK within some sort of Federal framework as in Australia, Canada etc.
As you know I firmly believe our current electoral and parliamentary processes are no longer fit for purpose and urgent and radical reform is required.
In addition we should also rid ourselves of the political elite and establishment that seek to maintain their control and manipulation of the British people.
Whilst we are at it I can't see why we wouldn't abolish the monarchy if that's what the majority want.
The Federal States of Great Britain sounds good.
But they are the only one's repeatedly mentioned and demonised here on ATS.
But many people do.....
Yes, I saw that in one of your posts after I posted.
Not many Scots dare acknowledge that.
In fact I doubt The British Empire would have been anywhere near as 'successful' as it was without the active involvement of people from all its constituent parts.
I know you disagree but The British Empire was also responsible for a lot of good as well.
A topic for deeper discussion in another thread I think.
Bollocks to Royalty and establishment etc....there is more that unites the ordinary, everyday people of this Union than what there is that divides us.
And we are far, far stronger together than we are divided.
I feel absolutely no allegiance to the establishment and elites of the UK but I feel a deep bond to the people....and it is that deep bond that makes us British.
On this we must disagree.....being one is not exclusive of being the other.
For you maybe....but for many it is.
I'm all for devolved power to all the individual nations and regions of the UK within some sort of Federal framework as in Australia, Canada etc.
As you know I firmly believe our current electoral and parliamentary processes are no longer fit for purpose and urgent and radical reform is required.
In addition we should also rid ourselves of the political elite and establishment that seek to maintain their control and manipulation of the British people.
Whilst we are at it I can't see why we wouldn't abolish the monarchy if that's what the majority want.
The Federal States of Great Britain sounds good.
..... the British were not the only ones demonised.....
But they are the only one's repeatedly mentioned and demonised here on ATS.
I never said once that im blaming people today for actions of the past, that is ridiculous
But many people do.....
I also pointed out that there were huge benefits from the empire to Scotland , many merchants profited from that abuse !
Yes, I saw that in one of your posts after I posted.
Not many Scots dare acknowledge that.
In fact I doubt The British Empire would have been anywhere near as 'successful' as it was without the active involvement of people from all its constituent parts.
I know you disagree but The British Empire was also responsible for a lot of good as well.
A topic for deeper discussion in another thread I think.
I dont hate the English , the Welsh, the Irish , or anyone else in the UK , I just dislike people supporting the Idea of being "British" because simply put none of us are "British"
Bollocks to Royalty and establishment etc....there is more that unites the ordinary, everyday people of this Union than what there is that divides us.
And we are far, far stronger together than we are divided.
I feel absolutely no allegiance to the establishment and elites of the UK but I feel a deep bond to the people....and it is that deep bond that makes us British.
You are either English, Irish , Welsh , or Scottish , but not British in any sense of the word !
On this we must disagree.....being one is not exclusive of being the other.
.... and my anti Britishness is not Anti English!
For you maybe....but for many it is.
edit on 21/11/18 by Freeborn because: (no reason given)
a reply to: Freeborn
I heavily agree with your ideas on new government !
we always see eye to eye on that !
Aye I know we did a lot of good , but at what cost ?
if one thing we made it possible for the majority of the world to communicate with each other
and we also ushered in the modern world like no other nation!
There are many great things Britain did , was the "great " self imposed or did we earn it ?
but I just think its time to move on from those ideals , its old hat!
Cant we move forward and away from the past , still remember where we came from and forge new alliances
and new ways of thinking !
Maybe become the EPIC Britain or something greater than great !
I heavily agree with your ideas on new government !
we always see eye to eye on that !
Aye I know we did a lot of good , but at what cost ?
if one thing we made it possible for the majority of the world to communicate with each other
and we also ushered in the modern world like no other nation!
There are many great things Britain did , was the "great " self imposed or did we earn it ?
but I just think its time to move on from those ideals , its old hat!
Cant we move forward and away from the past , still remember where we came from and forge new alliances
and new ways of thinking !
Maybe become the EPIC Britain or something greater than great !
originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Flavian
but, staying in will not be ok.
as i write the foreign and commonwealth office is pressing forward with its intergration of all branches of our armed services into the european army due to be complete by the end of next year.
the army will start intergrating with the police as is already happening and central command and control will be in brussels.
we will then cease to be a sovereign state with no independant forces.
the party whips are silencing m.p.s on both sides of the house and this is why May must hang on to see this through for her financial masters.
an actual act of treason, by that fifth column the pro europe civil service.
this also implies the queen has betrayed her parlimentry oaths to act in the best interests of her subjects, a de facto declaration of war on the british people through the crown corporation.
the implications of this are clear to anyone who remembers the soviet.
stasi anyone?
spread the word because it appears we are to be silenced until we are signed over next year.
www.ukcolumn.org...
www.ukcolumn.org...
Glad you posted this, as it removes any danger of people actually taking you seriously.
a reply to: ScepticScot
because you think its not real?
so you'll be able to debunk it quite easily then!
what have you to say for yourself then?
coherently this time please
veteransforbritain.uk...
theres a link for you.
it should make debunking it all that much easier unless of course you are just a shill.
because you think its not real?
so you'll be able to debunk it quite easily then!
what have you to say for yourself then?
coherently this time please
edit on 21-11-2018 by username74 because: (no reason given)
veteransforbritain.uk...
theres a link for you.
it should make debunking it all that much easier unless of course you are just a shill.
edit on 21-11-2018 by username74 because: (no reason given)
You are the one making the claims so you need to provide the evidence.
Let's start with your first one. Where (specifically please) is your evidence that :
the foreign and commonwealth office is pressing forward with its intergration of all branches of our armed services into the european army due to be complete by the end of next year.
the army will start intergrating with the police as is already happening and central command and control will be in brussels.
Let's start with your first one. Where (specifically please) is your evidence that :
the foreign and commonwealth office is pressing forward with its intergration of all branches of our armed services into the european army due to be complete by the end of next year.
the army will start intergrating with the police as is already happening and central command and control will be in brussels.
a reply to: ScepticScot
click on the links, read and stop being ignorant.
heres another
www.rt.com...
click on the links, read and stop being ignorant.
heres another
www.rt.com...
originally posted by: username74
a reply to: ScepticScot
click on the links, read and stop being ignorant.
heres another
www.rt.com...
So evidence for your claim that the UK military is going to integrate with an EU army by the end of next year, is an rt article quoting the defence minister specifically rejecting UK integration into a EU army?
Again I find myself asking do you actually read your own links?
a reply to: ScepticScot
didnt read the other links then.
what are you doing here, you dont seem to be very good at parsing information.
the timestamps on your posts show me you dont read further than the title if you begin to experience cognitive dissonance.
veteransforbritain.uk...
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk...[edi tby]edit on 21-11-2018 by username74 because: (no reason given)
didnt read the other links then.
what are you doing here, you dont seem to be very good at parsing information.
the timestamps on your posts show me you dont read further than the title if you begin to experience cognitive dissonance.
veteransforbritain.uk...
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk...[edi tby]edit on 21-11-2018 by username74 because: (no reason given)
edit on 21-11-2018 by ScepticScot because: (no reason given)
Will try again as quote went weird...
Apparently read them more than you.
Where on.your links dies it back up your claim and what evidence is offered?
Specifically please.
edit on 21-11-2018 by ScepticScot because: (no reason given)
a reply to: ScepticScot
did it again eh? lol.
i ve looked at your other posts and you have no input, you dont back any of comments up.
no links, only superficial scanning of other peoples research.
you just throw # at people.
information is made available to you but you dont care to investigate.
you dont even care that your homeland is possibly being annexed.
so shed nae tears wee man!
i'll leave you with a quote.
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!” Samuel Adams (American patriot and Politician of the American Revolution. 1722-1803)
did it again eh? lol.
i ve looked at your other posts and you have no input, you dont back any of comments up.
no links, only superficial scanning of other peoples research.
you just throw # at people.
information is made available to you but you dont care to investigate.
you dont even care that your homeland is possibly being annexed.
so shed nae tears wee man!
i'll leave you with a quote.
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!” Samuel Adams (American patriot and Politician of the American Revolution. 1722-1803)
edit on 21-11-2018 by username74 because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: username74
a reply to: ScepticScot
did it again eh? lol.
Let's make this really easy for you and deal wth one part of your claims. Should be really easy for you to source.
Where is the evidence that the UK military will be integrated into the EU army by the end if next year?
a reply to: ScepticScot
want me to read it to you as well?
3. Today, following the successful implementation of the measures announced
at the Lancaster House Summit in 2010 and at subsequent Summits, our
Armed Forces have reached an unprecedented level of integration. Since the
last Summit, at Amiens in March 2016, our Armed Forces have been working
increasingly closely together. This has included:
• Strengthened maritime cooperation in the Channel and the Atlantic,
including French Atlantique 2 maritime patrol aircraft periodically operating
from RAF Lossiemouth in Scotland, and the closer integration of our national
air defence forces, in response to increased security challenges
• During 2017, a French Armoured Infantry Company forming part of the UKled
NATO enhanced Forward Presence Battle Group in Estonia;
• Working closely together as leading members of the international coalition
against Daesh in Syria and Northern Iraq, including provision of ISR and airto-air
refuelling. British and French fast-jet pilots serving as exchange officers
have flown on combat missions;
• Supporting each other in providing humanitarian relief in the Caribbean
following Hurricane Irma, including the UK providing a C17 to fly French
emergency supplies into theatre and the French providing imagery intelligence
to the UK;
• Our Navies operating increasingly closely around the world, including: RN
ships acting as escorts to the Charles de Gaulle and French Navy ships to
HMS Ocean in the Arabian Gulf; joint command of Coalition Task Force 150
in 2017 providing maritime security in the Southern Red Sea, Arabian Sea and
off the Horn of Africa; the launch of improved maritime notification
arrangements to improve the security of merchant shipping in the Gulf of
Guinea; and UK helicopters deploying to the Indian Ocean and Far East in
2017 as part of the French Jeanne d’Arc task force;
• The appointment of British and French Brigadiers as deputy commanders of
1(FR) Division in Besançon, and 1(UK) Division in York respectively,
including a period when Brigadier Hervé Bizeul served as acting commander
of 1(UK) Division; and
• The UK providing continuing Strategic Transport flights in support to
French operations in Africa.
4. We also delivered full validation of the Combined Joint Expeditionary
Force (CJEF) concept in 2016 following the bilateral Exercise Griffin Strike
in the UK, involving over 5,000 UK and French military personnel. Since
then the CJEF has been available for operations up to Peace Enforcement
should that be necessary.
5. In the capabilities area, we largely completed feasibility work on the Future
Combat Air System project; made significant progress under the One
Complex Weapon programme, including the first successful test firings in
2017 of the Sea Venom/ANL anti-ship missile project announced at the 2014
Brize Norton Summit, launch of the concept phase for the Future Cruise/AntiShip
Weapon in March 2017, and signature, ratification and entry into force
of the Inter-Governmental Agreement on complex weapons enabling MBDA
to establish centres of excellence in France and the UK; and launched the
demonstration phase of our joint Maritime Mine Counter-Measures project.
6. In this context, we have agreed on the continuing importance of United
Kingdom defence to the stability of the multilateral order including its
contribution to European defence and security, and of the ability of UK
defence industry to continue to be able to engage in European defence
research and capability development programmes under arrangements to be
defined at the European level and in other relevant formats.
7. Building on these developments, we are now planning to take forward a
coherent programme of further policy, military and capability cooperation
over the coming years:
• Our new Defence Ministerial Council will meet regularly (envisaged as three
meetings a year) to provide strategic oversight and direction of the bilateral
defence relationship. This will be supported by an enhanced defence policy
dialogue;
• We will achieve Full Operating Capability for the Combined Joint
Expeditionary Force in 2020, supported by a coherent coordinated joint
CJEF exercise programme and wide-ranging specialist engagement. This will
give us the ability to deploy a CJEF across the full range of missions
envisaged at Lancaster House in 2010, up to and including crisis management
operation involving early entry in a potentially hostile territory at range;
want me to read it to you as well?
3. Today, following the successful implementation of the measures announced
at the Lancaster House Summit in 2010 and at subsequent Summits, our
Armed Forces have reached an unprecedented level of integration. Since the
last Summit, at Amiens in March 2016, our Armed Forces have been working
increasingly closely together. This has included:
• Strengthened maritime cooperation in the Channel and the Atlantic,
including French Atlantique 2 maritime patrol aircraft periodically operating
from RAF Lossiemouth in Scotland, and the closer integration of our national
air defence forces, in response to increased security challenges
• During 2017, a French Armoured Infantry Company forming part of the UKled
NATO enhanced Forward Presence Battle Group in Estonia;
• Working closely together as leading members of the international coalition
against Daesh in Syria and Northern Iraq, including provision of ISR and airto-air
refuelling. British and French fast-jet pilots serving as exchange officers
have flown on combat missions;
• Supporting each other in providing humanitarian relief in the Caribbean
following Hurricane Irma, including the UK providing a C17 to fly French
emergency supplies into theatre and the French providing imagery intelligence
to the UK;
• Our Navies operating increasingly closely around the world, including: RN
ships acting as escorts to the Charles de Gaulle and French Navy ships to
HMS Ocean in the Arabian Gulf; joint command of Coalition Task Force 150
in 2017 providing maritime security in the Southern Red Sea, Arabian Sea and
off the Horn of Africa; the launch of improved maritime notification
arrangements to improve the security of merchant shipping in the Gulf of
Guinea; and UK helicopters deploying to the Indian Ocean and Far East in
2017 as part of the French Jeanne d’Arc task force;
• The appointment of British and French Brigadiers as deputy commanders of
1(FR) Division in Besançon, and 1(UK) Division in York respectively,
including a period when Brigadier Hervé Bizeul served as acting commander
of 1(UK) Division; and
• The UK providing continuing Strategic Transport flights in support to
French operations in Africa.
4. We also delivered full validation of the Combined Joint Expeditionary
Force (CJEF) concept in 2016 following the bilateral Exercise Griffin Strike
in the UK, involving over 5,000 UK and French military personnel. Since
then the CJEF has been available for operations up to Peace Enforcement
should that be necessary.
5. In the capabilities area, we largely completed feasibility work on the Future
Combat Air System project; made significant progress under the One
Complex Weapon programme, including the first successful test firings in
2017 of the Sea Venom/ANL anti-ship missile project announced at the 2014
Brize Norton Summit, launch of the concept phase for the Future Cruise/AntiShip
Weapon in March 2017, and signature, ratification and entry into force
of the Inter-Governmental Agreement on complex weapons enabling MBDA
to establish centres of excellence in France and the UK; and launched the
demonstration phase of our joint Maritime Mine Counter-Measures project.
6. In this context, we have agreed on the continuing importance of United
Kingdom defence to the stability of the multilateral order including its
contribution to European defence and security, and of the ability of UK
defence industry to continue to be able to engage in European defence
research and capability development programmes under arrangements to be
defined at the European level and in other relevant formats.
7. Building on these developments, we are now planning to take forward a
coherent programme of further policy, military and capability cooperation
over the coming years:
• Our new Defence Ministerial Council will meet regularly (envisaged as three
meetings a year) to provide strategic oversight and direction of the bilateral
defence relationship. This will be supported by an enhanced defence policy
dialogue;
• We will achieve Full Operating Capability for the Combined Joint
Expeditionary Force in 2020, supported by a coherent coordinated joint
CJEF exercise programme and wide-ranging specialist engagement. This will
give us the ability to deploy a CJEF across the full range of missions
envisaged at Lancaster House in 2010, up to and including crisis management
operation involving early entry in a potentially hostile territory at range;
a reply to: ScepticScot
I think people are getting confused. Britain and France have, sensibly, shared naval patrols for quire a while now. There were plans to extend this to other branches of the armed forces. Again, sensible in my view. There were no plans to merge though.
Additionally, the EU wish to create a standing army rather than rely on member states supplying forces. This is less sensible and far harder to implement but, again, makes sense given the rising threat of Russia (whether real or simply perceived) and the Trump administrations line on NATO. Britain objected to this and had no plans to join.
People seem to confuse the 2 issues and merge them into 1.
I think people are getting confused. Britain and France have, sensibly, shared naval patrols for quire a while now. There were plans to extend this to other branches of the armed forces. Again, sensible in my view. There were no plans to merge though.
Additionally, the EU wish to create a standing army rather than rely on member states supplying forces. This is less sensible and far harder to implement but, again, makes sense given the rising threat of Russia (whether real or simply perceived) and the Trump administrations line on NATO. Britain objected to this and had no plans to join.
People seem to confuse the 2 issues and merge them into 1.