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Brussels tells Theresa May - delaying Brexit will cost UK £10bn

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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: username74
a reply to: ScepticScot

want me to read it to you as well?

3. Today, following the successful implementation of the measures announced
at the Lancaster House Summit in 2010 and at subsequent Summits, our
Armed Forces have reached an unprecedented level of integration. Since the
last Summit, at Amiens in March 2016, our Armed Forces have been working
increasingly closely together. This has included:
• Strengthened maritime cooperation in the Channel and the Atlantic,
including French Atlantique 2 maritime patrol aircraft periodically operating
from RAF Lossiemouth in Scotland, and the closer integration of our national
air defence forces, in response to increased security challenges
• During 2017, a French Armoured Infantry Company forming part of the UKled
NATO enhanced Forward Presence Battle Group in Estonia;
• Working closely together as leading members of the international coalition
against Daesh in Syria and Northern Iraq, including provision of ISR and airto-air
refuelling. British and French fast-jet pilots serving as exchange officers
have flown on combat missions;
• Supporting each other in providing humanitarian relief in the Caribbean
following Hurricane Irma, including the UK providing a C17 to fly French
emergency supplies into theatre and the French providing imagery intelligence
to the UK;
• Our Navies operating increasingly closely around the world, including: RN
ships acting as escorts to the Charles de Gaulle and French Navy ships to
HMS Ocean in the Arabian Gulf; joint command of Coalition Task Force 150
in 2017 providing maritime security in the Southern Red Sea, Arabian Sea and
off the Horn of Africa; the launch of improved maritime notification
arrangements to improve the security of merchant shipping in the Gulf of
Guinea; and UK helicopters deploying to the Indian Ocean and Far East in
2017 as part of the French Jeanne d’Arc task force;
• The appointment of British and French Brigadiers as deputy commanders of
1(FR) Division in Besançon, and 1(UK) Division in York respectively,
including a period when Brigadier Hervé Bizeul served as acting commander
of 1(UK) Division; and
• The UK providing continuing Strategic Transport flights in support to
French operations in Africa.
4. We also delivered full validation of the Combined Joint Expeditionary
Force (CJEF) concept in 2016 following the bilateral Exercise Griffin Strike
in the UK, involving over 5,000 UK and French military personnel. Since
then the CJEF has been available for operations up to Peace Enforcement
should that be necessary.
5. In the capabilities area, we largely completed feasibility work on the Future
Combat Air System project; made significant progress under the One
Complex Weapon programme, including the first successful test firings in
2017 of the Sea Venom/ANL anti-ship missile project announced at the 2014
Brize Norton Summit, launch of the concept phase for the Future Cruise/AntiShip
Weapon in March 2017, and signature, ratification and entry into force
of the Inter-Governmental Agreement on complex weapons enabling MBDA
to establish centres of excellence in France and the UK; and launched the
demonstration phase of our joint Maritime Mine Counter-Measures project.
6. In this context, we have agreed on the continuing importance of United
Kingdom defence to the stability of the multilateral order including its
contribution to European defence and security, and of the ability of UK
defence industry to continue to be able to engage in European defence
research and capability development programmes under arrangements to be
defined at the European level and in other relevant formats.
7. Building on these developments, we are now planning to take forward a
coherent programme of further policy, military and capability cooperation
over the coming years:
• Our new Defence Ministerial Council will meet regularly (envisaged as three
meetings a year) to provide strategic oversight and direction of the bilateral
defence relationship. This will be supported by an enhanced defence policy
dialogue;
• We will achieve Full Operating Capability for the Combined Joint
Expeditionary Force in 2020, supported by a coherent coordinated joint
CJEF exercise programme and wide-ranging specialist engagement. This will
give us the ability to deploy a CJEF across the full range of missions
envisaged at Lancaster House in 2010, up to and including crisis management
operation involving early entry in a potentially hostile territory at range;


You just quoted a whole body of a link none of which actually supports your claim.




posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: ScepticScot

I think people are getting confused. Britain and France have, sensibly, shared naval patrols for quire a while now. There were plans to extend this to other branches of the armed forces. Again, sensible in my view. There were no plans to merge though.

Additionally, the EU wish to create a standing army rather than rely on member states supplying forces. This is less sensible and far harder to implement but, again, makes sense given the rising threat of Russia (whether real or simply perceived) and the Trump administrations line on NATO. Britain objected to this and had no plans to join.

People seem to confuse the 2 issues and merge them into 1.


I think a description of confused would be erring on the kind side.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

In fairness, the way our media discusses anything EU related, you can't really blame them.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: Flavian

Flavian, when micron talks about building an e.u. army its not been built.
its existing forces of nations intergrated.
they create nothing just take c and c to brussels.
and if you could state a rational argument concerning the validity of 'the rising russian threat' that would be most welcome.
oh i see your caveat, fair enough.
make no mistake flavian, this is their intention.
but you and most others will never approve so you wont be informed.
the sec of defence used to sell fireplaces and crockery for a living so dont expect too much.
www.ukcolumn.org...
3 mins in from the mouth of david davis in totnes. he didnt know his mike was live
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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

you arent very good at this are you.
watch the video.

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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: username74
a reply to: ScepticScot

you arent very good at this are you.
watch the video.


Someone isn't.

You made a series of claims and so far you can't even back up your first.

A reminder in case you have forgot

foreign and commonwealth office is pressing forward with its intergration of all branches of our armed services into the european army due to be complete by the end of next year.

It would be nice if we could move on to the rest of your nonsense.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

its all there.
www.ukcolumn.org...

3 mins in.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: username74

So a half heard comment, that may come from a pro Brexit MP.(or possibly Nigel Farage), who is no longer in the government, giving his personal opinion, about a process that may happen after the UK leaves the EU, is evidence that the UK military is becoming part of an EU army ( which doesn't even exist yet) and this will be completed by the end of next year...



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: username74

if you can read between the lines, these are full of info

europa.eu...

cdn3-eeas.fpfis.tech.ec.europa.eu...:1542657275/sites/eeas/files/pes co_factsheet_november_2018.pdf



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: username74

This has been discussed for upwards of 20 years and yet there is no EU army. Naval integration is due to our collective diminished ability to patrol our own waters.

Macron wanting a standing EU army is nothing new, he has simply resurfaced it this year. Why this year? For the reasons i laid out, NATO and Russia. France couldnt stand on its own, neither could Germany, etc etc. Collectively however, they could.

Obviously this would be accomplished by integrating into a single force. This is though completely seperate to Naval integration.

Do you really need to see more evidence of the rising Russian threat? Ukraine, Crimea, Novichock and electoral interference throughout Europe not enough? If not then i suggest you look at what the Intelligence Agencies as well as various Defence and Intelligence think tanks are saying.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: username74

So a half heard comment, that may come from a pro Brexit MP.(or possibly Nigel Farage), who is no longer in the government, giving his personal opinion, about a process that may happen after the UK leaves the EU, is evidence that the UK military is becoming part of an EU army ( which doesn't even exist yet) and this will be completed by the end of next year...





Confusing isn't it?



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

came from davis.
what did you do, watch 45 seconds of a 40 minute presentation again?



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: Flavian

it is for septic
heres a timeline
www.ukcolumn.org...
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posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: username74
a reply to: ScepticScot

came from davis.
what did you do, watch 45 seconds of a 40 minute presentation again?


I am not ot going to sit through a 45 minute video that yet again doesn't back up your claim. You gave the time to watch and guess what? It doesn't back up your claim!

So far the only thing you given that actually deals with you claim is a link to the defence minister explicitly stating that what you claim is happening isn't going to happen!



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: Flavian

i would like nothing better to be wrong in this but its becoming clearer by the day why brexit has been turned into a dog and pony show.
if you care you will consider this and if not then you won't.
forewarned is forearmed.
theres been whispers of this for a while from the upper ends of the navy.
if you read between the lines on the e.u. docs i posted it shouldnt be so inconceivable.
the weasel words are in there.
anyway i ve settled my conscience.
wouldnt want to encourage any conspiracy on this site eh!
i m off for a pint





posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: ScepticScot

just for you, because youve earnt it
www.youtube.com...



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: username74
a reply to: ScepticScot

just for you, because youve earnt it
www.youtube.com...


More relevant than most of your links....



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: studio500

Going to cost the average Britain a lot more now. The EU wanted inverstiagtive powers to look into the UK tax havens.



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: PublicOpinion

we have a huge long list of scots being racist towards their own kind, we have been selling ourselves out to the highest bidder for a very long time !



I get your drift, but I wouldn't call the usual self-preservation of the positivist paradigm racist.


“As naturally as the ruled always took the morality imposed upon them more seriously than did the rulers themselves, the deceived masses are today captivated by the myth of success even more than the successful are. Immovably, they insist on the very ideology which enslaves them. The misplaced love of the common people for the wrong which is done to them is a greater force than the cunning of the authorities.”

T.W. Adorno



posted on Nov, 21 2018 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: Flavian




Do you really need to see more evidence of the rising Russian threat? Ukraine, Crimea, Novichock and electoral interference throughout Europe not enough? If not then i suggest you look at what the Intelligence Agencies as well as various Defence and Intelligence think tanks are saying.


They're full of it and neither trustworthy nor independent from the corporate influence of our MIC.

The Ukraine is more of a threat to Europe than Russia, and the "Ukrainexit" referendum in Crimea was perfectly understandable, given the violent clashes with pro-russian protests in Odessa for example.
Novichok is a flimsy cloak and dagger story, just like MH17 for that matter, and the "electoral interference" has been blown out of it's proportions.

Call me a Russian Troll if you want, but I'm sensing a (western) conspiracy in this "Russian Aggression" hysteria for a couple of reasons.

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