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Rising conservative star Jordan Peterson in debate: "Athiesm leads to murder"

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posted on Jul, 9 2018 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: Theosist

so can we make the argument that atheism is just the 'spiritual' aspect of materialism, lol?


"It doesn’t matter if the moral impetus has a biological basis as a product of evolution or if particular moral law is a mere social construct, and if you arbitrarily define “right” and “wrong” in terms of a fundamental imperative like “survival” to make your claims meaningful."

but there is no fundamental imperative above survival (of genes [potential]). in this context, right = continued life, wrong = dead.
a moral context (within an ism) has to have at least two people for this to happen so the dynamic can form, mutual advantage can be found simply in laissez faire, initially.

doesnt the biological basis for morals and the biological demand for expediency supercede the social basis simply because there will be a feedback loop into the enviroment hence the biological origin for the moral.
might not be meaningful to the artificial system within the natural system but it will be to whatever part of the natural system has to suck up the consequences, which in turn places demands on the enviroment of the artificial system through the agency of the beings who live in the ism?
unitary systems?
feel like i should read jungs chapter on the archaic mind.


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posted on Jul, 9 2018 @ 03:08 PM
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Frankly, Joran whatever-his-name-is misses the mark. If one needs the threat of an omnipotent creature's wrath to keep them from being violent, then they're only a breath away from justifying it anyway. Atheists don't need the threat of otherworldly wrath to behave, being a decent person to others to be treated decently in return is it's OWN reward.

The fact that the religious do need that threat to stay in line speaks volumes for how thin the religious self-control veil truly is. Just my opinion.
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posted on Jul, 10 2018 @ 03:29 AM
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a reply to: Nyiah

"Atheists don't need the threat of otherworldly wrath to behave"
so we dont have secular law?



posted on Jul, 15 2018 @ 05:51 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: the2ofusr1

Rationalize all you wish.

The fact remains, a claim of moral superiority based on a belief in Christ has no validity.

While your statement is true in technicality....there is an argument for the opposite. I am coming on to this thread phage, to pick up some slack on the oppositions end and clarify some things many who posted here has wrong about what they think they know....sooon.

I promise to keep this as on topic as possible, but I need you to understand that I only decided to intervene because user 70 somethings intelligence has gotten me excited to challenge his point of view, I plan to engage him, but as the creator of this thread I would like your permission to engage as an opponent. normally I dont waste my time arguing belief and pros, cons or what have you, but almost all the posters here are ignorant, christian and atheist, and their emotional and dumbed down arguments are a disgrace to their own credibility to speak on these matters and weak in defense of their own ideals.

and mister 74 is who I plan to engage, with your permission, I bet I could really liven this thread up. I promise you will find it invigorating and all will be allowed their chance to challenge me here, and get alot of pent up vexation out of their system.

I of course will engage no. 74 in a moment, to warn that I am coming, but I would feel alot better if you ok'ed it, and I would encourage the atheists on board to brace themselves, for after I give my introduction to how I "Perceive" the universe, and my own place in it, I wont be holding any punches for religion or atheism. its gonna leave a bruise with all I have already prepared to strike down .74's philosophy of control.

but it will set you in your position against me as well, and I promise I wont make or take it personal is all I can offer.



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posted on Jul, 15 2018 @ 05:54 PM
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originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Nyiah

"Atheists don't need the threat of otherworldly wrath to behave"
so we dont have secular law?

Secular law is "otherworldly"?

And lest ye forget, the good bible thumpers make up the majority of jailbirds. So they nether obey their book's laws, nor our secular ones. Now, who's naughtier again?



posted on Jul, 15 2018 @ 06:05 PM
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originally posted by: username74
a reply to: username74

and i will say it again, none of this excludes anyones spiritual indivduality. their perception.
only recognise that actions have consequences



lol, actions have consequences? do they now?
I am really impressed with your intellectual outlook on these matters, you truly have the most sense of anyone here so far, yet I can still detect a certain confirmation bias in between the lines. I would like to engage your viewpoint as you seem like you could be a challenge to test my weaponized mind against. I of course first will want to address some things said on this board by others, in order to clarify a few things, not just about the ignorance of their statements but also to show who I really am.

Yes you have gotten my attention with your thesis, I was going to avoid posting because there was too much incorrect info being thrown around by all and it was all because for some reason Atheists and Christians always get emotional when they bicker like children over nothing they understand.

I of course after my next post plan to start dropping some serious hurt using cited sources, so even though I have most my material prepared I wanted to give you a heads up, to prepare your own counters.

Im gonna start slow, but by the end of my interest in this we will both know the power of eachothers chess game.


Sooon. by tomorrow at the latest, until then, have fun. btw, I thought it was hilarious how your intellect sent Fyre into a silent sulk. that outburst of your sources made me laugh.


P.S.
I noticed in your hierarchy of Bull# that you by technicality listed Religion at the top and Atheism(among other "isms'" a whole TIER below it. I dont know if any of you caught that but you kinda just stated in a funny fashion that Religious people DO hold the higher moral authority, because since they are at the top of the BULL# chain they control the narrative! lol. oh hah, haha, hehaheeee.



posted on Jul, 15 2018 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Nyiah

"Atheists don't need the threat of otherworldly wrath to behave"
so we dont have secular law?

Secular law is "otherworldly"?

And lest ye forget, the good bible thumpers make up the majority of jailbirds. So they nether obey their book's laws, nor our secular ones. Now, who's naughtier again?


most those bible thumpers in prison? became so AFTER they spent a year or more there for their crimes.

you better get ready cause Im about to drop the hammer on every atheist here. those uneducated christians you have been arguing with so far are not worthy of speaking up for their beliefs as they have failed to destroy many of the simplest untrue and misleading statements made about them so far.

you ready to ride this train with someone who can prove to you there is a god? just say choo choo


SOON...



posted on Jul, 15 2018 @ 06:11 PM
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a reply to: AutisticEvo

My my, somebody's got a hell of an ego. Remind me which part of the ever so good book of yours says not to judge again? And the requirements necessary for being able to do so?

You have fun playing with yourself in the corner.
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posted on Jul, 15 2018 @ 06:28 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: AutisticEvo

My my, somebody's got a hell of an ego. Remind me which part of the ever so good book of yours says not to judge again? And the requirements necessary for being able to do so?

You have fun playing with yourself in the corner.


once more an atheist making an overreach with their assumptions. what makes you think I am christian?
Also there was no requirements listed for judging others.
It warns that one will be judged according to how they judge others, nothing more.

you presume in stance of argumentum ad ignorantiam sir.
I dont see you faring well at all once phage gives me the go ahead.

do yourself a favor, focus on the ideals you believe, because you just shot your own foot twice. and your not my chosen opponent, you are not worthy of my time as you lack the wisdom to engage within the limits of that knowledge you do possess as you just showcased

"He who tries to Show Off will be Shown Up in a Show Down" ~a fortune cookie I once opened
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posted on Jul, 15 2018 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: AutisticEvo

before anyone questions my ego again, let me introduce you to a song that explains my position.

www.youtube.com...


"I made the mistake of playing this at the office. Now everyone has a beard, a tankard is at every desk and our weekly meetings have changed into weekly war councils"


but lets not forget my true roots. www.youtube.com...

and more to come my sweet delectable ats. You know you want a Touch of Evil. I want every christian and atheist or whatever you call yourselves here for this, I am gonna show all of you how to hold a REAL RELIGIOUS DEBATE!. I not only will deny both sides ignorance, Im gonna nuke your pathetic arguments with facts, science and TRUTH.
I raked the atheist twitter community's face through the coals and gravel...and I did it all without animosity, but you would be surprised how scientific FACTS are not the ally of doubters, but on the side of believers. welcome to THUNDERDOME!

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posted on Jul, 15 2018 @ 09:25 PM
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originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Nyiah

"Atheists don't need the threat of otherworldly wrath to behave"
so we dont have secular law?


I know right! LMAO. Because atheists are all
the purest of souls (Opps sorry). Totally
civilized immune to worthless emotions,
jealousy, hate, greed. Bunch a purified Mr.
Spocks parading around in higher intelligence
and logic than the rest of us. Because they
refuse the truth of the past.

Barf bag please



posted on Jul, 15 2018 @ 09:38 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Nyiah

"Atheists don't need the threat of otherworldly wrath to behave"
so we dont have secular law?


I know right! LMAO. Because atheists are all
the purest of souls (Opps sorry). Totally
civilized immune to worthless emotions,
jealousy, hate, greed. Bunch a purified Mr.
Spocks parading around in higher intelligence
and logic than the rest of us. Because they
refuse the truth of the past.

Barf bag please


thank you for your contribution," tomorrow night, we shall dine in the gardens of Troy"



posted on Jul, 15 2018 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: AutisticEvo

Will any atheists be there? And what about
my hair?



posted on Jul, 15 2018 @ 11:09 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: AutisticEvo

Will any atheists be there? And what about
my hair?


Dye it some sexy colour and cut it to the visual pleasure of our audience. And yes they will be here. And bring your friends. This is gonna be so good it's gonna have nuts in it!




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