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originally posted by: Edumakated
One thing that seems to be glossed over in all these school shootings with the focus on guns is that the perpetrators almost always seem to be social misfits who were bullied.
There doesn't seem to be much emphasis on stopping bullying.
This is not to excuse any of these nut bags from their crimes, but what responsibility do the students have in these cases?
Bullies have been around forever, so it isn't like being bullied is a new thing. One of the best horror movies Carrie is essentially about a girl exacting revenge on her tormentors at high school prom. Instead of blasting them away with a assault rifle she did other things at the prom.
I think what is different now is that Columbine put into the minds that this was an acceptable form of revenge. Second, video games have popularized first person shooters. Third, incessant media coverage and social media seems to encourage copy cat shooters.
Just some random thoughts. Let's discuss and debate without talking about gun control, but the OTHER issues.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: GuidedKill
She is Trumps wife. So nothing she does will work because of #Resist
In the recent shooting, it was the coaches of the school who bullied the kid. Marginlized him for smelling, not being manly enough. He used to play football then quit. I remember how coaches treated those kids.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: introvert
if we can all agree that guns are a small part of the issue, perhaps we can then, start to focus on all the other parts of this. But until we stop putting most of the energy into bitching about the tool used, we will continue around this circle jerk.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
Another contributing factor IMO is the proliferation of mind altering medications being prescribed to younger and younger ages for "syndromes" that were non-existent 20-30 years ago. This has made the pharmaceutical industries BILLIONS of dollars.
But, at what cost to the youth?
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: RickinVa
This I agree with.
I think there is a problem inside the schools, but I also think we have a cultural problem too.
As has been often pointed out - the guns have been around forever, and much more prominently in the past, they haven't changed. We have as a people. So what things inside our own society have shifted?
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Edumakated
I think you don't believe video games have anything to do with it because you probably like video games. I love video games. I love my FPS games and gratuitous violence. However, I can see how these games could desensitize someone who is already unstable.
Do you believe the violence in Saturday morning cartoons have a similar desensitizing affect?
I find it interesting that you believe a gun culture is a contributing factor but willing to excuse an extension of that culture which is in video games.
I said it is something we need to look at.
If we are interested in finding solutions, we should not so easily dismiss things.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying we should ban video games or anything like that. However, I am saying I can see how hyper realistic video games could be a factor in encouraging a nut job to engage in a mass shooting. Of course, we are talking about a very small subset of the population, but I don't think we can ignore it as a variable.
Ok. I suppose we can look in to it as well.
I just find the example I gave to be a bit more relevant, considering it actually involves real people glorifying real violence against others they do not like.
Video games...it's animated fantasy.
originally posted by: Ghostsinthefog
You are right it's not new, but technology today is. In my day a little name calling, few people involved done.
But today bullies use social media to destroy people socially to the point it breaks people.
Imagine being a kid and having malicious lies, beatings and torments at school, and then having it put all over social media for everyone locally and globally to see. Mix that with teenage emotions i cant even imagine... so yes to a degree bullies hold responsibility
originally posted by: GBP/JPY
at somepoint we need smaller local control.....of the schools
I see smaller schools as less intimidating to a young one....get smaller classes...23 students max....howabout that
om this subject there are lots of possibilities...but don't just go friggin bigger
We need to teach children how to cope with bullies.
We could remove bullies from schools, but who's going to remove bullies from adulthood?