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Originally posted by Indigo_Child
On physical evidence. Unfortunately, there exists barely any physical evidence to show how advanced the ancient Vedic people were. Does this mean we forget about all other forms of evidence, just because we do not have physical evidence?(1) My mind does not work like that. I will infer something in the absence of physical evidence, because I know we cannot always have physical evidence of something and we cannot solely rely on it either.
The way I see it that ancient Vedic people are already thousands of years ahead of what we call modern times. They understand mechanics that is not rediscovered until modern times, they understand chemistry that is not rediscovered until modern times, they understand physics that is not rediscovered until modern times. It is only logical to infer that the ancient Vedic people are ahead of modern times.(2)
As far as I am concerned we can learn more from ancient Vedic sciences than we can from the most modern sciences.(3) Vedic sciences has been passed onto us from a previous advanced civilisation that once existed on this Earth. I think, we can seek inspiration from them, to rebuild that same civilisation.(4) Their most important knowledge was their discoveries in spiritual sciences.(5)
I have a great respect for our ancestors. I do not think our ancestors were anymore less knowledgable and capable(6) than we are today. It is just a shame that so many traces of their legacy have been wiped out. However, fortunately the Vedic stuff survived, by which an intelligent person can infer and reconstruct the past. The truth is there in plain sight, you simply need to recognise it. (7)
No, we don't! there's evidence that points to something and evidence that proves something. So far we lack the evidence that proves. We do however have enough evidence to have indications, strong or not so strong from case to case. In the absence of physical evidence (or verifiable ones) we can theorize, speculate, imagine but not prove. Can we agree on this one?
How can ancient Indians be "ahead of modern times" when ALL what you referred to and they were advanced in was REDISCOVERED? Not in 100 years from today, not in 1000 years from today. Unless you meant "not yet rediscovered", in which case you are right. The only way this can stand is if you meant that they were ahead of modern times because, simply, they discovered all those things BEFORE modern (as we perceive them) times. Is this what you meant?
Really? What do the Vedic texts say about the course of the Andromeda Galaxy and its collision course to our own Galaxy? What about cancer, is there anything on cancer there that we don't know today? Did Indian society follow the capitalistic or the socialistic doctrine? What were their views on global warming? Plate tectonics? The Asteroid belt, the Kuyper belt and the Oort cloud? What about the possibility of life in Europa and Enceladus?
didn't their culture die in a supposed nuclear war? Is this what are we supposed to "copy"?
ah, the "field" with all the cool experiments. Maybe they mastered telekinetic powers and aided the Egyptians with their pyramids.
Knowledgeable and capable is not the same thing, is it? They could be the most capable yet not so knowledgeable, or vice versa. It is not mandatory these go hand in hand.
It depends what truth you talk about, one that can be verified or one that one believes in without enough proof. The former is scientific truth, the latter is religious truth - and I am not religious
They have been able to create what I call perfect sciences. Their linguistics is perfect. Their medicine and health sciences are perfect. Their music is perfect. Their psychology is perfect. Their poetry is perfect. Their metaphysics is perfect. Their society is perfect. We are very very behind them.
(d) killing myself for not being able to see all this certainty without the faintest tangible proof, and I was wondering why I felt like that. Now I know and I thank you for it
Unlike western music in carnatic music ther are 22 notes in an octave( as compared to 12 in the west). Using vibratos, you can achive the extra notes on a giutar.
We noted that in carnatic music it is not enough to produce just twelve or even twenty two 'tones' in an octave. One ought to produce even the intermediate frequencies. These intermediate frequencies, which do not have any keys to produce them, are called 'microtones'. The Indian word for the 'microtone' is 'gamakam'. (of course, 'gamak' in hindi) It is often very difficult to explain this concept clearly and precisely. If the C key produces 240 Hz and the C# key produces 254 Hz what intermediate frequencies are we talking about? Does Indian music use sounds produced at 247 Hz? Treatises have been written in India about such microtonal apects of music. Suffice it to say that microtones or gamakams tend to be clustered around the primary key frequency, although this need not always be the case.
In ancient India the intention to discover truth was so consuming, that in the process, they discovered perhaps the most perfect tool for fulfilling such a search that the world has ever known -- the Sanskrit language. There is at least one language, Sanskrit, which for the duration of almost 1000 years was a living spoken language with a considerable literature of its own. Besides works of literary value, there was a long philosophical and grammatical tradition that has continued to exist with undiminished vigor until the present century. Among the accomplishments of the grammarians can be reckoned a method for paraphrasing Sanskrit in a manner that is identical not only in essence but in form with current work in Artificial Intelligence. This article demonstrates that a natural language can serve as an artificial language also, and that much work in AI has been reinventing a wheel millennia old.
The discovery is of monumental significance. It is mind-boggling to consider that we have available to us a language which has been spoken for 4-7000 years that appears to be in every respect a perfect language designed for enlightened communication. But the most stunning aspect of the discovery is this: NASA the most advanced research center in the world for cutting edge technology has discovered that Sanskrit, the world's oldest spiritual language is the only unambiguous spoken language on the planet. Considering Sanskrit's status as a spiritual language, a further implication of this discovery is that the age old dichotomy between religion and science is an entirely unjustified one.
Vedanta is the most impressive metaphysics the human mind has conceived.
– Alfred North Whitehead (British mathematician and philosopher)
With recent developments in Quantum Mechanics and the philosophy of science, the dialogue of Western scientific thought has advanced to the point where its cutting edge exposes many issues equivalent to those discussed in Vedanta. Now that this has occurred, the timeless principles of Vedanta can be expressed in the technical language of Quantum Mechanics and the philosophy of science, with little or no attenuation of meaning. Quantum physics and Vedanta address the same philosophical object: the inconceivable, immeasurable and immanent nature of Absolute Reality, of which the observable phenomenological cosmos is but a tiny subset. The two disciplines approach the subject from widely divergent points of view and use vastly different language to treat it. Nevertheless, the commonality of subject between Western science and Vedanta makes it possible to reconcile them without diminishing the importance or subtlety of either. Scientific Vedanta is the first attempt to translate the enduring wisdom of Vedanta into the new scientific language of Quantum Physics.
Originally posted by Maegnas
This does not negate the fact that all this perfection is lost. Plus, taking a different approach to things doesn't make one approach better or more advanced than another.
And there are still many of my questions unanswered. What about those?
Vedic language is so complex and precise, it requires a computer grammar to generate sentences. Vedic music is so complex and precise, it can glide effortlessly from one microtone to the other. Vedic metaphysics is also very complex and precise, using a very powerful vocabulary of technical terms to describe difficult philosophical concepts like mind, consciousness, reality.