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Transgender Person On Trial For Sexually Assaulting 10-Year-Old Girl In Bathroom

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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse


Martinez is a transgender who identifies as female. This is no excuse to condone violence against the transgender community. However, it is one of the reasons why I and some other members as well as other Americans have been vehemently against the "bathroom inclusive laws."



Because of one pervert? You could find an example of any aspect of society in this same type of deviance if you're going to use one example. Even say...a Republican.




posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: Scifi2424

Except those are not the lefts arguments.. those are the arguments of the cartoon liberals the Fox News types pretend exist. That I have never once even met..


You couldn’t find one single quote of an elected democrat saying they want to ban all the guns..

I know that partially because I started a post requesting them, and not person was able to reply with one .. and partially because anyone with an once of deductive reasoning knows it would be political suicide and no law enforcement body would enforce it..?

That’s their whole game.. take the comments of some random nobody who has zero authority or even really followers and pretend they speak for the entire left..


The ONLY policy any democrat has ever put forth concerning gun control is a ban on NEW ASSAULT RIFLES.. with the millions already in circulation remaining perfectly legal..

That is the worst case scenerio democrat policy.. agree with it or not. It isn’t even on the same planet as “banning all the guns”.

It is a deflection meant to fool stupid people..



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Scifi2424

Except those are not the lefts arguments.. those are the arguments of the cartoon liberals the Fox News types pretend exist. That I have never once even met..


You couldn’t find one single quote of an elected democrat saying they want to ban all the guns..

I know that partially because I started a post requesting them, and not person was able to reply with one .. and partially because anyone with an once of deductive reasoning knows it would be political suicide and no law enforcement body would enforce it..?

That’s their whole game.. take the comments of some random nobody who has zero authority or even really followers and pretend they speak for the entire left..


The ONLY policy any democrat has ever put forth concerning gun control is a ban on NEW ASSAULT RIFLES.. with the millions already in circulation remaining perfectly legal..

That is the worst case scenerio democrat policy.. agree with it or not. It isn’t even on the same planet as “banning all the guns”.

It is a deflection meant to fool stupid people..


Yet somehow this turns in to a gun control discussion? Non-sequitur much?

I have one quote for you: Hillary Clinton supporting "Australian style gun ban." You are familiar with Australia's egregious and ineffective actions against firearms, right?

source: NRA-ILA, the most credible source regarding firearms and our unabridged right to posses offensive, military weapons of war.
www.nraila.org...

BTW: The worst case scenario you described is still unacceptable. "Assault rifles" are used in a very, very small percentage of crimes. So going after them proves this is only about culture warfare and not saving lives. If you want to save lives, however, why don't you target drinkers/smokers and go after parents who shovel McDonalds garbage in their kid's mouths?

But that'd make too much sense. It'd actually be about saving lives and making people healthier instead of engaging in overt and blatant culture warfare. You should get some facts regarding the first "assault weapon" ban: it didn't stop crime, and it didn't save lives.

How am I supposed to perform my constitutional duty of providing for my own security and the security of my nation without military weaponry? AKA "assault" weapons

Some measures could work: reasonable measures. Any measures must target THE HUMAN and not THE WEAPON before they'll work or be accepted by the firearm community. Banning ANY class of weapon is not only ineffective, but unacceptable to those of us who posses said weapons. Believe me when I say you don't want to turn millions of gun owners in this country into criminals overnight through half-baked legislation - no one would like the outcome of that, I assure you.
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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: intrepid

So I’m guessing his point is that we should not be allowing transgenders to use ANY bathrooms or that no one should let transgenders around their children..


Since this happened in a residential home to people who called this monster a friend. That would be the only logical conclusion right??

It wasn’t a public restroom nor even a women’s room..it wasn’t a case where a predator pretended to be trans to gain access to opposite sex children..


Blantant propaganda like this really does trigger me..

Just say “ I hate transgenders and want them kept as far away from me as possible” and let people make up their own minds from actual real life cases.. don’t propagandize unrelated events it dup those who might be decent people..



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So wait.... this did not happen in a public bathroom? It happened in an apartment bathroom? So eone please clarify this.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox


They should use the same restrooms they used their entire lives up until ~2014ish

Why should a male have to use a public restroom with a female? Why should females be forced to conduct their private restroom business around a male? It is absurd to believe that your ACTUAL gender changes simply because you will it.

One thing I always respect about the left is their typical love and support of science and the scientific method. It is your right to claim whatever gender you want (you have free speech), but forcing others to recognize it against the principles of science is wrong.

Either that or privacy in the restroom should be removed totally, and cameras placed in every last square inch. I won't risk the false-assault claims that such private-space mingling opens us up to.

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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 11:31 AM
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originally posted by: tribal
a reply to: bastion

i think you are making the "all or nothing" logical fallacy here. Its actually an intellectual/cognitive distortion because there is almost no situation in life in which there is an all or nothing phenomenon, most exist in degrees.

Your inability or unwillingness to admit the NUANCE and DEGREE of what is essentially a point of social interaction (bathrooms, etc) detracts from the strength of your rebuttal. You may even have a logical point within a purely hypothetical situation that probably doesnt exist, but in the REAL world we dont and usually cannot make such all or nothing decisions about something as complex and vastly integrated into society as the interaction of adults and children is.


You completely missed my point which was pointing out the obvious 'all or nothing' you were applying to use a child abused at home as reason to ban trans people from public toilets. If you can ban all trans people from public toilets to because of the action of one lone nutter then why not ban all men and women seeing as not only do some men and women also abuse children in fact the majority is caused by non trans people.

Why will you allow an all or nothing approach to one group of people yet be repulsed by applying it to others? Is there any evidence to back up this draconian stance and call for a government ban on trans people using toilets in public? Given this happened at home, what measures - if any - do you propose the government enact? TSA latex glove treatment, Body scanners, DNA tests in every home before toilets can be used? Or do you just have an issue with trans people in general and are using this event that has no relevance to public bathroom use to remove rights of a group based on no evidence?
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Are you aware of the dangers of articles such as this and views such as your own that are calling for rights to be removed from a particular sex/gender based on no evidence or precedent? Being morally opposed to gender reassignment is a personal choice, but to call for oppressive regimes and singling out groups as an underclass not worthy of the same human rights based on no evidence, with the lies and propaganda of sites such as DailyCaller trying to normalise such behaviour by deceit and obscuring facts.
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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: bastion


-buzzer sounds-

Time out. I smell a red herring.

No one is suggesting they be banished from using public restrooms.

We're saying they need to use the restroom the corresponds to their scientific gender, and not their self-designated gender. You know, the same restroom they used THEIR ENTIRE LIFE prior to ~2014.

I couldn't care less if a man wants to pretend to be a woman. I do care if that same man is using the same PRIVATE, unmonitored and unprotected space as my wife or daughter against their will! Just as I don't want females in the same PRIVATE, unmonitored and unprotected space that I am in. This opens each respective group up to many legal and security risks. And for what? So society can be a party to a person's delusions? I don't think so.

With the number of false sexual assault claims (including lowering the bar), I refuse to share a private and unmonitored space with a member of the opposite sex. That's just how it is, short of every single restroom having a myriad of cameras and audio monitoring devices installed therein.

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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: bastion


-buzzer sounds-

Time out. I smell a red herring.

No one is suggesting they be banished from using public restrooms.

We're saying they need to use the restroom the corresponds to their scientific gender, and not their self-designated gender. You know, the same restroom they used THEIR ENTIRE LIFE prior to ~2014.




Now I'm really confused. How would that work? Trans paedos would still be in the same bathroom as kids then, kids would be at the exact same risk they currently are at. It does nothing to solve the problem. I thought this was about child safety and what can be done to protect children, not what irrelevant excuses/bleeding heart propaganda we can weaponise to remove rights from trans people.
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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: reddragon2015

That is a great question, but still does not change the fact that a sick person abused her.
He....YES HE! should not be in there. Sick. What bothers me most is that this is ok in our society now?!
Understand he penetrated her. A woman cant do that. So she was raped by a MAN in a bathroom and
WE made this happen by voting for it.

WAKE UP or it is going to keep happening.

I don't even know why I read this now I am all pissed off.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Sorry, but we have thousands of laws on the books related to guns. They (and you it seems) use terms like semi-automatic assault weapons need to be banned. That is every gun in the nation because they are all semi-automatic assault weapons if they are used that way. But you say! If it saves one child it will be worth it! What about the children?

Slippery slope logic. But ok lets play.. we need to ban all transvestites because if just one child is saved, it will be worth it. Or if transvestites (Insert Assualt Weapons) were banned this child would have been saved.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

So you're comfortable with this person going in the restroom with your wife and daughter?



And you're comfortable with this person going in the restroom with you?




posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 12:37 PM
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This is what happens when you start normalising things that are clearly not normal.
You want to pretend you're a woman or man, fine. But the rest of us should not be forced to play along.

We gotta stop thinking actions have no consequences.

I'll treat anyone, gay, trans, whatever like any other human being, as long as you're not hurting me or others what do I care?
But we have to draw the line some where, and I draw it at being expected to agree with and accept everything presented to me as normal because feelings.
(Just the same as I do not treat people with Downs bad. But show me one person who would say "Down syndrome is normal".)

Sorry that is intolerant and bigoted towards my logic and common sense.

Maybe we should stop treating schizophrenic and other problems because people were "born that way".
I mean that is where we are heading.

Honestly where do we draw the line? God, having flashbacks to Kyle's Dad becoming a dolphin.

Crazy, I can have sex with another male, I can dress, act and have my body mutilated to appear female, but people lose their # and say I am insane if I so much as want a second wife? (often the same people who want me to accept they are gay or trans as normal or support those who 'identify as such'.)

We should not vilify people, but this # really has to stop.
Honestly how many of us saw this coming? Not many, because few of us have any sense.

Knew it was going to all be going to hell once we started normalizing clearly abnormal behavior. It was the only logical conclusion possible in such circumstances.


I no longer identify as human. I cannot be part of this species when this is the new normal for them.
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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: reddragon2015
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

why was the 10 year old alone in a public bathroom?


I think if you read the story you'll find that it WAS NOT a public bathroom. It was a private bathroom in a private house.

Also it was a "friend of the family."

The guy/girl is a loser/creep horrible person. But let's get the facts straight before we bash bathroom laws...unless you want bathroom laws invading your house.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 12:58 PM
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Lol, "Identifies as"

Just like converting to Hebrew for personal gain. Converts to woman for personal gain.

Can i identify as President Trump? Guess I don't even need to ask. I am President Trump. Pre-op.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: amazing
Sick, but not a transgendered bathroom issue. It wasn't a case of a pediphile dressing up as a woman to use a public women's bathroom. All the "it was bound to happen" "this is what the left does to America" crap is making me sick.

So much dumb on this thread.


You are claiming this man is not a transgender who sees himself as a female when every link says the contrary and Martinez does say to be a woman even though he has male genitalia?


No. I'm claiming that this wasn't a case of a public restroom/transgendered bathroom issue that some people are trying to make it out to be.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniversesee where pc hysteria leads us. this not a true transgender individual this is a a wolf in sheeps clothing a predatory animal who caaflages itself to hide from prey and law enforcement.,

if a child of mine came and told me about some scum doing this to her the pain i would inflict on this thing would be biblical . why you ask because this THING will fall on the mercy of the pc court and cry about the hardship they endured as a [transgendered person] and the pc fools are liable to give it a lighter sentence.




posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: Subrosabelowno one said turd was gay he/it is NOT A TRANGENDERED PERSON IT IS A SEXUAL PREDATOR DRESSING AS A WOMAN FOR THE PURPOSE OF FLAUNTING LAWS AND TO HIDE AMONGST ITS PREY





posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

That’s BS..

She didn’t even remotely say America should should ban all guns..

Every single BS piece of propaganda people try to push is followed by..

“ i know they didn’t actually say they wanted to ban all the guns, but I know what she really means..”

It’s the same old tired “take them out of context and edit the gel out of it..”

And THAT IS THE WORST/BEST CASE SCENERIO!!!

It is laughable..


I’m not debating weather or not to ban guns because it is mental masterbation.. it is doom porn for Rambo wanna bes’..

No one wants to ban all the guns, people just like to feel self righteous...


Don’t forget shiria law was comming to America as well!!

BWAHAHAHA



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: proteus33

Yea because our legal system has always been pro-child molestor and pro-minority..

BWAHAHAHA



I have no idea how people buy this garbage...


Being a minority doesn’t help you in criminal court ever... the only thing that helps you in criminal court is money.. something minorities are not known for having..

Poor perverts don’t get lite sentences.. rich perverts do..

Poor murderers don’t get lite sentences , rich murderers do..



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