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Transgender Person On Trial For Sexually Assaulting 10-Year-Old Girl In Bathroom

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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 08:15 AM
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originally posted by: abago71



I think bathrooms should be segregated by genitalia. Penis's in one, vagina's in the other one.


And how will we know who has what? Do you want to be the official underwear inspector?




posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I don't get it... did they have two bathrooms, one for women and one for men? That's unusual, I guess they have a lot of strangers visit them! Still can't agree with you; I won't stand for the government coming into my home and telling me who can use my bathroom and who can't. That's preposterous, very anti-freedom! You must be a socialist.
edit on 20-10-2017 by Cutepants because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: abago71

How is any of the university stuff PC???

A)imho unisex single bathrooms just make more sense.. if it is a single bathroom and the men’s is occupied, I’m using the women’s Everytime lol..

It being a single Bathroom imho removes all the reasons not to use it...aka a woman could be in there.

B) why would removing veteran parking be pc?? I bet it was an issue of not enough veterans to fill it and too little parking for the rest of the students..

No one attacks veterans nor the military.. Americans rightfully stopped doing that during vietnam and started blaming the politicians..

It was disgusting and should have been squarely on the leadership the whole time, but I have never seen one person attack the soldiers for US public policy..

Not saying it hasn’t happened. But it’s rare enough where I have never seen it.

C) why would no nicotine policies be PC??? I vape, so I’m definitely on the pro nicotine side, but both political sides are anti nicotine..



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 08:27 AM
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this is not a bathroom issue.

this is a deception issue.

Among "traditional/typical" females there has for a long long time been a social "culture" of going to bathrooms together.

This man used his disguise as a female to attain a degree of trust and confidence from the girl he would have never gotten had he maintained an outward appearance that matched his sex, i.e. more masculine appearance.

The real issue here is the potential for abuse by those who are already confused or in transition (a potentially lengthy and difficult process). These people, who admittedly have a problem (they were born in the wrong body, or cannot harmonize the way they feel in their brain with what they see in the mirror) have at bare minimum a significant psychological condition that unfits them for normal association with the most fragile and vulnerable members of society, our children.

We teach children how to understand risk. We teach them not to talk to strangers, to be careful crossing the street, etc. These are mostly rather black and white situations where risk analysis is pretty easy for a very young and unsophisticated mind. HOWEVER, by introducing confusing ideas about who or what a person is to unsophisticated thinkers we sabotage their ability to understand potential risk of associating with certain people.

Its impossible to separate the sexual component and all the baggage that goes along with it from the issue of being transgender or transitioning from one identity to another. These people are inherently unstable and admittedly so. They are not the kind of people that should in any case be allowed to be alone or unsupervised with children.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 08:32 AM
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We have discussed the transgender issue to an Ad nauseam degree on ATS, but the spin put on the OP is what I hate about fake news.......stupid. If this is a private bathroom this should not even be a front page topic, most perversion takes place in private places not public, the risk of being caught rises exponentially, and then there is always the real danger of some vigilante style justice being dished out if caught.
edit on 20-10-2017 by Blue_Jay33 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: tribal

So you're saying that trans people should be banned from going into any public restrooms, as there are male children in the men's room... despite the fact that the vast majority of trans people have not attacked any children.


With that thinking, we all know that men are the greatest perpetrators of sexual assaults, therefore we should ban ALL MEN from using public restrooms. I'm all for banning men from parking garages, elevators and jogging trails too. I'd feel MUCH safer.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 08:51 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

im generally against unstable people of any kind having access to children no matter the venue.

but in your own words "we all know that men are the greatest perpetrators of sexual assaults"....

yes...so we should not make any special allowances for men who want to pretend being women so they can have even MORE access to little girls.

you made my argument for me, thanks.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 08:54 AM
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originally posted by: Kali74
I am not in anyway defending this predator however the ratio of transgender offenders is what to non transgender offenders male or female? There's no logical reason to tie this to bathroom choices but to a rapist and a pedophile.


Logic is never the goal.. LOL, If we take the argument from the left (LGBT included) that we must ban all guns because if it saves one child its worth it. Sound logical?

If it does, then we must ban all transvestites because if it saves one child its worth it. Then we can move on to the entire LGBT, priests, teachers, politicians, your neighbor, ect..

If you think about it, this story was brought to you from the right but argues the point from the left where logic is concerned. Crazy humans...



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv
The honor system and no i would not like that job.

That was intended as sarcasm. I thought the following bit about having both genitalia and having a choice of which bathroom to use indicated my sarcasm.

I guess I need to practice my sarcasm skills.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: abago71

Sarcasm needs a font...



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: tribal

We should not be making any allowances for men whatsoever - ANY of them. We should not allow men into men's rooms where they have access to little boys. Thanks for making my argument for me.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv




your argument makes no sense since in nature almost every animal group separates into groups by gender so its actually MORE logical, not less, to have men and boys together and women and girls together because biology itself is what created this separation.

gender bending confusion is practically non existent in the animal world, from which we came. Even in the rare cases some creatures exhibit cross gender features it never disturbs the hierarchy and order maintenance.

you are arguing against evolutionary biology.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: tribal

That's a bit rich - you call for a total ban on trans-gendered public bathrooms citing child safety fears, despite 90% of abuse being committed by predominantly hetero family members in their own homes. If you wanted to be consistent you'd have all children banned from being in the company of all males or females in public and private, especially family. Instead you just outed yourself as more interested in trans-bashing than tackling child abuse.

Your understanding of evolutionary biology is off too. Many species don't seperate on genders and female hyenas have a pseudo-penis which they use to rape males in order to assert pack dominance.
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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox
I believe I have misused the "PC" term. Thank you for pointing that out.
Politically correctness has no point in this.
My bad.

I meant the people who cry until they get their way without the concern of other people who are effected by their current cause.

A) I think unisex bathrooms and single bathrooms could be sufficient. My argument was that there still are multi person women's bathrooms readily available and single person unisex bathrooms in locations with no multi person male bathrooms. In other locations there are single person women restrooms and single serve unisex restrooms. There are none designated solely for men. To clarify, this is not campus wide. Only in certain buildings.

One specific building had a single serve men's and a single serve women's restroom on the second floor. This year, one is labeled women's and the other is now unisex. Women regularly occupy both of these restrooms at the same time and most guys just run down stairs where there is no waiting.

B) Once again, I misused the "PC" term. Sorry.
The parking area was remodeled over the summer and expanded.
The spots reserved for the Military & Veteran's office was switched to another office. Learning Assistance.
I hope I didn't imply that this was an attack on the military in any way.


I admit, that was a poor example. I should not type when I first wake up.


C) Once again. I shouldn't have used "PC".
My issue is that I am unable to enjoy a cigarette while I sit in my personal vehicle without some idiot turning me in while others are smoking a joint around the building and no one says squat.
I guess in fairness, marijuana isn't nicotine.

To sum up. I shouldn't have made my previous post. I'm sorry. I will restrain my morning posting habits until after I've had a cup of coffee or two.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

This thread will just another excuse for some tranny bashing but I truly hope she never gets out of prison.


That thing still has a penis.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

A heavily biased new site that has a history of doing things like making up false allegations, like the time they tried to accuse a senator of sleeping with prostitutes, who one of their employees most likely hired for the interview.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: bastion

i think you are making the "all or nothing" logical fallacy here. Its actually an intellectual/cognitive distortion because there is almost no situation in life in which there is an all or nothing phenomenon, most exist in degrees.

Your inability or unwillingness to admit the NUANCE and DEGREE of what is essentially a point of social interaction (bathrooms, etc) detracts from the strength of your rebuttal. You may even have a logical point within a purely hypothetical situation that probably doesnt exist, but in the REAL world we dont and usually cannot make such all or nothing decisions about something as complex and vastly integrated into society as the interaction of adults and children is.

Let me put it another way. Adults and children will necessarily meet and interact in various venues of the life experience and in a normally functioning society or tribe or other group this is totally normative. Breaking it down further we can identify times and places in which more or less such interaction takes place and then proceed to evaluate the importance of those interactions and whether or not they need to exist to the degree that they do, or exist at all.

You made the giant leap of so called "reasoning" from me saying that if im against Trans adults being in bathrooms that to be logically consistent i should be against ALL adults being in bathrooms with children.

Well, you may actually have a point there! I will admit that. I have NEVER liked public bathrooms. I think theyre disgusting first of all, and secondly i am a naturally paranoid person about people of unknown provenance and disposition pulling their pants down next to me. I happen to know there are crazy people in the world, i have worked with some of them, and i know that the bathroom experience is one in which you are potentially at nearly your most vulnerable point, next to being asleep i suppose. THEREFORE for the sake of just basic survival based behavior i think peeing and pooping in groups is not advisable AT ALL and i really dont have a personal enjoyment of the group bathroom experience.

Having said that, our societies have adopted this model into its infrastructure, obviously out of a purely utilitarian need since personal bathrooms would cost significantly more money to build and operate (im assuming). So we are discussing the most optimal manner in which to operate a very UN optimal bathroom experience.

Now, since i just told you i am personally opposed to gang bathrooms (showers etc) its easy for me to be logically consistent in my argument and agree with one part of your point while rejecting your overall conclusion. I agree with you that perhaps in OUR CURRENT MODEL of society and complexity it might not be a good idea for adults and children to mix company during a very vulnerable experience evolutionarily speaking. An animal going to the bathroom is far more vulnerable to attack than at most other times except during intercourse and sleep. Therefore, I can easily make the argument that ideally no adults and chldren, and perhaps even children together and adults together, should be sharing a bathroom AT ALL. We could have some common ground on that particular application or scenario in which children and adults interact.

HOWEVER, when you go beyond that to include ALL interaction between children and adults (men) regardless of the time and place then you go completely off the rails of logic and rationality. If i have to explain in detail why i would just feel like im insulting your intelligence even if you are just playing devils advocate as it should be as they say "primae facie" exactly why such a position is completely unrealistic in the evolutionary sense of things.

So let me sum up. Group bathrooms are just a bad idea period, but we are stuck with them in the models most societies have adopted for the public space. THEREFORE i advocate common sense preventative measures for all persons in that public space to take to best protect themselves. Now, to my thinking it makes the most sense for like sexes to share this vulnerable and private experience together since it is already not ideal but adding females to the mix would make it even less ideal. So in this less than ideal scenario males eliminate waste together, and females do likewise. The social utility of this should be obvious: like begets like, like attracts like, like understands like etc. So as to not be overtly preoccupied, distracted or otherwise bothered by such obvious differences in genitalia, it makes the most logical sense to put like plumbing with like. This eliminates numerous uncomfortable social experiences that most people would just as soon not have to deal with, unless theyre freaks.

Adults and children sharing space and interaction is not an all or nothing proposition. There ARE in fact some points of interaction that are not only necessary but beneficial: men and boys hunting together for example. A tribe that did not pass on this critical skill would simply not survive and given that historically men were the hunters it is perfectly scientifically evolutionarily logical for this kind of interaction between men and boys to take place. Any argument that goes to the retarded edge of space cadetum saying that we should eliminate ALL interaction between men and women, boys and girls is an argument for the death of the species itself.

Therefore your point is moot.



posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 10:31 AM
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originally posted by: Subrosabelow

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: JoshuaCox


Yep, it took place in the bathroom at the girl's family apartment and the perp was a family friend. So, this has nothing to do with Target, or Trans bathroom rights.


I suspected as much. That could have been a 100% straight male family friend and it would still have happened. Article is just to bash transgenders and the bathroom issue.
I agree, him being transgendered is of only a little consequence in this story. Except to show his mental instability. However, my position is still that dicks belong in one room and vaginas in the other. There is absolutely no plausible reason to change this rule just because some men pretend that they are women.
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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: snowspirit

Well, yes... unless said individual was faking it for the "pop-culture shock value victimhood image" such things provide. He can self-identify as whatever he likes, but that doesn't mean I have to believe it. I prefer the scientific approach: you're either biologically a male or biologically a female. No amount of wishing and hoping will ever change those facts - including pumping your body full of hormones it was never meant to have.

I don't personally have any issue with this individuals exercising their own personal freedoms. However, they can't expect to force their beliefs on others. I respect their right to claim (read: speech, freedom thereof) whatever they want. I disagree with their statements, factually. The entire concept of a public restroom is flawed. The combined vulnerability of using the restroom (or sleeping) in conjunction with a bunch of un-vetted/un-trusted humans makes for an uneasy partnership. They are a result of neccessity and cost-reduction (instead of public personal restrooms, for example).

I do not like the idea of using the restroom with other males present. The risk of false assault claims skyrocket when you allow anonymous members of the opposite sex to share a private (camera free) space. My body camera, for instance, may be illegal to use in a public restroom in certain circumstances. Now, I typically don't turn mine off - instead, I throw an article of clothing over the camera leaving its audio recording abilities intact. This is not ideal, as video footage is much more useful from an evidentiary standpoint, but still better than word-vs-word (aka heresay).

Rapists have no place in society, regardless of trans or not. Lock him up

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posted on Oct, 20 2017 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: abago71

Your good...

It just really bothers me the way people will try to equate the words/actions of some random college student or Internet poster with some massive societal problem...

As if the greatest problem we face as Americans isn’t institutional corruptuon and for profit polices.. noooo...

It’s PC culture... a “bunch” (and I quote bunch because it can’t be that prevalent if I have never personally met someone who fits the cartoon sjw mold) of random people with little or no authority nor following. Somehow get to speak for anyone not conservative enough for Sean hannity...



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