Brexit - ‘No deal’ planning is well under way, says Minister

a reply to: Freeborn

The Problem with Brexit really is that there are multiple agendas at play that are not necessarily known, laid out on the table, or in the open in a clear and consistent fashion.

If im wrong Freeborn then so much the better for the nation and Brexit will transpire with little or no incident or repercussions.

Don't see it happening that way through considering the debacle it has been from the start but chance would be a fine thing indeed.

a reply to: andy06shake

Can't argue with that.

I voted Leave, for sovereignty reasons, fully understanding that there could be short to medium term challenges.
I am confident in the ability of our country to trade as an independent nation, but I'm always a 'glass half full' kind of guy.
Some of the remainers make me think of people going into a fist fight thinking they're gonna lose, may as well just lay down or bend over and get it over with quickly if that's your mindset.

a reply to: andy06shake

How will it happen through when both sides are posturing, bickering, and generally coming to no consensus or conclusions whatsoever

If companies and businesses wish to trade, then they will trade.

As Thatcher use to say...............it's all about the economy. Stupid !

I'm not going to pretend I have a lot of knowledge about how leaving the eu should or will happen, what I notice is how the people of Great Britain are getting upset about not having the safety net of eu rules eu trade & being a member of the club, yes we should be very concerned about how this will pan out, but how on earth did we get to the point that we are worried about so much because we will no longer belong to the club, people are panicking because the eu is so controlling why are we so desperate to stay under their power? I think of all the memes that were being posted around after the Brexit vote of pictures of milkman still delivering the milk through bombed streets during the war. & that really was the British attitude of keep calm and carry on. What would those people think of us now. Imagine if we could transport past generations right from those scenes of those pictures to right now, where they would hear us worrying how we can't cope without the eu membership & we're so worried about how negotiations with the Germans are going & how our government is not making negotiations nice & simple & easy. What do you think they would think ? I think they'd have a stroke. we have somehow lost that part of us & while the eu Union has been fantastic for a lot, we have got to a point where we literally worry about being in the big wide world without being part of it Great Britain is scared we can't be great without the rest of Europe. Like I said before I wont pretend to know a great amount about how this is going to play out or even how we should play it out. I just believe that a lot of the fear and the dread in this country about leaving should cause us to pause & think, how on earth did we go from those pictures of drinking cups of tea amongst the ruins of the blitz with a stiff upper lip to being so terrified of the consequences of being a free independent Great Britain.

originally posted by: fusiondoe

originally posted by: Denoli
They just want our money, we don't need Europe.

# them .

This ^

That’s why they don’t shut up about the divorce bill, the top eu dictators are scared that the gravy train may be coming to an end.

All this fear mongering about the UK’s impending extinction if we take a no deal approach is such rubbish. EU countries such as Germany rely on exporting to us a lot more then we do importing to them.

Also there is a big world outside Europe. Like I said, maybe a few years of hardship but we will be ok in the end. I am sure people forget that once upon a time we wasn’t in the EU and we functioned perfectly fine.

Also

But if those two years come before an election, the opposition is likely to get in. They will disregard the referendum and plonk us back right into the EU cage.

originally posted by: Staycurious
I'm not going to pretend I have a lot of knowledge about how leaving the eu should or will happen, what I notice is how the people of Great Britain are getting upset about not having the safety net of eu rules eu trade & being a member of the club, yes we should be very concerned about how this will pan out, but how on earth did we get to the point that we are worried about so much because we will no longer belong to the club, people are panicking because the eu is so controlling why are we so desperate to stay under their power? I think of all the memes that were being posted around after the Brexit vote of pictures of milkman still delivering the milk through bombed streets during the war. & that really was the British attitude of keep calm and carry on. What would those people think of us now. Imagine if we could transport past generations right from those scenes of those pictures to right now, where they would hear us worrying how we can't cope without the eu membership & we're so worried about how negotiations with the Germans are going & how our government is not making negotiations nice & simple & easy. What do you think they would think ? I think they'd have a stroke. we have somehow lost that part of us & while the eu Union has been fantastic for a lot, we have got to a point where we literally worry about being in the big wide world without being part of it Great Britain is scared we can't be great without the rest of Europe. Like I said before I wont pretend to know a great amount about how this is going to play out or even how we should play it out. I just believe that a lot of the fear and the dread in this country about leaving should cause us to pause & think, how on earth did we go from those pictures of drinking cups of tea amongst the ruins of the blitz with a stiff upper lip to being so terrified of the consequences of being a free independent Great Britain.

Those generations are still here. They're the ones who voted for Brexit. They gave the lives of their relatives and children to prevent the UK from being ruled from Germany. At the last minute of signing, the EU tacked on an amendment that the waters of Norway and the UK would become a common resource for all countries. At the same time, we also signed the Lima Declaration of 1975.

originally posted by: Painterz
You mean the undemocratic EU for which we all hold elections for every 4 years because it is literally democratic and accountable to the voters, despite most Leave voters not understanding that the EU is a democratically elected body?

I don't think leave voters thought that. You are attempting to stereotype. After all we all vote (or not) for our MEPs. However, a citizen of Luxembourg has a ten times more influence than me - a mere Englishman. This is the apportionment of MEPs per capita. Citizens of 24 (of the 27) states have greater influence than me - or you, assuming you are a Brit. Now, I can rant and rave about democracy, but where's the democratic principle that one vote does not have an equal weight in the European elections?

EU MEP apportionment

Where else? Ah, yes. The Commission. The President of the Commission is Jean-Claude Juncker, who was voted into post by the European Parliament, which was nice, except he was the only name on the ballot paper. The 28 commissioners are unelected and they make treaties and enforce EU law.

Blah, blah. People don't make it up when they say the EU has a democratic deficit.

originally posted by: stormcell
But if those two years come before an election, the opposition is likely to get in. They will disregard the referendum and plonk us back right into the EU cage.

How so? The Labour Party is behind the principle of Brexit, even though it is (rightly) attacking the Tories for the ongoing clusterf*ck they're making of it.

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: fusiondoe

Yes, clean break.

The EU's days are numbered anyways. The UK will get its deal then. Mark my words.

..........."The UK will get its deal then. Mark my words."

There won't be a UK by that time.....some people are just going through life in jingoistic sleepwalking.

a reply to: alldaylong

Thatcher said and done a lot of things, very little of which was to the betterment of the common everyday British citizen.

Quite a few Miners and steelworkers lost a hell of a lot and suffered tremendously because of that witch and her governments rhetoric, not to mention a few million school weans that got their milk taxed.

originally posted by: smurfy
There won't be a UK by that time.....some people are just going through life in jingoistic sleepwalking.

Do you have a crystal ball or are you just sharing personal assertion?

Has no-one been watching the pound lately, Has no-one been paying attention to the rises in food prices of late. Have you tried buying from abroad recently, and i'm not talking a cheap set of screw driver from amazon for under a 5er. I was quoted £300 for a car part, the part jumped to £400 in a week. A friend of mine buys guitar parts from the US on a bi-monthly basis, He's put things on hold for now because the pound to dollar has went tits up.

Are you all blind ffs.

And we havn't even left the EU yet. There will be a major crash in 2018,...You Watch... it'll make these last 9 years seem like a gold rush.

a reply to: andy06shake

Quite a few Miners and steelworkers lost a hell of a lot and suffered tremendously because of that witch and her governments rhetoric

Those where nationalised industries which where of no consequence to Thatcher.

She only believed in private enterprise. Government subsides to industry are forbidden under E.U. rules.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: alldaylong

Thatcher said and done a lot of things, very little of which was to the betterment of the common everyday British citizen.

Quite a few Miners and steelworkers lost a hell of a lot and suffered tremendously because of that witch and her governments rhetoric, not to mention a few million school weans that got their milk taxed.

Well said my man, people have such short memories!

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Cheers for the doom porn, really gets me going, even without a blue pill

originally posted by: Staycurious
I'm not going to pretend I have a lot of knowledge about how leaving the eu should or will happen, what I notice is how the people of Great Britain are getting upset about not having the safety net of eu rules eu trade & being a member of the club, yes we should be very concerned about how this will pan out, but how on earth did we get to the point that we are worried about so much because we will no longer belong to the club, people are panicking because the eu is so controlling why are we so desperate to stay under their power? I think of all the memes that were being posted around after the Brexit vote of pictures of milkman still delivering the milk through bombed streets during the war. & that really was the British attitude of keep calm and carry on. What would those people think of us now. Imagine if we could transport past generations right from those scenes of those pictures to right now, where they would hear us worrying how we can't cope without the eu membership & we're so worried about how negotiations with the Germans are going & how our government is not making negotiations nice & simple & easy. What do you think they would think ? I think they'd have a stroke. we have somehow lost that part of us & while the eu Union has been fantastic for a lot, we have got to a point where we literally worry about being in the big wide world without being part of it Great Britain is scared we can't be great without the rest of Europe. Like I said before I wont pretend to know a great amount about how this is going to play out or even how we should play it out. I just believe that a lot of the fear and the dread in this country about leaving should cause us to pause & think, how on earth did we go from those pictures of drinking cups of tea amongst the ruins of the blitz with a stiff upper lip to being so terrified of the consequences of being a free independent Great Britain.

This^^^^^ best comment I’ve seen in a long time!

My grandparents and many others who fought in the war must be turning in their graves

originally posted by: fusiondoe

originally posted by: Staycurious
I'm not going to pretend I have a lot of knowledge about how leaving the eu should or will happen, what I notice is how the people of Great Britain are getting upset about not having the safety net of eu rules eu trade & being a member of the club, yes we should be very concerned about how this will pan out, but how on earth did we get to the point that we are worried about so much because we will no longer belong to the club, people are panicking because the eu is so controlling why are we so desperate to stay under their power? I think of all the memes that were being posted around after the Brexit vote of pictures of milkman still delivering the milk through bombed streets during the war. & that really was the British attitude of keep calm and carry on. What would those people think of us now. Imagine if we could transport past generations right from those scenes of those pictures to right now, where they would hear us worrying how we can't cope without the eu membership & we're so worried about how negotiations with the Germans are going & how our government is not making negotiations nice & simple & easy. What do you think they would think ? I think they'd have a stroke. we have somehow lost that part of us & while the eu Union has been fantastic for a lot, we have got to a point where we literally worry about being in the big wide world without being part of it Great Britain is scared we can't be great without the rest of Europe. Like I said before I wont pretend to know a great amount about how this is going to play out or even how we should play it out. I just believe that a lot of the fear and the dread in this country about leaving should cause us to pause & think, how on earth did we go from those pictures of drinking cups of tea amongst the ruins of the blitz with a stiff upper lip to being so terrified of the consequences of being a free independent Great Britain.

This^^^^^ best comment I’ve seen in a long time!

My grandparents and many others who fought in the war must be turning in their graves

Yeah, Lets all just get the tetley on and union flags out as we gather round the old piano for a chorus of knees up matha bran. Ahh...Feel better already.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Has no-one been watching the pound lately, Has no-one been paying attention to the rises in food prices of late. Have you tried buying from abroad recently, and i'm not talking a cheap set of screw driver from amazon for under a 5er. I was quoted £300 for a car part, the part jumped to £400 in a week. A friend of mine buys guitar parts from the US on a bi-monthly basis, He's put things on hold for now because the pound to dollar has went tits up.

Are you all blind ffs.

And we havn't even left the EU yet. There will be a major crash in 2018,...You Watch... it'll make these last 9 years seem like a gold rush.

Whats crazy is that when you point out stuff like this you will be accused of scaremongering or that this is just what "they" (the eu) want to keep us so scared of economic doom that we change our minds and remain.

The only problem is that right now this is a very very real problem, right after the vote the pound tanked, I don't think its ever actually recovered, economicaly this is going to be a disaster when we finally pull it. It only makes sense that the EU are going to want to make it very difficult for us, in fact the ideal situation for the EU is either that we change our minds or that we leave then go into deep ecumenic crisis so they can hold the UK up as a example of what happens when you leave the EU.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

It only makes sense that the EU are going to want to make it very difficult for us,

The E.U. are playing their last hand by trying to frighten The U.K. in changing it's mind about leaving.

And it's working on some people.

The E.U. exports £280 billion of goods to The U.K. each year. There is no way they would wish to sacrifice that.