About the Vegas Killer... newest info

a reply to: audubon


Coolio

a reply to: pale5218

www.liveleak.com...

This is what I have observed:
Notice the "helicopter" goes from let to right starting at 2:28 then notice the 2 "security" guys
with head pieces walk through before shooting begins. Then see the same "security/escorts" about 4:05 ish by grey SUV with magnetic sign that says something "resorts". I findthe "helicopter" timing interesting as well as the "security/escorts". Sorry to answer you so late.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Onlyyouknow

That story is from a very disreputable source which got that story from another disreputable source Neon Nettles. The valet has not disappeared after giving the interview to kitv.com there is zero evidence to support that since he has been posting on facebook after the interview

Good to know. I don't have loads of time and am mainly am a Night Owl. Who who
Peace be with you

a reply to: Onlyyouknow

You're welcome

a reply to: St Udio

Interesting...

I heard the immediate claim of ISIS followed closely by the denial of the FBI---long before they'd had time to view all the evidence, before they'd even gone to his houses if memory serves me.

I can see this as a joint deepstate/ISIS operation easily enough since it would seem that members of that bunch were instrumental in setting up and funding ISIS. I can even lay out a scenario where the man being named as Stephen Paddock never fired a gun in that hotel.

There was a "leak" about the keycard to his suite being used while the parking garage receipts showed him as being away from the hotel on Saturday I believe it was. I'm very interested in who entered that room while he was away and did the person/s entering the room have a baggage cart with them? I can see the black ops guys going to his house, stealing every gun there and a ton of ammo, loading it up and taking it to the hotel where they stash it under the bed in his room. You can hide a lot of stuff under a king-sized bed box springs. They leave and wait for the right time to carry this off.

It was reported that the professional gambler spent eight hours in the casino on Sunday then retired to his room to shoot over nearly 600 people. But if I were setting up this terror attack to make the gambler a patsy, I would have watched his actions very carefully and marked when he usually left the casino floor, whether he ever took a break and went up to his room...those sorts of things. So, having learned that he would spend eight hours straight in the casino I would have plenty of time to send in the black ops boys to gather the cached weapons, ammo and electronic equipment and set the scene. (Heck, I might have even arranged to hold a "shooter in the hotel" drill a few weeks prior to the event for practice.)

The gambler puts in his eight hours and retires to his suite to be greeted by very bad men who kill him and then proceed to shoot over 600 more people from the "nest." Observing the security guard's retreat, the bad guys duck into a room nearby, strip their clothes and hide in the bathroom so when the cops come they are escorted to safety in the hotel lobby. Heck, I'm even willing to believe the security guard could be a handmaiden of the black ops boys.

At this point I'll believe the butler did it if they're showing me some evidence. They really do seem to be using the old stand-by---angry, disgruntled white guy snaps and shoots hundreds. Lone wolf. Except this guy was a multi-millionaire who is reported to be a kind and caring guy who wanted to see that folks were taken care of. What did he have to be angry about? It is apparent he knew how to make money in real estate. Investing in real estate is a form of gambling. Ask any failed real estate developer. He reported making quite a bit of coin gambling as well if the reports of his taxes are accurate. (Wonder how some reporter found his tax returns but can't find Trump's?

So, if you've got enough money and property to be able to give away $100k, what's to be disgruntled about? Do his financial transactions show him giving money to other people? His family, particularly his Mom? Or was he just a guy who enjoyed gambling and taking cruises with his girlfriend?

I'm trying to patiently wait for the authorities to wade through....and perhaps explain some of the rather cryptic statements we've heard about the possibility of radicalization or "help" in some way. Are those hundreds of agents around the world who are following leads visiting all the cruise lines he used? And the passenger manifests of those cruises? My guess would be that they are following those trails and perhaps someday they'll tell us what they learned.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Holy Moly! What a job you've done there! Thanks... I'll be spending more time than I thought on this tonight... It's getting harder to keep up with the latest.

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: spy66
Who ever was working the lights on that stage that night would have been a interesting individual to speak to. This individual must know something.

Definitely. But I'm pretty sure he's getting a lot of pressure not to talk, perhaps even from the band, but also from authorities. And they could have him and everyone involved under gag order for all we know. If they could convince a judge that it pertains to national security, they could even get secret gag orders in a secret ruling after a secret motion...

Oh dear. Now I sound like Speed Racer and his secret meetings in secret rooms in secret buildings in secret cities... but this is real life! Arg!!!

Anyway, while it's all quite bizarre with the lights, I am glad the folks had lights to see where they were going while fleeing. I think it helped more folks get away safely than if they'd been fumbling and panicking and running in the dark.

I heard an interview with a member of the crew that was running the sound that night. I think it was coming from a Nashville station. The news crew had caught them arriving at the Nashville airport to interview them. The guy whose interview I heard was a sound tech, not the crew chief. He said the crew chief, a veteran, was the first to recognize that a gun was being fired. He credited that guy with saving quite a few lives. Apparently a shot from the that first volley hit a piece of equipment near the chief, tipping him off that it was gunfire. He hit the kill switch for the sound according to the tech, then the light guy killed the stage lights.

I think those lights above the stage are emergency lights that come on automatically when the stage lights are cut off but I don't know that for an absolute fact. Wish I could find that interview but it looks like I'm going to have to do a lot of digging. I was in a waiting room and only heard part of the report. There was also a piece about the funeral for Sonny Melton, the Big Sandy, TN victim being held the next day so I guess it was on the 9th but Google isn't giving it up to me.

Anyway, it was sound roadie who had a lot of praise for the crew chief who was quick to recognize what was happening and got a lot of people to safety. He felt he owed his safety to the quick thinking and quick actions of his chief and the police who came to lead them to safety. He talked about how long ten minutes can be... I don't think he was even asked about what he thought about the origin of the shots.

a reply to: Onlyyouknow

Apparently he is missing now...

I believe YourNewsWire simply repeated an unfounded claim by a very questionable blog. I tried to follow up on this, and he's not "missing," he's just chosen not to be in the public eye. His family knows where he is, and I'm sure the FBI knows where he is, we just don't know where he is. But his family did make a statement that he removed his social media due to harassment. That's his prerogative and I can't blame the guy.

ETA: Sorry... didn't mean to pile on... I see others already responded. I'm just catching up and responded to the comments in my box before reading the whole thread. My bad!

a reply to: diggindirt

Thanks, Dirt! I'll give Spy66 a heads up to your comment, since he mentioned it to me.

I think those lights above the stage are emergency lights that come on automatically when the stage lights are cut off but I don't know that for an absolute fact.

I've wondered if that was an automatic thing... perhaps those floodlights came on automatically after the show, when folks would be leaving and needing lights. I figured it was probably programmed in somehow or somewhere. Isn't everything?

a reply to: spy66

I thought you'd want to see diggindirt's reply to me about an interview she saw about the lights.

a reply to: diggindirt

I heard an interview with a member of the crew that was running the sound that night. I think it was coming from a Nashville station. The news crew had caught them arriving at the Nashville airport to interview them. The guy whose interview I heard was a sound tech, not the crew chief. He said the crew chief, a veteran, was the first to recognize that a gun was being fired. He credited that guy with saving quite a few lives. Apparently a shot from the that first volley hit a piece of equipment near the chief, tipping him off that it was gunfire. He hit the kill switch for the sound according to the tech, then the light guy killed the stage lights.

I think those lights above the stage are emergency lights that come on automatically when the stage lights are cut off but I don't know that for an absolute fact. Wish I could find that interview but it looks like I'm going to have to do a lot of digging. I was in a waiting room and only heard part of the report. There was also a piece about the funeral for Sonny Melton, the Big Sandy, TN victim being held the next day so I guess it was on the 9th but Google isn't giving it up to me.

Anyway, it was sound roadie who had a lot of praise for the crew chief who was quick to recognize what was happening and got a lot of people to safety. He felt he owed his safety to the quick thinking and quick actions of his chief and the police who came to lead them to safety. He talked about how long ten minutes can be... I don't think he was even asked about what he thought about the origin of the shots.

(sigh) I think it's pretty safe to now say; with all the conflicting information, conflicting reports, misinformation, obfuscation of information, suppression of video and the like, it's doubtful we will ever really get the true story about what really happened on Oct 1st 2017 in Las Vegas.

It's a sad statement, but in the end I think this is what the authorities really wanted all along...saturation to the point of apathy. Leak such a tidal wave of information, all while officially saying next to nothing, that people will just throw their hands up and say WTF and move on. After they get done reading all the forums, all the theories and all the news reports, then they will go back and carefully 'construct' a narrative which exonerates all public officials, implicates the bad actors and supports the overall political agenda going forward.

Really, isn't this what it has been about all along?

That is all.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I think you're right... mostly right... but they've gotten cocky and they're going to overplay their hand (if they haven't already).

Plenty of people all over the country -- all over the world! -- know they are lying. They know what they saw and what they experienced while they were there, and many of them have told their friends and family, and many of them are screaming it from the rooftops. Every time they pull this crap, the people get a little smarter about their games. The next time something like this happens, people who didn't speak up the first time will speak up the next time... others will remember the rumors and lies and suspicions, and they'll be paying more attention and be more ready to speak up.

Despite their best efforts to turn us all into sniveling and whining cowards afraid of our own shadows, I think we have much greater mettle -- which they have grossly underestimated. But push will come to shove, and I'm betting on the people.

a reply to: diggindirt

There was a "leak" about the keycard to his suite being used while the parking garage receipts showed him as being away from the hotel on Saturday

Which again, was later retracted as an error (like many other "leaks")

I think after 2 weeks what still bugs me the most is the fact that Paddock made no attempt whatsoever to hide, he was very visible in all the time he was there, doing everything in his own name or gf's, even to the point of ordering room service and complaining twice about music from another room. This just doesn't seem the actions of a man about to commit a pre-planned mass murder!

But then again, we humans do have a psychological need to know the whys and wherefores so we can put it to bed

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Which again, was later retracted as an error (like many other "leaks")

I don't get that... how exactly does one make such a mistake? I have a growing suspicion that someone is creating "evidence" out of whole cloth to "leak" in a gotcha game with the Feds. Perhaps because they know that the Feds are doing the same thing. Are we witnessing a war of duelling fake evidence?

I think after 2 weeks what still bugs me the most is the fact that Paddock made no attempt whatsoever to hide, he was very visible in all the time he was there, doing everything in his own name or gf's, even to the point of ordering room service and complaining twice about music from another room. This just doesn't seem the actions of a man about to commit a pre-planned mass murder!

It sure doesn't!!! All the more reason I don't think Paddock had anything to do with the shooting itself. Maybe leading up to it, for his own purposes -- but the shootings weren't part of his plans. However, he sure makes a good patsy, eh?

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: diggindirt

Thanks, Dirt! I'll give Spy66 a heads up to your comment, since he mentioned it to me.

I think those lights above the stage are emergency lights that come on automatically when the stage lights are cut off but I don't know that for an absolute fact.

I've wondered if that was an automatic thing... perhaps those floodlights came on automatically after the show, when folks would be leaving and needing lights. I figured it was probably programmed in somehow or somewhere. Isn't everything?

But the show wasn't supoosed to have been over yet....so the programming angle for the lights doesn't hold up....

a reply to: KansasGirl

But the show wasn't supoosed to have been over yet....so the programming angle for the lights doesn't hold up....

That would depend on how the lighting was programmed. The computer program doesn't know when the show is "supposed" to be over. It would only know when the computer program is ended. I was responding to this part of Dirt's comment:

...then the light guy killed the stage lights.

I think those lights above the stage are emergency lights that come on automatically when the stage lights are cut off but I don't know that for an absolute fact.

The lighting could have been programmed for the overhead floodlights to come on as soon as the lighting program for the show ended. By the light guy killing their program for the lighting, that could automatically result in the lights coming on -- either by programming it to do so, or automatically when the show lighting program ended.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I think you're right... mostly right... but they've gotten cocky and they're going to overplay their hand (if they haven't already).

Plenty of people all over the country -- all over the world! -- know they are lying. They know what they saw and what they experienced while they were there, and many of them have told their friends and family, and many of them are screaming it from the rooftops. Every time they pull this crap, the people get a little smarter about their games. The next time something like this happens, people who didn't speak up the first time will speak up the next time... others will remember the rumors and lies and suspicions, and they'll be paying more attention and be more ready to speak up.



Despite their best efforts to turn us all into sniveling and whining cowards afraid of our own shadows, I think we have much greater mettle -- which they have grossly underestimated. But push will come to shove, and I'm betting on the people.

Very very well said Boadicea.

Here comes some more video links, a couple very interesting ones I dare say; especially the very long one of Orrora Monroe.

Additional video links:

Las Vegas radio communications - multiple shooters.
www.liveleak.com...

LAS VEGAS SHOOTING EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT AS SEEN FROM WITHIN THE MANDALAY BAY HOTEL (*echo canyon) - sounds of automatic fire) From balcony?
www.youtube.com...

Running from concert through gates on East side. See first group rush to exit after Aldean says "we're going to pick it up".
www.youtube.com...

Las Vegas Witness:"I saw the first person shot" | Two Shooters?
www.youtube.com...
Interview by FOX channel 5 live at 1:45 am. at corner of Polaris and Hacienda. Girl states she saw the first victim fall behind her and took off running leaving friends behind when more shooting followed. Says she "definitely thought" there were multiple shooters, seemed to follow her as she ran towards the airport. Could still hear shots from inside the airport (unsure if building or grounds). * Girl seems very composed, not disturbed or exhausted. Hair and clothes seem normal. Begins to smile several times later in interview. Doesn't seem authentic.

Gio Rios - Las Vegas Eyewitness Report of Multiple Shooters at the Tropicana and NyNy
www.youtube.com...

Las Vegas Shooting Eyewitness Orrora Monroe of Detroit at Planet Hollywood, hears shot at Yollo's Mexican restaurant. Says gunfire was within half a block. Brother said shootings reported at Bellagio and Aria by phone. Bomb threat at the Luxor hotel, Homeland Security present. Heard on emergency radio paramedics were being shot at at the Tropicana. She saw no MSM in her area.Said that cashier had a cousin working security who said a shooter was in the crowd.
www.youtube.com...

ACTIVE SHOOTER PLANET HOLLYWOOD
www.facebook.com...

a reply to: Boadicea



Thank you. These reports are starting to show up more and more. But it is as many have said. Homeland Security have taken controll over all the information flow. They are creating narrativs as fast as New questions are asked.


I am pritty sure this event will die Down. And later it will be used to push through some New laws.


If this event is government sponsored.....what can we do. The government have so many Security layers to protect themselves With.

a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

Thank you -- And I'm so glad you agree. We don't live in fear and subservience. We are citizens, not subjects. As we know better, we will do better.

The PTB ain't seen nothin' yet.