Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

originally posted by: Grambler
On that politicians claims about silencers..

Does anyone who knows about guns more than me know can you effectively put a silencer on an automatic gun of the caliber that people think was used?

You can put a silencer on almost anything.

a reply to: UKTruth

I bet in that situation he wasn't caring about the costs. He planned his suicide, you don't care about costs when you never have to pay possible loans back, because you are dead.

This smells like a Sandy Hook to me. I'm sure the authorities will wrap it up nice and neat however.

originally posted by: wantsome

originally posted by: Grambler
On that politicians claims about silencers..

Does anyone who knows about guns more than me know can you effectively put a silencer on an automatic gun of the caliber that people think was used?

You can put a silencer on almost anything.

Except my wife.........

ba da bing.....thanks for the setup.

Got to lighten the mood.

originally posted by: Grambler
On that politicians claims about silencers..

Does anyone who knows about guns more than me know can you effectively put a silencer on an automatic gun of the caliber that people think was used?

There's really no info on what gun he used so this is impossible to answer at this point. In general, guns don't come capable of fitting a suppressor. However, there are aftermarket barrels you can buy for most calibers that have the necessary threading to fit a suppressor. There are also different kinds of suppressors. It's complicated.

If he used one it would not have made much difference. As another poster pointed out, most people didn't react to the sound of shots because they thought it was something else. They reacted to seeing people hit, which would happen whether the weapon is suppressed or not.

a reply to: UKTruth

not for those russian oligarchs...

what the heck, it seems every other group out there has someone trying to pin the blame on them..
wouldn't want putin to feel left out!!

we probably will never know what the real story behind this is..
the guy was a crazy is all that I can say for sure, since, it takes a real special kind of crazy to kill so many strangers like that.

originally posted by: Grambler
On that politicians claims about silencers..

Does anyone who knows about guns more than me know can you effectively put a silencer on an automatic gun of the caliber that people think was used?

You can suppress any weapon platform technically....The problem is with the gas pressure and sub sonic rounds producing enough pressure to cycle the weapon....

a reply to: Grambler

Given the current moderator's view of what is permissible, I was afraid to ask the same thing. But on the off chance this aspect will deemed permissible to discuss...

In a crowd that size, and considering the apparent weapons used, once people started dropping, would the resulting panic and outcome have been any different?

a reply to: face23785

You're hit before you ever hear the gunshots.

She's nuts to use this event as an example. Silencers are for sneaking around, infiltrating, getting in and getting out

a reply to: ChrisM101

If it's not a Muslim then just go with an anti-Trumper, they're basically the same thing anyways, right? Win win.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Yet the Associated Press found that 23 of the 27 major Strip casinos have no surveillance in hotel hallways or elevator landings. All but four of the 27 hotels are owned by MGM Resorts International, Caesars Entertainment Corp., Las Vegas Sands Corp. or Wynn Resorts Ltd.

That is indeed fascinating.

Thanks for the info, I honestly would have thought there would be cameras upon cameras.

Even adjoining rooms is a courtesy thing more than anything though. If someone really wants to, an interior hotel door separating rooms is no obstacle to a determined miscreant.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: face23785

You're hit before you ever hear the gunshots.

She's nuts to use this event as an example. Silencers are for sneaking around, infiltrating, getting in and getting out

exactly....If it's you getting hit you will never hear the shot....Faster than the speed of sound ...

Weird that you can clearly hear multiple shooters in the videos but it's "a lone gunman".
Repeating patterns.

a reply to: GuidedKill

I suppose the argument is that the resulting sound provides ample warning to others to take cover. But of course, that really didn't apply to this situation. Those people were fish in a barrel. It didn't matter what they might of heard.

I don't want to step on America toes in the whole gun discussion - but events like today look like absolute insanity from the outside looking in. Why on earth is a citizen holed up in a hotel with 10 legally held guns? It's nuts.

Of course, you can counter this with talk of knives and terrorist bombs - but there's only one reason that 58 people are dead and 515 others are injured.

I'm sorry, you guys really need to have a think about this. It's notable that this only really happens with any regularity in one country.

My condolences to those affected.

originally posted by: MisterSpock

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Jonjonj

To me, it'll be interesting to see what the surveillance inside the hotel shows.

BUT....

Here's an article from 2013 that talks about how few hotels in Vegas have cameras beyond the lobby and casino areas.

That might have changed, and I can't imagine they'd broadcast "hey we installed cameras all over the hotel resident areas" but it's an interesting point.

Due to the risk of assaults(physical/sexual) and theft I'd assume most hotels would cover main hallways/runways and elevator areas.

Now, the odds of ever seeing it may be slim to none, but I'd assume it would exist.

Well, read the article. That point is specifically addressed.

The other concern is lawsuits. If casinos set up hallway cameras but ignored the footage, guests might sue for negligence, according to Les Gold, who litigates liability issues for Mitchell Silberberg & Knupp in New York City. “When they put these cameras in, it deters crime,” he said. “But to have a camera that is not monitored is a huge mistake.”

"I would say that's a good match. It appears to me to be him and Marilou at an anti-Trump rally. The NASA shirt also adds credibility since he lived on the "space coast" of Florida before moving there

Not sure - here is the best comparison from the video. Some similar facial structures but can we really be sure????"



Totally different jaw shape though.

Come on folks, trying to pin this on a pro-Trump or anti-Trump protest movement at this early stage is pretty unnacceptable, no?

originally posted by: smarterthanyou
Weird that you can clearly hear multiple shooters in the videos but it's "a lone gunman".
Repeating patterns.

You actually don't hear that in the video.

And if it was staged, and this guy was a patsy, why wouldn't you just have 2 patsies, knowing there would be plenty of recordings of the shooting?

Use your head.

FBI says no known connection to ISIS.

a reply to: face23785

What video were you watching? There are two guns firing at the same time at several points.