Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: RomeByFire

You sound like you just joined ATS yesterday.

This is the third time in this thread you've wanted to make the topic about me.

Sorry, man, I'm taken.

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: RomeByFire

You sound like you just joined ATS yesterday.

a reply to: GuidedKill

i agree as far as a modified trigger group, but reflection i have to wonder. if that was the case you would think that there would be more than one window reflecting it. not just one and it looks to be the center of it.

originally posted by: jommison
Could the flashing on the 4th floor be a strobe light set up to confuse the police as to where the gunfire is coming from? It wouldnt even have to be in a room on the fourth floor just tie some rope onto it and danglle outside the window, would explain people reporting multiple floors as where the gunfire came fromand only one floor having its windows smashed.

But the windows do not open. So, that people do not fall/leap to their death. Your ides would require the light be lowered all the way down from the rooftop.

Unlikely.

I would propose it was a reflection of the stage lighting is more likely.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Sure...

Or: Occam's Razor.

Sometimes an miserable old grump with a grudge is a miserable old grump with a gun.

I am willing to guarantee he is not ISIS (as claimed by ISIS) or a cult follower, or some guy who lost all his money in the casino.

He was a miserable old prick with a grudge and he went out like a coward. Sometimes (not always) it is just that simple.

a reply to: RomeByFire

I'm just trying to figure out why you are so angry and aggressive throughout this entire thread, which is on a conspiracy web site.

Why don't you actually add something of substance instead of attacking people you disagree with, for whatever reason.

a reply to: Krakatoa

In just that one particular window? In time with the gunshots? And what stage lighting flashes like a strobe for that length of time? You'd have folk having seizures! lol plus there were no flashing stage lights in any of the videos I've seen at the time of the shooting

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I watched the video a few post back.
That was not an AR15 semi auto rifle.
That was a full auto weapon.
He did not purchase that at the corner sporting goods store.
Can't wait to hear what the police say the weapons are. Will they tell the truth?

Actually its entirely possible he did and then modified it to shoot full auto. He also had multiple weapons.

That is exactly what I am thinking as well
You are 2 for 2 in my book

My vet buddies are saying M16, it comes ready to rock and roll as they told me. I still haven't seen the weapons descriptions in a report. I bet something like that. US military weapon.

And , I found out earlier in the thread when I went to post info on a SAW , that you too can buy one online now.
As I stated , I am definitely pro 2nd , but that should be a no-no for any civilian

originally posted by: Domo1
Saw this mentioned elsewhere.

The Texas Tower massacre shooter had a brain tumor. In his suicide note he said that he had been to a doctor for headaches and overwhelmingly powerful feelings of violence. Doctor gave him some painkillers.

This is TOTAL speculation, but could a brain tumor or something else similar cause the guy to start gambling more and more heavily, taking greater risk, then eventually lead to the "snapping"?

While the odds are low, I think your speculation could definitely be possible. I had a brain tumor removed about 6 years ago, from which I have slowly healed. It was in the part of my brain that regulates emotions (the hippocampus) - among other things, and it pressed on a few other regions as well. Testing confirmed these areas were highly compromised and dysfunctional.

In retrospect, I now believe my problems at the time with addiction, depression, anger, violence, risky behavior and poor decision making, and so many other things like that were directly related to the tumor. The doctors had mentioned this, but I never believed them at the time and blamed myself for being just 'a terrible person.' After it was removed, I changed and was a completely different (and better) person. So while I am not a doctor and cannot definitely say yes, I absolutely believe a tumor can cause someone to engage in those behaviors and do crazy things.


That said, I am so, so sorry for those who have been affected by this evil act.. it breaks my heart for all the families who have lost their loved ones it could have been any one of us, or any of our loved ones - just absolutely heart-wrenching.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Krakatoa

In just that one particular window? In time with the gunshots? And what stage lighting flashes like a strobe for that length of time? You'd have folk having seizures! lol plus there were no flashing stage lights in any of the videos I've seen at the time of the shooting

The sound echoes reflecting off that glass, in time with the shots fired, could make a solid light source seem to flash in time with the gunshots. The windows are mirrored windows, and would act as such from vibrations.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Watch this video to hear a converted AR15 to fully auto. Listen to how fast it shoots, then watch again the video showing the murderer using the m16. Each shot has more delay between shots in the m16 used by the murderer. What it means is that the weapon wasn't converted, but it's an original m16 which has fully automatic mode.

Are you serious??? You obviously have no experience in weapons if oh think what’s on that video is a stock m16 fully auto... just my opinion. If it comes out that’s its an original automatic machine gun then I’ll concede I was wrong.... i just don’t think that’s going to be the case.

I’ll just give you a little hint. I’m ex LE, worked SWAT and have fired all the weapons we are discussing to include factory automatic machine guns to modified weapons. My .02 is not based off call of duty games.

What do you guys think of this? This is getting weird.

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: RomeByFire

I'm just trying to figure out why you are so angry and aggressive throughout this entire thread, which is on a conspiracy web site.

Why don't you actually add something of substance instead of attacking people you disagree with, for whatever reason.

Fourth time.

Angry and aggressive? Oh yeah, so angry and aggressively sipping on my beer. You know me better than me, though.

I'm here to deny ignorance, and as I've said multiple times throughout this thread "I don't really know."

Perhaps I'd be better off making up stuff like Illuminati blood sacrifices?

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Krakatoa

In just that one particular window? In time with the gunshots? And what stage lighting flashes like a strobe for that length of time? You'd have folk having seizures! lol plus there were no flashing stage lights in any of the videos I've seen at the time of the shooting

The sound echoes reflecting off that glass, in time with the shots fired, could make a solid light source seem to flash in time with the gunshots. The windows are mirrored windows, and would act as such from vibrations.

That's a good point, honestly one I hadn't thought of.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I watched the video a few post back.
That was not an AR15 semi auto rifle.
That was a full auto weapon.
He did not purchase that at the corner sporting goods store.
Can't wait to hear what the police say the weapons are. Will they tell the truth?

Actually its entirely possible he did and then modified it to shoot full auto. He also had multiple weapons.

That is exactly what I am thinking as well
You are 2 for 2 in my book

My vet buddies are saying M16, it comes ready to rock and roll as they told me. I still haven't seen the weapons descriptions in a report. I bet something like that. US military weapon.

And , I found out earlier in the thread when I went to post info on a SAW , that you too can buy one online now.
As I stated , I am definitely pro 2nd , but that should be a no-no for any civilian

You can’t but a saw online... you can shop them online but still have to pay about 60-120 grand to buy a fully auto as well as pass a serous back ground check and open you home to random ATF inspections..

a reply to: Konduit

I think Paddock looks more like NASA guy than that other guy. But my eyes aren't good with blurry photos. Hopefully a photo will surface where his eyes are open instead of the "rigor mortis photoshop" as another poster mentioned.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: GuidedKill

i agree as far as a modified trigger group, but reflection i have to wonder. if that was the case you would think that there would be more than one window reflecting it. not just one and it looks to be the center of it.

It was just a guess on the reflection. I only say that because I know the windows in Vegas do not open.... they are sealed shut to prevent jumpers. So in order for there to be a shooter on a lower floor there should be a broken window

originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Watch this video to hear a converted AR15 to fully auto. Listen to how fast it shoots, then watch again the video showing the murderer using the m16. Each shot has more delay between shots in the m16 used by the murderer. What it means is that the weapon wasn't converted, but it's an original m16 which has fully automatic mode.

Are you serious??? You obviously have no experience in weapons if oh think what’s on that video is a stock m16 fully auto... just my opinion. If it comes out that’s its an original automatic machine gun then I’ll concede I was wrong.... i just don’t think that’s going to be the case.

I’ll just give you a little hint. I’m ex LE, worked SWAT and have fired all the weapons we are discussing to include factory automatic machine guns to modified weapons. My .02 is not based off call of duty games.

Did you stop to actually read what I wrote?...

Let me break it down to you since you seem to be very confused...

Watch this video to hear a converted AR15 to fully auto. Listen to how fast it shoots, then watch again the video showing the murderer using the m16. Each shot has more delay between shots in the m16 used by the murderer. What it means is that the weapon wasn't converted, but it's an original m16 which has fully automatic mode.



Better now?

Oh and btw, it seems that the shooter may have used more than one weapon.

...
So far, at least one has been identified as an AK-47 type rifle, outfitted with a stand to steady it and improve accuracy, said people close to the ongoing probe. Lombardo said the weapons that have been recovered range in caliber from .223, which is associated with AR-15 style rifles, and .308, which is a caliber commonly used in hunting rifles. Lombardo was unsure if any of the weapons were automatic. Scopes were also recovered on the scene, and at least one firearm was a handgun.
...

www.washingtonpost.com... utm_term=.a6ba7fc01b5a

The claim made above that he used a converted AR15 is BS... Look again the video I posted showing a modified AR15. All AR15 are semi-automatic. A converted AR15 would shoot too fast, like you saw in the video, and the magazine would run out really fast. The shooter wasn't using an AR 15 imo.

originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I watched the video a few post back.
That was not an AR15 semi auto rifle.
That was a full auto weapon.
He did not purchase that at the corner sporting goods store.
Can't wait to hear what the police say the weapons are. Will they tell the truth?

Actually its entirely possible he did and then modified it to shoot full auto. He also had multiple weapons.

That is exactly what I am thinking as well
You are 2 for 2 in my book

My vet buddies are saying M16, it comes ready to rock and roll as they told me. I still haven't seen the weapons descriptions in a report. I bet something like that. US military weapon.

And , I found out earlier in the thread when I went to post info on a SAW , that you too can buy one online now.
As I stated , I am definitely pro 2nd , but that should be a no-no for any civilian

You can’t but a saw online... you can shop them online but still have to pay about 60-120 grand to buy a fully auto as well as pass a serous back ground check and open you home to random ATF inspections..

Well according to media information the guy was apparently a millionaire.

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: butcherguy

Ok. So let's go with your theory . Then how do you explain muzzle flash matching the firing bursts on the 4th floor when the shooting was on the 34th floor?

Are you going to tell me it was a reflection ?
If so please explain .

Go with my theory?
I would have to have a theory about the flashes seen in the video.
I was just giving a reason that it is unlikely that a person was firing a firearm from the 4th floor of the Mandalay Bay.