Let´s talk about the usage of "NAZI".

a reply to: verschickter
It's your thread about Nazis. Tender feelings don't last long on ATS.

a reply to: MOMof3
A least amount of spine is required for discussions. Also, elephants never forget.

a reply to: verschickter

For some reason, my computer tends to underline things on this site in red when it thinks they are wrong. Nazi is one. It is only this site, so I assumed this site was doing it.

As for the German populace, they were swept up. The Jews knew they were getting the thin end, but even they were somewhat in the dark about the camps. There are a couple of graphic novels MAUS I & II that bring up that concept. They started bringing the Jews out to the camps gradually. And when they started, it was with the elderly. This was after the Jews were placed in ghettos I think, so they were suspicious, but the propaganda was that the elderly were being taken to the equivalent of Senior Living campuses and Assisted Living Centers.

a reply to: verschickter

Sorry if my sarcasm went right over your head. Ooookay let me explain it as to a 5yo..that is indeed what a nazi is,imo. Someone who wants the extermination of a group they hate. That clear enough for you?

a reply to: Raxoxane
Cute.

Sorry that your "imo"-opinion is not accurate. "That clear enough for you?"
Without google, what was the NSDAP? If you can´t answer that question [s]I[/s] you have no idea what you are talking about.

It´s basically very simple but that went right over your head. I´m not impressed the slightest by your false opinion (like you admited, it´s your opinion, not a fact).

a reply to: verschickter

And your hostility don't impress me at all.We all know what and who the original Nazi's were. These days the term seems to have broadened considerably. According to the left,everyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi. And among them there are those,even here on ATS,who advocates exterminating a group they hate. That is to me another definition of Nazi.

a reply to: Raxoxane

Hostility was brought up towards when you choose the rude tone with the 5yo.

That is to me another definition of Nazi.

Nice that you admit/finally make clear it´s your definition of what´s considered a Nazi and not the general one, like you tried to establish. At least you are honest in the end.

a reply to: ketsuko
another one who knows history, I´m seeing a little light at the end of the tunnel here

You probably know this but for the others:

There were so called "Blockwart"s (snitches in your street) who´d even sell native germans out to the regime. Make no mistake, if you denounced the regime, you could have blue eyes and the blondest hair but what you got at the end of the day was a bullet to the head.

I have the impression, that most non-german people think the whole population knew about the concentration camps from the beginning and that´s just not true. My own grandfather told me yes there were rumors about that but not gasing and slave work, more like camps before they get shipped out.

He told some anekdotes, for example that the americans were in generall, very friendly but only after they took all the spades, axes and forks from them. Not everytime of course, like the incident with his brother or his wife when she sneaked out in the middle of the night to get some yeast from the neighbors and got caught and put in an open cell. She probably would have died that night if not for her family sneaking out again, bringing her a heating bottle and some blankets.

The war ended a few days before he was called in. they were already searching for my grandfather because he refused and fled into the woods. Many germans were forced to fight and threatened with the family being tortured. So you do what you do to save your family. It was never the fight of the people on the war field, they didn´t know each others.

War is cruel and always fought on the backs of civilians.

a reply to: verschickter

Well to be honest you took a rude tone with me first,but no matter.And yes i am an honest person. It is obvious that the definition of what constitutes a Nazi has changed greatly in the popular lexicon. I know about the classic definition,but i was trying to point out the hypocrisy of some people (not you included) who are so quick to label a whole group of Americans as Nazi's - while advocating their extermination.Guess i should have made that clearer. Peace out.

a reply to: Raxoxane

I have to agree with verschickter on this one. Obviously someone who advocates mass murder is a horrible person, but nazism is/was a specific ideology and not just pure, unadulterated evil. People have been genociding in Rwanda for example, but that doesn't make them Nazis, they had their own beliefs and reasons for that. I wouldn't call Stalin a nazi either, even though he murdered, and even though Communism was as bad, or arguably worse, than nazism.

Edit: To add to that, I don't think most Trump supporters or alt-righters are nazis either. It does get thrown around by every side these days.

a reply to: Cutepants

Yes i did not express myself well. I know strictly speaking the Rwandans for instance,were not real Nazi's,nor Stalin. I was trying to make the point that the term is thrown around indeed so loosely,and seems to have become a part of the way of speech for a large part of the global population. So that a person who calls others Nazi's,for being just for instance, Trump supporters, does not have the moral high ground when they advocate the extermination of all Trump supporters.Because exterminating a group of people is obviously far more in line with the WW2 Nazi's than merely labelling people but letting them live. I thought my first post would be obvious,should have expressed it better.

a reply to: Raxoxane
It´s my writing style/grammar, if I get rude I start to curse. No hard feelings. In the maintime (I was abscent from ATS for three weeks) I noticed that contrary to what I saw, more then I thought are actually aware of the difference.

As for the quick labeling, I think the same about that.

a reply to: Iostsheep

Well, my grandfather on my mothers side (served on destroyers in the Royal Navy, during the second world war) was a community organiser and union man, a shop steward at Ford motor plant in Dagenham, who, upon return from the second world war, began getting involved with the effort to bring about welfare for the common good, extracting from the leadership a fitting result for the working people.

And as for left and right...

The paradigm of left and right was not developed in America, and our country has been operating with that general form in mind for longer than yours has actually existed, so in actual fact, of the two of us, I am in a better position to comment on the matter, since your understanding of it has been warped by living in the only country in the west which gets its definitions of these things completely wrong.

And again, those who were in Europe during the thirties and forties, know rather better than you do to, hence my grandfather on my fathers side (one of the D-Day landers, who also was involved in action deeper into Europe, and knew the enemy well enough to successfully dismember their defences and their assaults with equal aplomb), explaining to me that the Nazis were a far right organisation who had successfully penetrated the socialist left, then slaughtered them when they were no longer politically useful.

When I say Obama is a capitalist, I am informed by generations and generations of political understanding of a caliber which utterly crushes even the most advanced understanding you have ever shown, because your polarity parameters are simply wrong. Obama IS a capitalist, because if he was not he would have pulled all troops from all quarters, ceased all military operations save for observation and recon missions, ceased spending money bombing targets of little to no strategic or military value, would have made the practice of charging individuals for health insurance illegal and would have created a single payer system, then slammed it through congress to ensure no bastard EVER made money from medicine, at any level or in any way, like a decent, noble socialist would have. But no, he did not do that, and none of his proposals actually came close to socialism. Any solution to the healthcare issue that includes the private sector in any small way, would be totally unacceptable to a socialist. A socialist would insist that all cities have several state run hospitals, where all employees of it are employees of the state only, where all materials and equipment are state owned, where all drugs administered and surgeries performed, come at no up front cost to the patient, but are paid for by taxation.

He is not a damned socialist, and I would know, because I AM a socialist, and the closest he ever came, was a damned long way off.

And as for sex trafficking, are you telling me that you cannot see how a person has enough room in their mind to be concerned about both things? Are you also aware that the common person, no matter what political ideology they might have, can do precisely and absolutely NOTHING about sex trafficking, because the people who benefit from it have more power than they do? Are you aware that it makes no sense not to solve a problem, just because it is not the biggest one you have? Are you also aware, that sex trafficking would not occur in your country, if so many people in your country were not using the services being offered by the scum who run the affairs, if so many kids were not at risk and living on the streets because the system permitted their parents to abuse them, or permitted their parents to lose their homes and offer no alternative, despite the fact that the system you live in is what permitted the housing bubble to exist and to burst, at cost only to those who could have done nothing to prevent it at all?

Really?

You know NOTHING of socialism, not a damn thing. Its just a bogey man that some total lackwit fed to you as a bed time story, that you have not the slightest conception of the meaning of in real terms. Furthermore, you have no clue how my country works, otherwise you would not suggest that the Queen is ruler in any but a ceremonial sense. The Parliament, the government, those we elect, are the ones who make the law, pass it, and enforce it. Her Majesty does nothing in this country, other than to attract tourists in their droves (which accounts for a significant amount of our income as a nation), perform ceremonial functions, diplomatic functions with regard to galas, balls and other events held at her homes, and award medals.

Everything else, everything that you expect a state to do, is done by Parliament, and they do NOT run everything by her Majesty before doing it. She has next to know power, less in fact than I do. She is not permitted to have a say in the political structure of the country, she is not permitted to veto bills and prospective laws in this country, she is not permitted to interfere in the business of Parliament in the slightest, and that has been the case by law, for an ENORMOUS number of years.

Go back to school, preferably somewhere where the truth is not fed to you through a filter made of eagle feathers, xenophobia and the stars and stripes, and actually learn some history, then you might not make such an unutterable fool of yourself in the future, theres a good chap.

originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: Hecate666

Just adding that I got confused at you saying that the word NAzi has no Z in German. It bloody well has, because it is short for: Nazionalsozialist [National Socialist]. You wrote some stuff with c's in it that is english.

That´s the dumbest thing I heard this week.

Source: I'm German and speak German.

I´m sorry to tell a fellow german that the word "Nation" (same meaning as in english) is NOT written with a "z". you made me chuckly quite a bit!

Regardless, as a German YOU should know the difference between a neonazi and a nazi. It´s teached in school, did you fell asleep?

You actually got me there. I am woman enough to take my hat off and say you are right. Damn, must have been asleep at school. However nowhere does it state that I don't know the difference between a Neo Nazi and a Nazi. I didn't even mention it, so you must have meant someone else.

Here is my shamed face: (#^.^#)

a reply to: Hecate666
Because you made that mistake with the "z" I concluded you don´t know much at all about the topic and that was a mistake on my side.

I´m having multiple conversations and constantly people ignore sentence they seem fit so in the heat of the moment...

(hidden excuse)

Wouldn't expect it any other way.