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Let´s talk about the usage of "NAZI".

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posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: neo96

That's a big fat lie. Social issues and differences are normal. Genocide and cooking people in ovens is not normal.




posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 08:40 AM
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originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: ScepticScot
look for yourself, I´d say. Meanwhile, type "neonazism" or at least READ ONE source I posted.

To answer your other "yes/no" question. NAME the dictionary.

There´s more than one, you know? And most agree with me, just like -I repeat-

the press
the law
law-enforcement

typically everywhere neonazism is a concern, it´s widely known and accepted.



Cant answer a simple question? Where is Nazi defined legally as only relating to the period you claim?
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posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 08:41 AM
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In Fairness to verschickter's original "rant" post, people are getting all out of shape over a Very Simple statement.

The Statement being...the use of the term NAZI is INCORRECT in this day and age, as, NO Body is a member of the National Socialist Worker Party of Germany as it existed in the 1930s-40s.

Therefore, using the term NAZI for people with extreme (or even mild) Nationalistic or right conservative views, is Incorrect in our time frame.

The Correct modern term for people with ultra right, Fascist views is NEO-NAZI......in deference to Nazi.

Verschickter is trying to convey his German education to most ATS readers "English" education.

Modern Germany is embarrassed about its role in the past early to mid 20th century.....the USA, and the "Allies" relish the past as a "Victory" over tyranny.

We look at it as the, good ol winners, the Germans look at it historically.

He is correct...the use of NAZI in this day and age is wrong....the correct use of that description is Neo-Nazi.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Nope it isn't.



Aren’t these liberals, those reprobate defenders of individualism, ashamed to see the tears of the mothers and wives, or don’t these cold-blooded accountants even notice? Have they already grown so inhuman that they are no longer capable of feeling? It is understandable why bolshevism simply removed such creatures. They were worthless to humanity, nothing but an encumbrance to their Volk. Even the bees get rid of the drones when they can no longer be of service to the hive. The Bolshevik procedures are thus quite natural.


Nazis were collective anti liberal just like the current people running around silencing everyone they disagree with.



The party is all-embracing. It rules our lives in all their breadth and depth… There will be no license, no free space, in which the individual belongs to himself. This is Socialism… Let them then own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the party, is supreme over them, regardless whether they are owners or workers.


Their party is all embracing.

Nothing belongs to the individual.



To put it quite clearly: we have an economic programme. Point No. 13 in that programme demands the nationalisation of all public companies, in other words socialisation, or what is known here as socialism. … the basic principle of my Party’s economic programme should be made perfectly clear and that is the principle of authority… the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State; it is his duty not to misuse his possessions to the detriment of the State or the interests of his fellow countrymen. That is the overriding point. The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners. If you say that the bourgeoisie is tearing its hair over the question of private property, that does not affect me in the least. Does the bourgeoisie expect some consideration from me?… Today’s bourgeoisie is rotten to the core; it has no ideals any more; all it wants to do is earn money and so it does me what damage it can. The bourgeois press does me damage too and would like to consign me and my movement to the devil.


en.wikiquote.org...

The only thing the people that are running around calling others 'nazis' are doing is projecting on to them.





I will tolerate no opposition. We recognize only subordination – authority downwards and responsibility upwards.
You just tell the German bourgeoisie that I shall be finished with them far quicker than I shall with marxism... When once the conservative forces in Germany realize that only I and my party can win the German proletariat over to the State and that no parliamentary games can be played with marxist parties, then Germany will be saved for all time, then we can found a German Peoples State.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: verschickter
a reply to: ketsuko
What´s your view, I think you are educated about the issue (regarding the definition of nazi). What´s the correct definition of a "nazi".




At most, it should be very rarely used. I don't think there are very many who actually would fit that definition. Historical Nazis were defeated in Europe, and the ones everyone thinks of today in the US are very rare. When they rally, they muster a few hundred at most.

The term should be reserved for people who do verge into the territory of implying they actually do want to physically remove their ideological opponents rather than simply defeat their ideas by explaining why their own are better. I do make that implication from time to time. It will generally back someone off they were traveling, but not always and that's when it's disturbing.

And I think you can draw historical comparisons to this or that thing they did with things going on. Those comparisons work or not to greater or lesser degrees.

Also, in defense of capitalizing Nazi. The spellcheck on this site insists on it.
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posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 08:48 AM
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a reply to: verschickter

If the Nazis had won we'd all have nationalized healthcare...job security and likely be living on Mars



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 08:48 AM
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a reply to: verschickter

What where you saying then, that Merriam Webster put the second definition in there just as a joke? Or just to be derogatory? Just tongue in cheek?

Look for yourself, in this case the order is chronological: Merriam Webster


Order of Senses The order of senses within an entry is historical: the sense known to have been first used in English is entered first.



originally posted by: verschickter
My official truth? How ignorant. It´s not my truth. It´s teached in
every class,
the international press uses the correct term (most of the times),
the law knows the difference and also
law-enforcement.
Judges know the difference.

Just because most never heard about it and can´t believe their year long picture of the definition is simply wrong. I mean thats ignorant to the extreme.


It's teached in every class, but most have never heard about it?

Remember, I'm still not saying there is anything wrong with using the term Neo-Nazo. It doesn't have to be one or the other.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 08:51 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3
I can´t see where he writes about genocide and cooking people is normal.

from here on, not directed specially at you:

What most also don´t understand, that, until it was too late, most people didn´t knew where the "deploreables" were sent to. It was the general view that those were driven out of country. The concentrationcamps were sealed from the public. Only later on, when it went on for a while, people started to realize. My own grandfather stated the public only knew what the bought press serverd. (see the similarities)

Even if someone was in the NSDAP (national socialistic german worker party) those were aware of the concentration camps but most of the experiments were only known to high officials -just like everywhere in the world-.

And thinking, nobody stood up against them then is also wrong. Yes, they were sheeps in terms of AH, no argument here (see the similarities today). But by the time the public noticed and someone spoke up, they too were sent to the concentration camp.

Painting that broad picture is true unjust. Many germans from that time are guilty, true, but far from the majority. Just like the US soldiers that mowed down his brother on the field two weeks after the war ended by a driveby via plane. He was 16 and working on a field when he got cut in half like a saw, shotdown from behind while running to safety. 2 weeks after the war ended.

Regarding the war, most were really clueless.

NO ONE is as educated about WW2 like the germans. It´s a whole year in history class. I find it very ignorant that this delicate topic is so generalized with sentences like we all knew they were freezing children and what not.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Wise words! But I was more aiming at a statement towards the historically correct usage of the terms

nazi
and
neonazi.




Also, in defense of capitalizing Nazi. The spellcheck on this site insists on it.

spellcheck? There is no spellcheck for me (no adblock, no noscript) java and flash enabled. I want that spellcheck, too!



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 08:59 AM
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a reply to: verschickter

Right, and the smells were just flour dust from the ovens.

My dad fought in WW2. We know what Nazis are. You can spread your propaganda but I can resist.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: FauxMulder
a reply to: verschickter

No.

Nazi is the label you use for anyone to the right of wherever you fall on the spectrum.

Duh!





No, I'm far far left and I label nazi those guys with skin head and swastika on arm.

On really special occasions I use it as label for somebody who use totalitarian practices for utterly stupid purposes in name of a nation.

Regime in Germany in between 1933 - 1945 called itself national socialism but it used few tools developed by Marxist movements - basically state took role of workers unions while preserved industrial and financial elite. Deutsche Bahn invoiced regime till bitter end for every transport to Auschwitz while this camp was not planned as (primarily) extermination facility but rather as slave work force buffer for neighboring IG Farben factory cluster.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3
Do we have to discuss the definition of "isolated"? As in not accessible to the public?

EVERY german at that time was a nazi. Every single one. US-soldiers were all angles. No attrocities against civilians either.

Way to go, way to go.

^--- sarcasm! before someone takes this serious.




My dad fought in WW2. We know what Nazis are. You can spread your propaganda but I can resist.

I also like, because your dad fought WW2 (that does not mean he even set one foot into germany by the way), YOU know what a nazi is.
I, too like, that you accuse me of nazi propaganda now.

somethings not right with your reading comprehension.
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posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 09:08 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

So you accuse me of being a nazi / neonazi? Is that what you just did?



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 09:13 AM
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originally posted by: JanAmosComenius

originally posted by: FauxMulder
a reply to: verschickter

No.

Nazi is the label you use for anyone to the right of wherever you fall on the spectrum.

Duh!





No, I'm far far left and I label nazi those guys with skin head and swastika on arm.

On really special occasions I use it as label for somebody who use totalitarian practices for utterly stupid purposes in name of a nation.


That's great, me too.

My point was a lot of people like to throw that term around a lot more loosely these days.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: verschickter

You started the thread. I don't agree with your interpretation or sympathy. Are you saying that their are no more Nazis that want to kill Jews anymore because of a new name?



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: verschickter

Neo Nazi literally means "New Nazi "..

They choose to call them selves nazis.. and go around spouting actual Nazi slogans.. I'll take their word for it..


Is it over used when people can't think up a counterpoint?? Absolutely.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 09:45 AM
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Right Wing...right side... far right..

Hitler was a democrat, he is "Alt Left".

Socialism is the furthest thing from the right (republican).

Stop calling the right Nazis. It was the "right" that stopped it from happening here.

ALSO..

Nazi does not mean you're racist. Antisemitic, sure- but not racist. It is just a FACT that Hitler had more support from non-whites than White Nations.

Here is who all helped the Nazis:
Japan, Korea, Thailand, Manchukuo, Libya, Ethiopia, Somalia, Croatia, Iran, Syria, Turkey, Venezuela, Argentina...

Here is who the Nazis combated: Britan, Poland, America, Canada, France, Russia.. ALL white countries.

I am not supporting National Socialism, but at least get facts checked.

After WW2 most Nazis fled into countries like Brazil and Argentina and was later extradited after CIA discovered them in hiding.

Most people in the middle east region still argue that the Holocaust never happened and are Nazi sympathizers still to this day.

Hitler was right about Communist Russia. That war still goes on today. Communism has shed way more innocent blood than the Nazis ever dreamed of. When you read up on what happen to Germans after Russia invaded is just as sick.

Hitler actually tried to get rid of the Jews, however no one would take them. I think it reflects not just how evil Germans were, but us as a whole down right rejected to take the Jews from them. If U.N. would have allowed the Jews back into their own nation (either Palestine or Madagascar) as Hitler proposed 3 times we wouldn't have seen a holocaust.

The "Final Solution" didn't come until the British Navy held off Germany while they attempt to haul the Jews to Madagascar. After a good 6 or more times of trying to get them to leave peacefully the threw the final agreement in 1940 is start killing off the Jews.

Just because you have "neo" groups today who lack a 8th grade education doesn't mean you should too. I think it's more important to acknowledge OUR mistakes before just blaming everything on the Nazis.

Again, I am not a sympathizer to Nazis but if I had to choose the lesser of two evils it was Communism that started the war. America fought the wrong enemy basically, as Patton said. World was scared Germany would plunge us into another world war and threatened to invade Germany as they prepared for Communist Russia. After America ended the war with a seige in Berlin they would find themselves combatting Communism for the next 70+ years.

If UK, US, Canada would of taken Jewish refugees, or proposed Palestinian Plan or proposed Madagascar plan there would of been NO FINAL SOLUTION.

If US, UK, and Canada would allowed Germany and Japan to combat Russia and China we would of never had WW2, Korean War, Cold War, Nuculer Arms Race, Cuban Missle Crisis..

So let's own up to our own mistakes before putting all the blame on the Nazis. Hitler wasn't the only person who believes in a international banking clique that puppeteers the world.. People still rant and rave about the Rothschilds before and after Hitler such as our founding father's, czars of Russia, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, James Madison, Garfield...

It was bad foreign policy that escalated the war. This is why I have respect to the Jewish people because they was the true victims of the Nazis and have looked back at what escalated the hatred towards them in hopes of correcting it. They dont point fingers. They learn from it and correct their mistakes because we all make mistakes. Hitler did horrible things but wasn't the only person to blame for WW2.

youtu.be...



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: verschickter

Tl;dr.

I just use the word Trump as a synonym for Nazi, nazi, NAZI, NaZi and N'azi.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: Iostsheep
Right Wing...right side... far right..

Hitler was a democrat, he is "Alt Left".

Socialism is the furthest thing from the right (republican).

Stop calling the right Nazis. It was the "right" that stopped it from happening here.

ALSO..

Nazi does not mean you're racist. Antisemitic, sure- but not racist. It is just a FACT that Hitler had more support from non-whites than White Nations.

Here is who all helped the Nazis:
Japan, Korea, Thailand, Manchukuo, Libya, Ethiopia, Somalia, Croatia, Iran, Syria, Turkey, Venezuela, Argentina...

Here is who the Nazis combated: Britan, Poland, America, Canada, France, Russia.. ALL white countries.

I am not supporting National Socialism, but at least get facts checked.

After WW2 most Nazis fled into countries like Brazil and Argentina and was later extradited after CIA discovered them in hiding.

Most people in the middle east region still argue that the Holocaust never happened and are Nazi sympathizers still to this day.

Hitler was right about Communist Russia. That war still goes on today. Communism has shed way more innocent blood than the Nazis ever dreamed of. When you read up on what happen to Germans after Russia invaded is just as sick.

Hitler actually tried to get rid of the Jews, however no one would take them. I think it reflects not just how evil Germans were, but us as a whole down right rejected to take the Jews from them. If U.N. would have allowed the Jews back into their own nation (either Palestine or Madagascar) as Hitler proposed 3 times we wouldn't have seen a holocaust.

The "Final Solution" didn't come until the British Navy held off Germany while they attempt to haul the Jews to Madagascar. After a good 6 or more times of trying to get them to leave peacefully the threw the final agreement in 1940 is start killing off the Jews.

Just because you have "neo" groups today who lack a 8th grade education doesn't mean you should too. I think it's more important to acknowledge OUR mistakes before just blaming everything on the Nazis.

Again, I am not a sympathizer to Nazis but if I had to choose the lesser of two evils it was Communism that started the war. America fought the wrong enemy basically, as Patton said. World was scared Germany would plunge us into another world war and threatened to invade Germany as they prepared for Communist Russia. After America ended the war with a seige in Berlin they would find themselves combatting Communism for the next 70+ years.

If UK, US, Canada would of taken Jewish refugees, or proposed Palestinian Plan or proposed Madagascar plan there would of been NO FINAL SOLUTION.

If US, UK, and Canada would allowed Germany and Japan to combat Russia and China we would of never had WW2, Korean War, Cold War, Nuculer Arms Race, Cuban Missle Crisis..

So let's own up to our own mistakes before putting all the blame on the Nazis. Hitler wasn't the only person who believes in a international banking clique that puppeteers the world.. People still rant and rave about the Rothschilds before and after Hitler such as our founding father's, czars of Russia, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, James Madison, Garfield...

It was bad foreign policy that escalated the war. This is why I have respect to the Jewish people because they was the true victims of the Nazis and have looked back at what escalated the hatred towards them in hopes of correcting it. They dont point fingers. They learn from it and correct their mistakes because we all make mistakes. Hitler did horrible things but wasn't the only person to blame for WW2.

youtu.be...









Hitler was not of the left. I know it can be very confusing because 'National Socialism' sounds like it might be of the left, but Hitler was very much of the far right. The Nazi party rose to strength largely out of the reaction of the Right to the uprising of leftist/communist groups in Germany.


Being a Nazi does mean being a racist. Nazism was grounded in a belief of pure Aryan blood, and the innate superiority of Germanic genes. This is by definition a racist belief.


The Final Solution was not triggered by the Royal Navy blocking Nazi attempts to deport Jews to Madagascar. Where did the Germans deport most of the Jews to? Eastern Europe, to the work camps and the ghettos. Did they move them from Eastern Europe to Madagascar? No. They started killing them instead.


Pretty much the only people who still rant and rave about the Rothschilds are anti-semites at heart. International bankers aren't all Jews, so why only hate the Jewish ones? Because: Anti-semitism.


The Right in America were more interested in supporting the Nazis, America only got involved because the Japanese bombed pearl harbour, and because American banks had leant more money to the British than the Germans, so there was more profit to be made if the British didn't lose.

There was a strong pro-Nazi sentiment across the American Right in the 30s and 40s.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: verschickter
I don't agree with your interpretation or sympathy. Are you saying that their are no more Nazis that want to kill Jews anymore because of a new name?


NO FOR GODSAKE NO!!!!!!!! STOP PUTTING LIES INTO MY MOUTH!

I distanced myself VERY CLEARLY ALREADY. Are you so dense?+

Seriously show me where I express symphaty! You can´t and you know it exactly, it´s all just in your dense head.
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