I'm Done With The Left's Nonsense

a reply to: Box of Rain

Brilliant post i wish i could star you more than once

a reply to: FissionSurplus

Done with this and that, so done I'm starting a thread about it.

originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: usernameconspiracy
The left has no more to do with the morons doing this dumb crap than the right has to do with the far fringe of it's party. A vocal minority. Most of the left, like most of the right, has nothing but contempt for the extreme fringes of their respective parties.

Technically that is incorrect. As long as the talking heads of the left (Shumer, Pelosi, CNN, et al.) continue to promote the myth that destroying property and removing history is going to turn all of America into rainbows and butterflies for those that are disenfranchised, the Left absolutely owns the vandalism as a collective. Once they (the leaders of the Left) denounce the actions, then your argument will hold water.

Nope... the "Left" doesn't own this collectively any more than the Right owns racism, bigotry and hatred. But wait... maybe the Right does own that #. You guys elected the most vile human being on the planet to run this country. His racially charged rhetoric and dog-whistle laced diatribes have fueled the extremists on the Right to crawl out from under their rocks to display all their ugly racist contempt. And now you guys want to whine, bitch and moan about the extremists on the Left who want all traces of racism removed from the public's eye. What a bunch of idiots. Until you douche bags can get your act together and provide a decent human being for a leader, I guess you'll just have to put up with crap like that...

ETS: I don't really think you're all a bunch of douche bags but since we're all speaking in generalized terms... you're all douche bags...

originally posted by: Painterz
I imagine the point about the Columbus statue was not so much destroying history, as wanting to make the point that when most people think about Columbus, they are thinking about the false historical narrative that is predominant in society.


Most people do not know the horrors he and his kind inflicted.


It's a symbolic destruction of a false history. So that people might learn about the ~real~ history.

It does beg the question though, how is one to learn about the "real history" if there are no mnemonics left to remind them of why they should?

I cannot stand our current President, he breeds as much hate as any of these groups. But one thing I DO agree with him on is that BOTH SIDES played a key role in fostering the current outrage...BOTH SIDES didn't instantiate it necessarily, but when ONE SIDE doesn't take the moral high ground, then BOTH are to blame.

It is much like burning books because you don't like the message. Personally I love to learn about things I have deep disdain for. For instance I've read the Bible entirely about 11 times now, and I despise almost all religion because I think it, too, fosters an incredible amount of hatred and intolerance for those who disagree with their beliefs while often being disingenuous. In the same breath, I would fight tooth and nail with anyone who would burn the Bible or with anyone who would attempt to vilify another human being or harm them BECAUSE they have that belief...it's their right, it gives them comfort, whatever.

It seems lately, I've become an extreme centrist (until recently I didn't even think this was possible).

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To the OP, this is a great thread and I agree completely with your message with respect to the statue. I S&F you because it is so well written, I was starting to lose some hope about peoples ability to communicate effectively and you bring hope to my day with that.

Still, I disagree with you that 50% of America is against you while 50% is for you. What I do believe is that small pockets of people believing that THEIR opinion on probably everything is the only opinion any other person should embrace. It brings me to the mantra I try to live by and in my heart truly believe "People believe they have a right to an opinion. I disagree, I think people have a right to an informed opinion; no one has the RIGHT to be ignorant"

a reply to: FissionSurplus
I feel that I understand your anger but personally I don't think it would be fair to blame it on one political party or another. It's more about ignorance and "knee jerk" reactions.

I have had it with 50% of this country.

50% of the population of this country are not coming after statues of any kind, if that were the case then all of the statues would be gone by now. The few statues and monuments that have been vandalized are from a very small group of (a#holes) people. This is a federal crime, by the way, and law enforcement is not turning a blind eye, contrary to what some may be claiming.
Arrests Begin Following Durham Confederate Statue Toppling

Christopher Columbus monument vandalized in Baltimore

A video posted to YouTube... shows a man striking the base of the monument near Herring Run Park repeatedly with a sledgehammer.
Police are searching for information about the men in the video, as well as whoever filmed it.

I am very interested in American history and I do enjoy visiting museums. Much of what I learn makes me angry as I empathize with the victims but I get over it. There are a few that do not know how to handle such anger and they overreact and I don't think we should join them.

I love this country. 50% of you do not. You do not respect people's property, laws, the military, the flag, or the land itself,

50%, really? I have never been asked what I feel about this country, our military, flag or personal property, not that anyone is really concerned with how I feel (lol), but I think your "50%" claim is an overreaction.

My experience is that this country is filled with wonderful people who are compassionate, that very much care about others, and people who I would be proud to call friend. I am one of those people that care and I care about you, even though I don't know who you are, and I also care about many of the members here on ATS even though it is sometimes very difficult to read their comments.

There is a bit of turmoil in America today and I think all this propaganda is getting the best of us. We, as a country, have been through much worse and came out united and stronger than ever. There have been overreactions by many people and the media is playing this for all it's worth. Remember the adage, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease"? It's a very small minority that are screaming the loudest and are getting a majority of the attention.

Perhaps I am wrong but I feel the vast majority of Americans would not condone these actions, from either side, yet are simply reacting to what is see on the news. I truly hope you are well and that this anger does not degrade you personally.

S&F for you. I wish I could give you a million each. I am right there with you brother or sister. Enough is enough. My fear is the powers that be are playing the left like a fiddle. Soros is the biggest instigator. The Marxists start with the statues then the laws. Our Constitution is under attack and the wimps in congress are allowing it. God Bless America and God bless our constitutional republic. It is the very constitution that prevents either extremes from taking power and instituting their agendas.

originally posted by: Tekaran
I was thinking the other day about - What if we righties just walk away from all this garbage and let them tear down all they want to without saying a word. Then I realized that, the lefties would just cry and complain - "The Right hates America and no longer cares!" You can't win arguments against weak minded children.

That's the only option those on the right have. Leave those left-wing areas and let them reap the consequences of their own loopy policies. In the UK, we end up with inner-cities that are minority white, have terrible crime with high unemployment, unsafe streets at night, stabbings, bike gangs and acid attacks, while the safe areas are mostly crime free and have millionaires homes. Then the left-wing councils (with sanctuary city ideologies) complain that they are stuck with all the high umemployment and poverty.

originally posted by: Blarneystoner

originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: usernameconspiracy
The left has no more to do with the morons doing this dumb crap than the right has to do with the far fringe of it's party. A vocal minority. Most of the left, like most of the right, has nothing but contempt for the extreme fringes of their respective parties.

Technically that is incorrect. As long as the talking heads of the left (Shumer, Pelosi, CNN, et al.) continue to promote the myth that destroying property and removing history is going to turn all of America into rainbows and butterflies for those that are disenfranchised, the Left absolutely owns the vandalism as a collective. Once they (the leaders of the Left) denounce the actions, then your argument will hold water.

Nope... the "Left" doesn't own this collectively any more than the Right owns racism, bigotry and hatred. But wait... maybe the Right does own that #. You guys elected the most vile human being on the planet to run this country. His racially charged rhetoric and dog-whistle laced diatribes have fueled the extremists on the Right to crawl out from under their rocks to display all their ugly racist contempt. And now you guys want to whine, bitch and moan about the extremists on the Left who want all traces of racism removed from the public's eye. What a bunch of idiots. Until you douche bags can get your act together and provide a decent human being for a leader, I guess you'll just have to put up with crap like that...

ETS: I don't really think you're all a bunch of douche bags but since we're all speaking in generalized terms... you're all douche bags...

The extremists on the right got fed up of seeing their jobs being offshored due to trade agreements, being undercut by illegal immigrants, seeing companies like Walmart drive family store businesses out of the market, while their staff depend on food stamps, affirmative action policies for government jobs and state universities. Being forced to pay more for medicare, which doesn't benefit them, but everyone else. Having refugees dumped on their cities and being left to pay for their care out of the funds for their schools and hospitals. Even if they organize booster fund raising events, the education board snatches the money out of their hands. Then they see one religious group of people making all these political decisions. Having the Whitehouse Christmas tree replaced with a Menorah was a confirmation of the conspiracy theories.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: FissionSurplus
You destructive, moronic, hateful loser.....!

This is Hillary Clinton, Obama & the DNC personified.

The following image is the consequential effect of their core policy - that being the destruction of traditions, customs, culture and morals - reason being is simple - they are impossible for retards to conceptualize & follow.

Not quite. A bit of a "skewed" perspective I would think.

After being indoctrinated online into the world of white supremacy and inspired by a racist hate group, Dylann Roof told friends he wanted to start a “race war.” Someone had to take “drastic action” to take back America from “stupid and violent” African Americans, he wrote.

Then, on June 17, 2015, he attended a Bible study meeting at the historic Emanuel A.M.E. Church in Charleston and murdered nine people, all of them black.
Dylann Roof, the suspect in the massacre of nine African Americans in Charleston, S.C., in June 2015.
The act of terror shocked America with its chilling brutality.
But Roof did not spark a race war. Far from it.
Instead, when photos surfaced depicting the 21-year-old white supremacist with the Confederate battle flag — including one in which he held the flag in one hand and a gun in the other — Roof ignited something else entirely: a grassroots movement to remove the flag from public spaces.

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The debate to remove Confederate flags grew to the removal of Confederate statues and monuments. This appears to be the reactions caused by a self proclaimed white supremacist. Many might even claim that Trump's apparent inability to condemn these same groups to be the cause for the increased desire to remove and the illegal destruction of other monuments.

a reply to: FissionSurplus

Very well said S & F for you. Your post represents my thoughts exactly. I'm glad to see more out there that think like I do.

I am enjoying watching these poor losers.

You only have to read their hate to see who they are.

I will now bask in their temper tantrums.

They lost, everybody else has it wrong.

Single issue, uninformed, crybabies that bought the lie.

Now they resist, what a joke...

That was seriously epic...powerful OP.

Pity the power will be lost on those it should appeal to...they won't isten.

They're too high on their own sense of smug-ness...it's like some disgusting virus that's eating its way though them. There's a reason that those on the right have started to respond violently, because they're slowly realising it's the only language these retards actually understand...pity they can't deal with the violence when it comes their way.

It just makes them feel more victimised, it's a vicious circle.

I do agree, though - they will lose. They're not only waking but actively creating a sleeping giant and are too dim-witted to see it.

S&F.

Hello,
It is a communist plan. They could almost taste victory when Obama won the election. Obama began to fill the bureaucracy with communist.
When it started to be clear that the American public at large was sick of all of their supposed "fairness programs" and elected Trump and cleaned out nearly every state house and senate and governor seats of Democrats, they changed their plan.

The idea here, of the communist or maybe globalist, is to raise a boogey man. And in trying to eliminate the history of America will hopefully incite - eventually - a middle class or "white" riot. They then hope to use this event to then change the government by force to implement their final agenda.

It was a long range goal that was almost complete and then being gutted by Trump has been fanatically changed to a short term goal.

Thank you,
Fools

originally posted by: Devino
... Many might even claim that Trump's apparent inability to condemn these same groups to be the cause for the increased desire to remove and the illegal destruction of other monuments.

Yes. President Trump needs to condemn the message that the white supremacists are spouting.

However (and what the President so so poorly communicated in his extremely weak statements about Charlottesville), he also needs to provide a non-condemnation to the idea that even these white supremacist groups need to be able to speak freely, as long as that speech is not promoting violence against non-whites.

I may be a Democrat, but I find myself sometimes agreeing -- in principle if not in practice -- with Libertarians or Constitutionalists.

As I said in a post above, when we as a country start deciding what kind of free speech is OK and what kind should officially be allowed to be violently opposed, then we start down a slippery slope. It is obvious that the ideology of white supremacists is something that should not be tolerated, but we need to tolerate the right for them to voice that ideology without the threat of violence being acted against them.

While the ideology is wrong, the voicing of the ideology (as long as that voicing does is not promoting violence) should be protected. Counter-protest can and should happen, just not violent ones.

Or else the next time some counter-protest group claims they have the moral authority to act violently against another protest group, or the counter-protestors commit acts of vandalism against symbols of whatever it is they are counter-protesting, the thing they are violently counter-protesting might not be as obviously wrong to most people.

But to be sure, that idea goes both ways -- The original protestors should also not act violently against the counter-protesters.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: FissionSurplus

Well you talked me into it, we definitely need to cancel the s# out of Columbus Day.

Actually I knew that about Columbus and everyone in this day and age should. There was also the feeding of babies to dogs when meat supplies were low. Think about that. What monsters would do that? An immense amount of child rape. Just random horrible things like cutting people up for sport, pouring boiling things into them, decapitation to test the sharpness of a blade, etc.

Unimaginable atrocity. Why do we celebrate Columbus at all? And just think of all the places named after him. It's really f'd up when you consider it.

I don't believe that people should be taking it upon themselves to destroy monuments, especially historically significant ones. I agree completely with that.

I would completely be on board with ending the veneration of Columbus though.

What is your source for the babies being fed to dogs?

As always, your side did bad things, my side did bad things, but the bad things my side did were always to bring about peace and love...right? I am so SO tired of that sort of logic. I think most people are.

originally posted by: Box of Rain

originally posted by: Devino
... Many might even claim that Trump's apparent inability to condemn these same groups to be the cause for the increased desire to remove and the illegal destruction of other monuments.

Yes. President Trump needs to condemn the message that the white supremacists are spouting.

However (and what the President so so poorly communicated in his extremely weak statements about Charlottesville), he also needs to provide a non-condemnation to the idea that even these white supremacist groups need to be able to speak freely, as long as that speech is not promoting violence against non-whites.

I may be a Democrat, but I find myself sometimes agreeing -- in principle if not in practice -- with Libertarians or Constitutionalists.

As I said in a post above, when we as a country start deciding what kind of free speech is OK and what kind should officially allowed be to be violently opposed, then we start down a slippery slope. It is obvious that the ideology of white supremacists is something that should not be tolerated, but we need to tolerate the right for them to voice that message.

While the ideology is wrong, the voicing of the ideology (as long as that voicing does is not promoting violence) should be protected.

Or else the next time some counter-protest group claims they have the moral authority to act violently against another protest group, or the counter-protestors commit acts of vandalism against symbols of whatever it is they are counter-protesting, the thing they are violently counter-protesting might not be as obviously wrong to most people.

But to be sure, that idea goes both ways -- The original protestors should also not act violently against the counter-protesters.

But of course he SHOULDN'T mention antifa which was hitting cars with bats and screaming that they wanted to kill the person in the car. Of course not. Because antifa are the good guys, you know, the commies.

originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: Box of Rain

originally posted by: Devino
... Many might even claim that Trump's apparent inability to condemn these same groups to be the cause for the increased desire to remove and the illegal destruction of other monuments.

Yes. President Trump needs to condemn the message that the white supremacists are spouting.

However (and what the President so so poorly communicated in his extremely weak statements about Charlottesville), he also needs to provide a non-condemnation to the idea that even these white supremacist groups need to be able to speak freely, as long as that speech is not promoting violence against non-whites.

I may be a Democrat, but I find myself sometimes agreeing -- in principle if not in practice -- with Libertarians or Constitutionalists.

As I said in a post above, when we as a country start deciding what kind of free speech is OK and what kind should officially allowed be to be violently opposed, then we start down a slippery slope. It is obvious that the ideology of white supremacists is something that should not be tolerated, but we need to tolerate the right for them to voice that message.

While the ideology is wrong, the voicing of the ideology (as long as that voicing does is not promoting violence) should be protected.

Or else the next time some counter-protest group claims they have the moral authority to act violently against another protest group, or the counter-protestors commit acts of vandalism against symbols of whatever it is they are counter-protesting, the thing they are violently counter-protesting might not be as obviously wrong to most people.

But to be sure, that idea goes both ways -- The original protestors should also not act violently against the counter-protesters.

But of course he SHOULDN'T mention antifa which was hitting cars with bats and screaming that they wanted to kill the person in the car. Of course not. Because antifa are the good guys, you know, the commies.

That's sort of my point. Even the promotion of the ideologies of Antifa is something that needs to be protected, but not the violence and other illegal acts sometimes associated with promoting that ideology. It's the same for the right for white supremacists to have their ideology heard.

I'm not saying that there is a moral equivalency between the ideologies of a white supremacist and, say, a Civil rights activist who wants to counter-protest against the white supremacists, but they both should have equal protection in the eyes of the law to have the ability to peacefully promote their messages (as long as the message itself does not promote violence).

a reply to: Box of Rain

Sounds alright, but it is sort of the same thing as not identifying Muslim terrorist as Muslim. The funny part of the speech (Trumps Charlottesville speech) is that politicians allow themselves to refer to any right wing thing as Nazi's and KKK (which in reality, the KKK was definitely more of a Democrat issue than it ever was a Right Wing issue just as the Nazi's were just an extension of Bismark's already existent German National Socialism whereby the Royalty of Prussia decided to not fight with Socialist but co-opt them and turn the whole country into an industrial serfdom), but NO politician seems to be ever able to refer to Antifa or BLM as terrrorist, or even at all.

The upcoming Democrat presidential nominee is going to be Kamala Harris. She gives BLM high fives every chance she gets. You will see NO Republican politician any props to ANY violent group.

Well with a few exceptions, some Republicans also seem to think that Antifa and BLM are cute lil cuddly kittens as well. If they keep doing this instead of accepting the fact that they are supposed to be representing their constiuents, they will suffer a backlash that the USA has never seen before.

originally posted by: FissionSurplus
I highly doubt the people who smashed the Columbus statue in Baltimore have any of that blood in them. Columbus did not victimize Africans, but hey, jump on that bandwagon with the square wheels and clunk along just because.

A recurrent theme I observed several years back—as politically incorrect as it might seem—is that people whose ancestors came from a culture that had little to no historical achievements, notable inventions, scientific breakthroughs, etc., are more likely to behave in a destructive manner towards more advanced, refined cultures. I'm not saying this is a race issue; I don't know what it is exactly—some kind of deep-seated cultural jealousy? An inferiority complex?

I've already witnessed this 'inferiority complex' in the form of websites made by people of African descent who edit history and claim that they were the leaders of, well... pretty much every single ancient civilization. (You have to scroll to the bottom of the page to see what I mean.)

a reply to: Blarneystoner

The most vile human being on the planet? Wow, you haven't read much have you?