What Level Of Skill Was Required To Fly A Plane Into The Pentagon ?

If you can find the a statement from the pilot where he states he flew the plane before 9-11-2001 and the phones were no long in service then you would have something. Actually any pilot who flew that plane.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
No, you dont have two reliable witnesses that they were disconnected. You have a PR hack and a pilot. Neither of which know jack about aviation maintenance or the maintenance records for that airframe.

You missed this guy. Of course you attack legitimate witnesses who don't agree with you, that's what debunkers do.
American Airlines Public Relations Representative John Hotard: “An Engineering Change Order to deactivate the seatback phone system on the 757 fleet had been issued before Sep 11 2001

originally posted by: roadgravel
If you can find the a statement from the pilot where he states he flew the plane before 9-11-2001 and the phones were no long in service then you would have something. Actually any pilot who flew that plane.

I already did. How else would the pilot know if the phones got disconnected before 9/11

a reply to: Jacobu12

An engineering direction doesn't mean the work was done. It means they were directed to do it. Airlines do the work as aircraft come in for scheduled maintenance when they're doing big changes. If this aircraft hadn't undergone maintenance before 9/11, the phones were working.

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: roadgravel
If you can find the a statement from the pilot where he states he flew the plane before 9-11-2001 and the phones were no long in service then you would have something. Actually any pilot who flew that plane.

I already did. How else would the pilot know if the phones got disconnected before 9/11

He couldn't have flown every 757. And an maintenance order starts the process in the future, it doesn't state it is completed.

Who is more likely to be correct, this pilot or the company actually handling calls during the time period.

a reply to: roadgravel

Is this a trick question??

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: roadgravel

Is this a trick question??

haha I suppose it may look like one. It may depend on how a person sees this whole event. I get the feeling some truth is missing on both sides.

Despite man's attempts, nature tends to go the route of less expenditure.

a reply to: roadgravel

Oh, there's holes in the narrative. There seems little doubt of that--but none of it involves airplanes not hitting buildings.

It involves the utter failure of the US/NATO intelligence services. But that's not the topic here today...

To answer your question, I'd have to say the company handling the calls would have a fair idea of their origins. One would surmise such, anyway.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12

An engineering direction doesn't mean the work was done. It means they were directed to do it. Airlines do the work as aircraft come in for scheduled maintenance when they're doing big changes. If this aircraft hadn't undergone maintenance before 9/11, the phones were working.

This would easily be sorted out with the appearance of the telephone bill. Of course the people who believe the government version of events never got off their ass for the last 16 years and tried to prove Ted Olson version of events was correct. Debunkers have always have been reactionary, they only appear when new evidence emerges.

originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: roadgravel
If you can find the a statement from the pilot where he states he flew the plane before 9-11-2001 and the phones were no long in service then you would have something. Actually any pilot who flew that plane.

I already did. How else would the pilot know if the phones got disconnected before 9/11

He couldn't have flown every 757. And an maintenance order starts the process in the future, it doesn't state it is completed.

The order was given to deactivate prior to 9/11. You don't need to remove phones from planes to shut down a telephone service., that can be done in mere days or weeks.

a reply to: Jacobu12

Can you quote the FBI that Ted was laying? Simple question?

What does phone records have do to with...

Discrediting over 100 plus eyewitnesses that attest to a large jet hitting the pentagon.

Another person besides Barbara called out from flight 77 to report the hijacking to at least two people.

The only credible explanation for the damage at the pentagon is a large jet impact as attested to by numerous knowledgeable sources, including Scientists for 9/11 Truth. You have never given a rebuttal to refute the evidence laid out by Scientists for 9/11 Truth. It's like you ignore thier work out of fear on how wrong you are.

How did the passengers and crew of flight 77 end up dead at the pentagon. What was released to families for burial.

File a information request for the phone records. But you have no proof Ted, his secretary, and operators are lying until then.

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
No, you dont have two reliable witnesses that they were disconnected. You have a PR hack and a pilot. Neither of which know jack about aviation maintenance or the maintenance records for that airframe.

You missed this guy. Of course you attack legitimate witnesses who don't agree with you, that's what debunkers do.
American Airlines Public Relations Representative John Hotard: “An Engineering Change Order to deactivate the seatback phone system on the 757 fleet had been issued before Sep 11 2001

Also from John Hotard:

It is our contention that the seatback phones on Flight 77 were working because there is no entry in that aircraft’s records to indicate when the phones were disconnected.

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12

If the phones were disconnected they wouldn't even try top connect. There would be no way for anyone to even dial the number. You wouldn't get a failed to connect, you'd get nothing. No signal going out at all.

They had a service up and running before 9/11, so could they still dial an operator somehow? The call did not go through, why not nobody answered. The only way to confirms Ted Olson story is a telephone bill! 15+ years he hasn't produced the evidence, and he's well aware people are calling him a liar. Why is he so reluctant to shut up the doubters? He should care there people are out there saying he never spoke to he's dead wife on 9/11..

Why does Ted have to produce the bill? To prove himself to you? All about you, and that you cannot handle the biggest con artists are in the truth movement. Why would a government in your false narrative able to control 9/11, murder over a thousand people, allow loose ends? In the context of an all power government, the 9/11 conspiracy theories are allowed to exist. In the context of an all powerful government, you are spreading the distractions they want public....

a reply to: Jacobu12

Further proof you have no idea what you're talking about. After United 811, a flaw was identified in the 747 cargo door that could potentially cause the aircraft to crash. Once a fix was identified, the FAA wanted it implemented in 6 months on every 747 built. The airlines pushed back and said it would cause financial hardship and got it pushed out to 2 1/2 years.

So now you expect people to believe that they were found to pull aircraft out of service in large numbers to disconnect a telephone? Please. They were disconnected as they came in for scheduled maintenance.

a reply to: Jacobu12

That 'expose' video is just plain wrong about the cameras being synchronised. The system recorded the cameras sequentially IE one frame from each camera in turn so the frames showing the plane are not the exact same instant in time. They were approx 140mS apart so things like the smoke patterns do look remarkably similar but the plane travelled over 100' in that time at the speed it was moving (over 750'/sec).

This gif shows the 2 frames in question zoomed in and adjusted for wide angle lens distortions so that the background objects up to the horizon overlap exactly which allows the plane's position in each to be much clearer. The tail is particularly obvious if you look closely.

It's adjusted, not 'doctored' and nothing has been added to either frame



This 'ground effect' for 6 or more seconds rubbish is just plain wrong.
If it was a factor at all it would have been only for part of the final second at 750'sec+

And what do airphones/cellphones have to do with the topic here?

a reply to: Jacobu12

And you....not surprisingly missed this....

"Engineers at our primary Maintenance & Engineering base in Tulsa tell me that they cannot find any record that the 757 aircraft flown into the Pentagon on 9/11 had had its seatback phones deactivated by that date. An Engineering Change Order to deactivate the seatback phone system on the 757 fleet had been issued by that time... It is our contention that the seatback phones on Flight 77 were working because there is no entry in that aircraft’s records to indicate when the phones were disconnected.
John Hotard, Corporate Communications, American Airlines

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12

Further proof you have no idea what you're talking about. After United 811, a flaw was identified in the 747 cargo door that could potentially cause the aircraft to crash. Once a fix was identified, the FAA wanted it implemented in 6 months on every 747 built. The airlines pushed back and said it would cause financial hardship and got it pushed out to 2 1/2 years.

So now you expect people to believe that they were found to pull aircraft out of service in large numbers to disconnect a telephone? Please. They were disconnected as they came in for scheduled maintenance.

And this other story proves what exactly, it's separate event with no correlation.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Jacobu12

And you....not surprisingly missed this....

"Engineers at our primary Maintenance & Engineering base in Tulsa tell me that they cannot find any record that the 757 aircraft flown into the Pentagon on 9/11 had had its seatback phones deactivated by that date. An Engineering Change Order to deactivate the seatback phone system on the 757 fleet had been issued by that time... It is our contention that the seatback phones on Flight 77 were working because there is no entry in that aircraft’s records to indicate when the phones were disconnected.
John Hotard, Corporate Communications, American Airlines

Source for this?

a reply to: Jacobu12

John Hotard, the same man that you quote mined, rather than providing the full statement.