What Level Of Skill Was Required To Fly A Plane Into The Pentagon ?

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Jacobu12

John Hotard, the same man that you quote mined, rather than providing the full statement.

But where you find the reference, what is the source behind it, link please.

a reply to: Jacobu12

It proves that your "it can be done in a few weeks" comment is BS. The United 811 accident killed at least 15 people, almost caused the plane to crash, and did so much damage to the plane that it took months to fix.

Despite that, and despite the fact that it could happen again, they wanted TWO YEARS top install a fix that would take two to three hours per aircraft. There is no chance in hell that they would pull large numbers of 757s to disconnect telephones on them.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12

It proves that your "it can be done in a few weeks" comment is BS. The United 811 accident killed at least 15 people, almost caused the plane to crash, and did so much damage to the plane that it took months to fix.

Despite that, and despite the fact that it could happen again, they wanted TWO YEARS top install a fix that would take two to three hours per aircraft. There is no chance in hell that they would pull large numbers of 757s to disconnect telephones on them.

Nice story but i don't see the correlation to the 9/11 event. Shutting off a telephone service is not difficult, removing phones takes awhile to do.

originally posted by: Pilgrum
a reply to: Jacobu12

That 'expose' video is just plain wrong about the cameras being synchronised. The system recorded the cameras sequentially IE one frame from each camera in turn so the frames showing the plane are not the exact same instant in time. They were approx 140mS apart so things like the smoke patterns do look remarkably similar but the plane travelled over 100' in that time at the speed it was moving (over 750'/sec).

This gif shows the 2 frames in question zoomed in and adjusted for wide angle lens distortions so that the background objects up to the horizon overlap exactly which allows the plane's position in each to be much clearer. The tail is particularly obvious if you look closely.

It's adjusted, not 'doctored' and nothing has been added to either frame

This 'ground effect' for 6 or more seconds rubbish is just plain wrong.
If it was a factor at all it would have been only for part of the final second at 750'sec+

And what do airphones/cellphones have to do with the topic here?

They are synchronized, the video went through every frame and all frames matched up perfectly only 1 did not frame 23.

Just FYI, I guess Salander Is in the jet impact group. Be it a smaller military jet, but still in the jet impact group.

By Salander
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a reply to: SecretSector

My bet is drone Douglas A3.

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By SecretSector
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Unlike you, many of us silently nodded our heads while maintaining "BS" attitude. In my branch of service, Pentagon strike screams UAV.

a reply to: Jacobu12

Jesus Christ you really don't have a clue do you. The average time to disconnect the phones, just the antenna and phone service was 2-3 hours PER PLANE. The average turn around (plane arriving at gate, unloading/loading and departing from the gate) is anywhere from 1-3 hours. To disconnect the phones the plane had to be taken out of service.

If you think they're going to take them out of service to unplug telephones when they won't take them out of service to fix a problem that has killed passengers, then you are more cl clueless than I thought.

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: Pilgrum
a reply to: Jacobu12

That 'expose' video is just plain wrong about the cameras being synchronised. The system recorded the cameras sequentially IE one frame from each camera in turn so the frames showing the plane are not the exact same instant in time. They were approx 140mS apart so things like the smoke patterns do look remarkably similar but the plane travelled over 100' in that time at the speed it was moving (over 750'/sec).

This gif shows the 2 frames in question zoomed in and adjusted for wide angle lens distortions so that the background objects up to the horizon overlap exactly which allows the plane's position in each to be much clearer. The tail is particularly obvious if you look closely.

It's adjusted, not 'doctored' and nothing has been added to either frame

This 'ground effect' for 6 or more seconds rubbish is just plain wrong.
If it was a factor at all it would have been only for part of the final second at 750'sec+

And what do airphones/cellphones have to do with the topic here?

They are synchronized, the video went through every frame and all frames matched up perfectly only 1 did not frame 23.

Are you talking about two different cameras at different vantage points? How would they perfectly line up?

originally posted by: Jacobu12
Shutting off a telephone service is not difficult, removing phones takes awhile to do.

we have the original ECO (FO871)ordering the phones to be deactivated. The ECO mentioned by Balsamo (FO878), is the order to actually physically remove the components.

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This is just when the original order was given though, this does not say when it was carried out. We have that list too though, one of which is displayed below.

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AA 757's phones were deactivated 2002

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12

If the phones were disconnected they wouldn't even try top connect. There would be no way for anyone to even dial the number. You wouldn't get a failed to connect, you'd get nothing. No signal going out at all.

They had a service up and running before 9/11, so could they still dial an operator somehow? The call did not go through, why not nobody answered. The only way to confirms Ted Olson story is a telephone bill! 15+ years he hasn't produced the evidence, and he's well aware people are calling him a liar. Why is he so reluctant to shut up the doubters? He should care there people are out there saying he never spoke to he's dead wife on 9/11..

Why does Ted have to produce the bill? To prove himself to you? All about you, and that you cannot handle the biggest con artists are in the truth movement. Why would a government in your false narrative able to control 9/11, murder over a thousand people, allow loose ends? In the context of an all power government, the 9/11 conspiracy theories are allowed to exist. In the context of an all powerful government, you are spreading the distractions they want public....

Why are they con artists they are actually researching the subject, you guys would even know about most of this stuff, if the truther people did not investigate. I bet for the last 15 years it the truther people have researched 9/11, the most. Your own government covered up 29 pages of a public inquiry about 9/11. There is plenty of secret documents you haven't seen, you don't know nothing if you think you're told the truth.

originally posted by: Jacobu12

They are synchronized, the video went through every frame and all frames matched up perfectly only 1 did not frame 23.

Your definition of 'synchronised' is a bit loosely applied as the plane travels about 1 plane length between the frames.

a reply to: seagull

It involves the utter failure of the US/NATO intelligence services. But that's not the topic here today...

That and the actions of NEADS are the biggest shocks to me from day as far as "How the heck?". It's as though the whole high dollar foundation failed. Planning/training/procedure failure.

a reply to: roadgravel

...and I've never been quite satisfied as to the "whys" and "wherefores" of it all.

originally posted by: waypastvne

originally posted by: Jacobu12
Shutting off a telephone service is not difficult, removing phones takes awhile to do.

we have the original ECO (FO871)ordering the phones to be deactivated. The ECO mentioned by Balsamo (FO878), is the order to actually physically remove the components.

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This is just when the original order was given though, this does not say when it was carried out. We have that list too though, one of which is displayed below.

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AA 757's phones were deactivated 2002

This is just a document online. How do you know it's official? Where they source it from, it just on a blog Names are blocked out so how we verify if it's legit? When you doing official stuff you sign N/A not no.

a reply to: Jacobu12

The order was given to deactivate prior to 9/11. You don't need to remove phones from planes to shut down a telephone service., that can be done in mere days or weeks.

And the US had a high end defense that also failed that day. Stuff happens. (see Murphy's Law*)

* "If there's more than one way to do a job, and one of those ways will result in disaster, then he will do it that way."

Refined to "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong."

a reply to: Jacobu12

No, you don't. You only sign N/A if it doesn't apply. That means Not Applicable, not No. If it's not done, you sign No, or just N. If it doesn't need to be done you sign N/A.

a reply to: Jacobu12

Isn't all your stuff coming from the ... internet.

originally posted by: Pilgrum

originally posted by: Jacobu12

They are synchronized, the video went through every frame and all frames matched up perfectly only 1 did not frame 23.

Your definition of 'synchronised' is a bit loosely applied as the plane travels about 1 plane length between the frames.

The scene in each frame is the same, both cameras, only frame 23 has a problem.

a reply to: Jacobu12

Have you read the pdf I linked earlier that explains in detail how the security camera recording system worked?

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jacobu12

No, you don't. You only sign N/A if it doesn't apply. That means Not Applicable, not No. If it's not done, you sign No. If it doesn't need to be done you sign N/A.

You not wrong , but the dates are wrongly formatted either way.