Is God Evil???

a reply to: Raggedyman

I was talking about him invalidating the law for Christians only.. honestly I have never even considered that Jews should have changed to then...

That's a pretty cool thought.

It seems crazy to me it would only apply to Christianity...

I would assume it applies to Jews but they just didn't buy it.


I think you are looking at it backwards..

The view of religion isn't the same for both Jews and Christians.. in any way really..

90% of Jews look at most of the supernatural stories as analogies to teach a lesson, not actual historical events. Where most (I'm guessing most) Christians believe the Bible is very close to a history book.



However , You are assigning modern Christian mythology to the ancient and modern day Jews. Which isn't accurate..

The Sunday school version of Christianity where the Jews were patiently awaiting a son of God messiah. But were expecting a warrior king son of God rather than a peace nick son of god. Is not accurate.

That is revisionist history..

The messiah was never thought to be a divine figure in Judaism. It was one of many messiahs and the last would start the line of mortal kings who's hereditary line would rule Israel forever.

That was the prophecy...

And no matter how many Christian bible verses you post. It will not change the fact Jews now nor then were expecting a "son of God.."


Every inch of the "son of God " stuff is Christian..

Call me crazy, but I'm going to accept the Jewish historical account of Judaism, not the Christians later revisionist history of Judaism.

That said it doesn't invalidate Christianity, since Jesus was comming to correct things.. so hypothetically their interpretation of the messiah prophecy could have just been wrong.. but pretending like it was always their beliefs is dishonest. To this day the messiah prophecy is not central to Judaism and they have no prophecy concerning a son of God.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Also no many Jews from christs time did not believe in Jesus..

Many (a thousand appearently) converted to Christianity..


Once you believe in Jesus your no longer a Jew.. you have converted to Christianity..

A lot of Jews left the Jewish religion.. they did not remain Jews and still believe in Jesus.

I don't believe that if there is a prime source of all things that it is evil or good, it just is everything. But the god of the bible and the other so called holy books that humans have created is definitely evil and malicious.

If some of the newer thoughts are even halfway correct that humans a few thousand years ago were visited and it's all lies based on their perceptions and explanations then that would explain how fallible and outright nasty 'it' is, or perhaps 'they' are.

But the holy books don't speak a thing on the one source of all things, merely of some egoistic head case with control issues.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Here is an actual Jewish interpretation of the messiah prophecy from an actual Jewish site..

Not a Christian site leaning on Jews for credibility..


"The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought. Unfortunately, this Christian concept has become so deeply ingrained in the English word "messiah" that this English word can no longer be used to refer to the Jewish concept. The word "mashiach" will be used throughout this page."


www.jewfaq.org...

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Geese Josh, that's a lot of comments
Believe what you want to believe
Please, believe what you decide is right, due diligence and all, it's not my responsibility to make you believe or disbelieve

I disagree with you, I have probably spent more time studying what I believe gives me a balanced view. From Catholic to atheist to christian

I disagree with what you have written, seriously it's childish
Messiah, mashiach, it's irrelevant
Jesus was in Genesis, all through the OT
I disagree, get over it, you are like one of those despised fundy Christians who just doesn't get it, who doesn't stop
I disagree, now get over it



AND NO I never said the Jews were waiting for the Son of God messiah, you did
Stupid to say that i said that when I didn't
Why say I said that.

liar

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Messiah in Hebrew is not divine, it just means freed the Jews from captivity.

Messiah: Insight, Volume 2

MESSIAH

From the Hebrew root verb ma·shachʹ, meaning “smear,” and so “anoint.” (Ex 29:2, 7) Messiah (ma·shiʹach) means “anointed” or “anointed one.” The Greek equivalent is Khri·stosʹ, or Christ.—Mt 2:4, ftn.

In the Hebrew Scriptures the verbal adjective form ma·shiʹach is applied to many men. David was officially appointed to be king by being anointed with oil and so is spoken of as “anointed one” or, literally, “messiah.” (2Sa 19:21; 22:51; 23:1; Ps 18:50) Other kings, including Saul and Solomon, are termed “anointed one” or “the anointed of Jehovah.” (1Sa 2:10, 35; 12:3, 5; 24:6, 10; 2Sa 1:14, 16; 2Ch 6:42; La 4:20) The term is also applied to the high priest. (Le 4:3, 5, 16; 6:22) The patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are called Jehovah’s “anointed ones.” (1Ch 16:16, 22, ftn) Persian King Cyrus is termed “anointed one,” in that he was appointed by God for a certain assignment.—Isa 45:1; see ANOINTED, ANOINTING.

In the Christian Greek Scriptures the transliterated form Mes·siʹas occurs in the Greek text at John 1:41, with the explanation, “which means, when translated, Christ.” (See also Joh 4:25.) Sometimes the word Khri·stosʹ is used alone with reference to the one who is or who claims to be the Messiah, or the Anointed One. (Mt 2:4; 22:42; Mr 13:21) In most of its appearances, though, Khri·stosʹ is accompanied by the personal name Jesus, as in the expressions “Jesus Christ” or “Christ Jesus,” to designate him as the Messiah. At times the word is used alone but specifically referring to Jesus with the understanding that Jesus is The Christ, as in the statement, “Christ died for us.”—Ro 5:8; Joh 17:3; 1Co 1:1, 2; 16:24; see CHRIST.

Messiah in the Hebrew Scriptures. At Daniel 9:25, 26 the word ma·shiʹach applies exclusively to the coming Messiah. (See SEVENTY WEEKS.) However, many other texts of the Hebrew Scriptures also point to this coming One, even if not exclusively so. For instance, Psalm 2:2 evidently had first application at the time when Philistine kings tried to unseat anointed King David. But a second application, to the foretold Messiah, is established by Acts 4:25-27, where the text is applied to Jesus Christ. Also, many of the men called “anointed” in various ways prefigured, or pictured, Jesus Christ and the work he would do; among these were David, the high priest of Israel, and Moses (spoken of as “Christ” at Heb 11:23-26).

Prophecies not using “Messiah.” Numerous other Hebrew Scripture texts that do not specifically mention “Messiah” were understood by the Jews as prophecies applying to that one. Alfred Edersheim located 456 passages to which the “ancient Synagogue referred as Messianic,” and there were 558 references in the most ancient rabbinic writings supporting such applications. (The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, 1906, Vol. I, p. 163; Vol. II, pp. 710-737) As an example, Genesis 49:10 prophesied that the ruling scepter would belong to the tribe of Judah and that Shiloh would come through that line. The Targum of Onkelos, the Jerusalem Targums, and the Midrash all recognize the expression “Shiloh” as applying to the Messiah.

The Hebrew Scriptures contain many prophecies that provide details about the Messiah’s background, time of appearance, activities, treatment by others, and place in God’s arrangement. The various indications about the Messiah thus combined to form one grand picture that would help true worshipers to identify him. This would provide a basis for faith in him as the true Leader sent by Jehovah. Though the Jews did not recognize ahead of time all the prophecies that related to the Anointed One, the evidence in the Gospels shows that they had sufficient knowledge by which to recognize the Messiah when he did appear.

Understanding in the First Century C.E. The historical information available reveals a general picture of the extent of understanding about the Messiah prevalent among Jews in the first century of the Common Era.
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King and son of David. It was commonly accepted among the Jews that the Messiah would be a king of the line of David. When the astrologers asked about “the one born king of the Jews,” Herod the Great knew that they were asking about “the Christ.” (Mt 2:2-4) Jesus questioned the Pharisees as to whose descendant the Christ, or Messiah, would be. Though those religious leaders did not believe in Jesus, they knew that the Messiah would be David’s son.—Mt 22:41-45.

Born in Bethlehem. Micah 5:2, 4 had indicated that out of Bethlehem would come one to be “ruler in Israel” who would “be great as far as the ends of the earth.” This was understood to refer to the Messiah. When Herod the Great asked the chief priests and scribes where the Messiah was to be born, they answered, “In Bethlehem of Judea,” and quoted Micah 5:2. (Mt 2:3-6) And even some of the common people knew this.—Joh 7:41, 42.

A prophet who would perform many signs. Through Moses, God had foretold the coming of a great prophet. (De 18:18) In Jesus’ day Jews were waiting for this one. (Joh 6:14) The way in which the apostle Peter used Moses’ words, at Acts 3:22, 23, indicates he knew they would be accepted as Messianic in nature even by religious opposers, and this gives evidence of widespread understanding of Deuteronomy 18:18. The Samaritan woman by the well also thought the Messiah would be a prophet. (Joh 4:19, 25, 29) People expected the Messiah to perform signs.—Joh 7:31.

Some variety in beliefs. It is evident that even though knowledge about the coming Messiah was common among the Jews, not all persons had the same knowledge or understanding about that one.
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Wrong Expectations. Luke’s account indicates that many Jews were anxiously expecting the Messiah to appear at the particular time Jesus was on earth. Simeon and other Jews were “waiting for Israel’s consolation” and “Jerusalem’s deliverance” when the babe Jesus was brought to the temple. (Lu 2:25, 38) During the ministry of John the Baptizer, the people “were in expectation” about the Christ, or Messiah. (Lu 3:15) Many, though, expected the Messiah to meet their preconceived notions. The prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures showed the Messiah as coming in two different roles. One was “humble, and riding upon an ass,” whereas the other was “with the clouds of the heavens” to annihilate opposers and have all rulerships serve him. (Zec 9:9; Da 7:13) The Jews failed to appreciate the fact that these prophecies related to two distinct appearances of the Messiah, these appearances occurring at widely separated times.

Jewish sources agree with Luke 2:38 that the people at that time were waiting for Jerusalem’s deliverance. The Jewish Encyclopedia observes: “They yearned for the promised deliverer of the house of David, who would free them from the yoke of the hated foreign usurper, would put an end to the impious Roman rule, and would establish His own reign of peace.” (1976, Vol. VIII, p. 508) They tried to make him an earthly king. (Joh 6:15) When he would not fulfill their expectations, they rejected him.
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a reply to: JoshuaCox
Pardon the weird layout.

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OUTSTANDING PROPHECIES CONCERNING JESUS AND THEIR FULFILLMENT

Prophecy Event Fulfillment

Ge 49:10 Born of the tribe Mt 1:2-16; Lu 3:23-33; Heb 7:14

of Judah

Ps 132:11; From the family of Mt 1:1, 6-16; 9:27; Ac 13:22, 23;

Isa 9:7; David the son of Ro 1:3; 15:8, 12

11:1, Jesse

11:10

Mic 5:2 Born in Bethlehem Lu 2:4-11; Joh 7:42

Isa 7:14 Born of a virgin Mt 1:18-23; Lu 1:30-35

Jer 31:15 Babes killed after Mt 2:16-18

his birth

Ho 11:1 Called out of Mt 2:15

Egypt

Mal 3:1; Way prepared Mt 3:1-3; 11:10-14;

4:5; before 17:10-13; Lu 1:17, 76;

Isa 40:3 3:3-6; 7:27; Joh 1:20-23;

3:25-28; Ac 13:24; 19:4

Isa 61:1, 2 Commissioned Lu 4:18-21

Isa 9:1, 2 Ministry caused Mt 4:13-16

people in Naphtali

and Zebulun to see

great light

Ps 78:2 Spoke with Mt 13:11-13, 31-35

illustrations

Isa 53:4 Carried our Mt 8:16, 17

sicknesses

Ps 69:9 Zealous for Mt 21:12, 13; Joh 2:13-17

Jehovah’s house

Isa 42:1-4 As Jehovah’s Mt 12:14-21

servant, would not

wrangle in streets

Isa 53:1 Not believed in Joh 12:37, 38; Ro 10:11, 16

Zec 9:9; Entry into Mt 21:1-9; Mr 11:7-11;

Ps 118:26 Jerusalem on colt Lu 19:28-38;

of an ass; hailed Joh 12:12-15

as king and one

coming in Jehovah’s

name

Isa 28:16; Rejected but Mt 21:42, 45, 46; Ac 3:14;

53:3; becomes chief 4:11; 1Pe 2:7

Ps 69:8; cornerstone

118:22, 23

Isa 8:14, 15 Becomes stone of Lu 20:17, 18; Ro 9:31-33

stumbling

Ps 41:9; One apostle Mt 26:47-50; Joh 13:18, 26-30;

109:8 unfaithful, betrays Ac 1:16-20

him

Zec 11:12 Betrayed for 30 Mt 26:15; 27:3-10; Mr 14:10, 11

pieces of silver

Zec 13:7 Disciples scatter Mt 26:31, 56; Joh 16:32

Ps 2:1, 2 Roman powers and Mt 27:1, 2; Mr 15:1, 15;

leaders of Israel Lu 23:10-12; Ac 4:25-28

act together against

anointed of Jehovah

Isa 53:8 Tried and condemned Mt 26:57-68; 27:1, 2, 11-26;

Joh 18:12-14, 19-24, 28-40;

19:1-16

Ps 27:12 Use of false Mt 26:59-61; Mr 14:56-59

witnesses

Isa 53:7 Silent before Mt 27:12-14; Mr 14:61;

accusers 15:4, 5; Lu 23:9

Ps 69:4 Hated without cause Lu 23:13-25; Joh 15:24, 25

Isa 50:6; Struck, spit on Mt 26:67; 27:26, 30; Joh 19:3

Mic 5:1

Ps 22:16, ftn

Impaled Mt 27:35; Mr 15:24, 25;

Lu 23:33; Joh 19:18, 23;

20:25, 27

Ps 22:18 Lots cast for Mt 27:35; Joh 19:23, 24

garments

Isa 53:12 Numbered with Mt 26:55, 56; 27:38;

sinners Lu 22:37

Ps 22:7, 8 Reviled while on Mt 27:39-43; Mr 15:29-32

stake

Ps 69:21 Given vinegar and Mt 27:34, 48; Mr 15:23, 36

gall

Ps 22:1 Forsaken by God to Mt 27:46; Mr 15:34

enemies

Ps 34:20; No bones broken Joh 19:33, 36

Ex 12:46

Isa 53:5; Pierced Mt 27:49; Joh 19:34, 37;

Zec 12:10 Re 1:7

Isa 53:5, Dies sacrificial Mt 20:28; Joh 1:29;

8, death to carry away Ro 3:24; 4:25; 1Co 15:3;

11, sins and open way Heb 9:12-15; 1Pe 2:24;

12 to righteous 1Jo 2:2

standing with God

Isa 53:9 Buried with the Mt 27:57-60; Joh 19:38-42

rich

Jon 1:17; In grave parts of Mt 12:39, 40; 16:21; 17:23;

2:10 three days, then 27:64; 28:1-7; Ac 10:40;

resurrected 1Co 15:3-8

Ps 16:8-11, ftn

Raised before Ac 2:25-31; 13:34-37

corruption

Ps 2:7 Jehovah declares Mt 3:16, 17; Mr 1:9-11;

him His Son by Lu 3:21, 22; Ac 13:33;

spirit begetting Ro 1:4; Heb 1:5; 5:5

and by resurrection

Something I skipped earlier:

The Jewish Encyclopedia lists 28 false Messiahs between the years 132 C.E. and 1744 C.E.—Vol. X, pp. 252-255.

a reply to: whereislogic

So now all the JW org group are here

Leave me out of this or I will lay hands on you

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Geese Josh, that's a lot of comments
Believe what you want to believe
Please, believe what you decide is right, due diligence and all, it's not my responsibility to make you believe or disbelieve

I disagree with you, I have probably spent more time studying what I believe gives me a balanced view. From Catholic to atheist to christian

I disagree with what you have written, seriously it's childish
Messiah, mashiach, it's irrelevant
Jesus was in Genesis, all through the OT
I disagree, get over it, you are like one of those despised fundy Christians who just doesn't get it, who doesn't stop
I disagree, now get over it



AND NO I never said the Jews were waiting for the Son of God messiah, you did
Stupid to say that i said that when I didn't
Why say I said that.

liar

Then please find a Jewish site that agrees with your beliefs...

Or as I asked earlier if Christianity was fake would you want to know???

Because believing what you want even against definitive evidence is arguably fundamentalist.. and fundamentalist is almost always a bad thing.

a reply to: whereislogic

I'm not seeing your point....

Any quotes from the Bible are useless when talking about Judaism and ANY Jewish site will confirm what I have said here...


"Modern scholars suggest that the messianic concept was introduced later in the history of Judaism, during the age of the prophets. They note that the messianic concept is not explicitly mentioned anywhere in the Torah (the first five books of the Bible).

However, traditional Judaism maintains that the messianic idea has always been a part of Judaism. The mashiach is not mentioned explicitly in the Torah, because the Torah was written in terms that all people could understand, and the abstract concept of a distant, spiritual, future reward was beyond the comprehension of some people. However, the Torah contains several references to "the End of Days" (acharit ha-yamim), which is the time of the mashiach; thus, the concept of mashiach was known in the most ancient times."


The Christian bible is not a history book of what Jews believe.... or believed..

originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Pardon the weird layout.

...
OUTSTANDING PROPHECIES CONCERNING JESUS AND THEIR FULFILLMENT

Prophecy Event Fulfillment

Ge 49:10 Born of the tribe Mt 1:2-16; Lu 3:23-33; Heb 7:14

of Judah

Ps 132:11; From the family of Mt 1:1, 6-16; 9:27; Ac 13:22, 23;

Isa 9:7; David the son of Ro 1:3; 15:8, 12

11:1, Jesse

11:10

Mic 5:2 Born in Bethlehem Lu 2:4-11; Joh 7:42

Isa 7:14 Born of a virgin Mt 1:18-23; Lu 1:30-35

Jer 31:15 Babes killed after Mt 2:16-18

his birth

Ho 11:1 Called out of Mt 2:15

Egypt

Mal 3:1; Way prepared Mt 3:1-3; 11:10-14;

4:5; before 17:10-13; Lu 1:17, 76;

Isa 40:3 3:3-6; 7:27; Joh 1:20-23;

3:25-28; Ac 13:24; 19:4

Isa 61:1, 2 Commissioned Lu 4:18-21

Isa 9:1, 2 Ministry caused Mt 4:13-16

people in Naphtali

and Zebulun to see

great light

Ps 78:2 Spoke with Mt 13:11-13, 31-35

illustrations

Isa 53:4 Carried our Mt 8:16, 17

sicknesses

Ps 69:9 Zealous for Mt 21:12, 13; Joh 2:13-17

Jehovah’s house

Isa 42:1-4 As Jehovah’s Mt 12:14-21

servant, would not

wrangle in streets

Isa 53:1 Not believed in Joh 12:37, 38; Ro 10:11, 16

Zec 9:9; Entry into Mt 21:1-9; Mr 11:7-11;

Ps 118:26 Jerusalem on colt Lu 19:28-38;

of an ass; hailed Joh 12:12-15

as king and one

coming in Jehovah’s

name

Isa 28:16; Rejected but Mt 21:42, 45, 46; Ac 3:14;

53:3; becomes chief 4:11; 1Pe 2:7

Ps 69:8; cornerstone

118:22, 23

Isa 8:14, 15 Becomes stone of Lu 20:17, 18; Ro 9:31-33

stumbling

Ps 41:9; One apostle Mt 26:47-50; Joh 13:18, 26-30;

109:8 unfaithful, betrays Ac 1:16-20

him

Zec 11:12 Betrayed for 30 Mt 26:15; 27:3-10; Mr 14:10, 11

pieces of silver

Zec 13:7 Disciples scatter Mt 26:31, 56; Joh 16:32

Ps 2:1, 2 Roman powers and Mt 27:1, 2; Mr 15:1, 15;

leaders of Israel Lu 23:10-12; Ac 4:25-28

act together against

anointed of Jehovah

Isa 53:8 Tried and condemned Mt 26:57-68; 27:1, 2, 11-26;

Joh 18:12-14, 19-24, 28-40;

19:1-16

Ps 27:12 Use of false Mt 26:59-61; Mr 14:56-59

witnesses

Isa 53:7 Silent before Mt 27:12-14; Mr 14:61;

accusers 15:4, 5; Lu 23:9

Ps 69:4 Hated without cause Lu 23:13-25; Joh 15:24, 25

Isa 50:6; Struck, spit on Mt 26:67; 27:26, 30; Joh 19:3

Mic 5:1

Ps 22:16, ftn

Impaled Mt 27:35; Mr 15:24, 25;

Lu 23:33; Joh 19:18, 23;

20:25, 27

Ps 22:18 Lots cast for Mt 27:35; Joh 19:23, 24

garments

Isa 53:12 Numbered with Mt 26:55, 56; 27:38;

sinners Lu 22:37

Ps 22:7, 8 Reviled while on Mt 27:39-43; Mr 15:29-32

stake

Ps 69:21 Given vinegar and Mt 27:34, 48; Mr 15:23, 36

gall

Ps 22:1 Forsaken by God to Mt 27:46; Mr 15:34

enemies

Ps 34:20; No bones broken Joh 19:33, 36

Ex 12:46

Isa 53:5; Pierced Mt 27:49; Joh 19:34, 37;

Zec 12:10 Re 1:7

Isa 53:5, Dies sacrificial Mt 20:28; Joh 1:29;

8, death to carry away Ro 3:24; 4:25; 1Co 15:3;

11, sins and open way Heb 9:12-15; 1Pe 2:24;

12 to righteous 1Jo 2:2

standing with God

Isa 53:9 Buried with the Mt 27:57-60; Joh 19:38-42

rich

Jon 1:17; In grave parts of Mt 12:39, 40; 16:21; 17:23;

2:10 three days, then 27:64; 28:1-7; Ac 10:40;

resurrected 1Co 15:3-8

Ps 16:8-11, ftn

Raised before Ac 2:25-31; 13:34-37

corruption

Ps 2:7 Jehovah declares Mt 3:16, 17; Mr 1:9-11;

him His Son by Lu 3:21, 22; Ac 13:33;

spirit begetting Ro 1:4; Heb 1:5; 5:5

and by resurrection

Something I skipped earlier:

The Jewish Encyclopedia lists 28 false Messiahs between the years 132 C.E. and 1744 C.E.—Vol. X, pp. 252-255.

Lol yea your using Christian revisionist history to make an argument that Christianity is not using a revisionist history.. lol

a reply to: Raggedyman

you are like one of those despised fundy Christians who just doesn't get it, who doesn't stop

followed by

AND NO I never said the Jews were waiting for the Son of God messiah, you did Stupid to say that i said that when I didn't Why say I said that. liar

You sir are funny.

No Dr1, who are you and why do I care what you think. Some internet troll? That would be my guess.

So a person initially responds to you with a question and their point of view which obviously differed from your view and instead of engaging the post and answering the question posed you simply post this

Says you, and you are who exactly

So someone has an opinion and a question and this is your response.



and you call others fundy Christians who just don't get it or internet trolls.

When you respond to persons a question and opinion as you did you should expect a response on the same intellectual level as you just did.

But one would really have to be an challenged in many, many ways to then turn around and say

and to be truthful I don't even understand your point Are you saying I denied the Old Testament, where? A fool would argue with a fool

So who doesn't get it ?

It was a simple question they initially asked before you responded like a child (which is also something you like to call other opinions)

They asked what God you were referring to?

Followed by their opinion.

Your response and following responses trying to belittle the poster is just what a person with a fundamental way of thinking would do.

Its usually those fundamental types that are guilty of everything they point they fingers at that others do.

I have also learned to ignore people who say inflammatory stupid things like originally posted by: Dr1Akula As long as you talk about the Jewish God, the ''Jewish book'' is all you have... Because its wrong originally posted by: Dr1Akula Christianity is just a heresy of Judaism. Ludicrous comment originally posted by: Dr1Akula If you deny the roots of the old testament you have nothing. Childish and ignorant But I do understand where you are coming from, see I was like you once.

You have learned to ignore people that make inflammatory statements?

They asked you a question and you interpreted their opinion as offensive, like I have pointed numerous times.

OK, its your opinion that they are inflammatory,

However, If you have learned to ignore what you consider inflammatory why did you respond?

Why did you respond in the way you did and then turn around and say you don't actually understand what they said?

So to conclude I will quote you again because there are no better words that fit, I guess you know yourself the best so your words would be best fitting.

you are like one of those despised fundy Christians who just doesn't get it, who doesn't stop

absolutely brilliant.

Keep up the hard work raggadyman its always interesting seeing a train wreck happen

a reply to: Raggedyman

I was pointing out the common misconceptions not laying them at your feet.

I bet 95% of Christians couldn't tell you any of the things I listed and in fact believe the opposite.

I bet if you asked most Christians they believe that Jews were awaiting the son of God, that there is not one messiah, exc..

I wasn't saying that you personally believed those things, just that it is the normal Sunday chill script and thus what most people believe.

Christians have rewritten Jewish history for self validation, as the quote I posted confirmed.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

Not in a bad way brother but your entire post was an ad hominem attack rather than actually addressing points and counterpoints as well...

a reply to: InhaleExhale

Thank you, I think it's brilliant as well.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Raggedyman

I was pointing out the common misconceptions not laying them at your feet.

I bet 95% of Christians couldn't tell you any of the things I listed and in fact believe the opposite.

I bet if you asked most Christians they believe that Jews were awaiting the son of God, that there is not one messiah, exc..

I wasn't saying that you personally believed those things, just that it is the normal Sunday chill script and thus what most people believe.

Christians have rewritten Jewish history for self validation, as the quote I posted confirmed.

You are probably right
I can and will not respond for others beliefs

I don't think Christians have written Jewish history

The Old Testament is still in existence and confirmed by the dead sea scrolls, written prior to Christianity and found after

a reply to: Raggedyman

In common culture, not to Jews.

Their beliefs are nearly unchanged. You even have to learn Hebrew.

But if you ask the average non Jew, they will tell you the the Christian version of judaism which is incredibly inaccurate.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Because?
Let me guess

Only you know the secret wisdom

a reply to: Raggedyman

No actually I'm taking modern Jews and historians word for it..

Lol

The opposite of that would be thinking Christians secretly have it all right and EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG.

And isn't that the speil for all religions??

We are right and everyone else is wrong.. we hold secret wisdom and no one else does.

It is just a misconception so common my western civ teacher taught it as a fact.

She is a bad example I guess because she gave an "I'm a Christian and don't believe in evolution " disclaimer at the beginning of class..

I have met many Messianic Jews, I have an aunt who is a messianic Jew, she is from traditional Jewish heritage, brought up in a Jewish family, believes Jesus is God
en.wikipedia.org...

I dont have a secret, I have Jesus
We disagree, its ok, move along