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originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Sorry, sorry
Who are you to decide what my aunt considers herself to be is tight or wrong, you arrogant self deluded nobody
Who do you think you are
My Aunty Hazel considers herself a Messianic Jew, Star of David, Jewish heritage from Europe, European Jewish Heritage (do you know what that means) and background and you, you petulant arrogant nobody, you decide what she is, you, an Internet nobody decides what category she is labeled according to your opinion
Your opinion is above what she calls herself because you are so self righteous and arrogant you decide what other people are.
They can't be anything unless you say it's ok
She can't claim her Jewish heritage because you say she can't, you are not worth this
"What About Jews for Jesus? Jews for Jesus is one branch of a wider movement called Messianic Jews. Members of this movement are not accepted as Jewish by the broader Jewish community, even though some adherents may have been born Jewish and their ritual life includes Jewish practices. While an individual Jew could accept Jesus as the messiah and technically remain Jewish — rejection of any core Jewish belief or practice does not negate one’s Jewishness — the beliefs of messianic Jews are theologically incompatible with Judaism."
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Raggedyman
No what the Jewish religions belief system is and was is recorded record. Not opinion. There are still many many Jewish organizations and internet sources to check.
An opinion would be "I think all Jews are awesome!"
A fact is Jews in the past and present have maintained "X" belief system.
It is not really debatable when it is easy to check.
A son of God doesn't exist in Judaism.. he was not predicted to have a son and no Jew is expecting a son of God to arrive.
6"Yet I have set my King on my holy hill of Zion."
7 I will tell of the decree. Yahweh said to me, "You are my son. Today I have become your father.
8 Ask of me, and I will give the nations for your inheritance, the uttermost parts of the earth for your possession.
Moreover Yahweh tells you that Yahweh will make you a house. 12When your days are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall proceed out of your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14I will be his father, and he shall be my son.
Christians through revisionist history have assigned all of those beliefs to Judaism to lend itself credibility .
15But to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16But whenever one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
From the pov of ancient Jews , modern Jews and all the Jews in between that was not their interpretation.
A son of God doesn't exist in Judaism.. he was not predicted to have a son and no Jew is expecting a son of God to arrive.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: whereislogic
And not surprisingly we have known about the hittites since at least the 1800s...
en.m.wikipedia.org...
So your remembering the encyclopedia denying them is showing how solid your memory is....
As archaeological discoveries revealed the scale of the Hittite kingdom in the second half of the 19th century,...
Before the discoveries, the only source of information about Hittites had been the Old Testament.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: whereislogic
Jews don't believe the other messiahs are false, Christians do.
False Messiahs. After Jesus’ death, the Jews followed many false Messiahs, as Jesus had foretold. (Mt 24:5) “From Josephus it appears that in the first century before the destruction of the Temple [in 70 C.E.] a number of Messiahs arose promising relief from the Roman yoke, and finding ready followers.” (The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. X, p. 251) Then, in 132 C.E., Bar Kokhba (Bar Koziba), one of the most prominent of the pseudomessiahs, was hailed as Messiah-king. In crushing the revolt that he led, Roman soldiers killed thousands of Jews. While such false Messiahs illustrate that many Jews were primarily interested in a political Messiah, they also show that they properly expected a personal Messiah, not just a Messianic era or Messianic nation. Some believe Bar Kokhba was a descendant of David, which would have aided his Messianic claim. However, since the genealogical records evidently were destroyed in 70 C.E., later claimants to the office of Messiah could not establish proof that they were of David’s family. (The Messiah therefore had to appear before 70 C.E., as Jesus did, in order to prove his claim as the heir of David. This shows that persons still looking for the Messiah’s earthly appearance are in error.) Among such later false claimants to messiahship were Moses of Crete, who asserted he would divide the sea between Crete and Palestine, and Serenus, who misled many Jews in Spain. The Jewish Encyclopedia lists 28 false Messiahs between the years 132 C.E. and 1744 C.E.—Vol. X, pp. 252-255.
The Jewish Encyclopedia lists 28 false Messiahs between the years 132 C.E. and 1744 C.E.—Vol. X, pp. 252-255.