Surya 1 and 2 : India's ICBM's

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posted on May, 15 2005 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3
ok vendetta is a go..

India built nukes because china built em in 64...

India does not occupy a muslim state..

WTF does that mean..??
What part of "India has more muslims than pakistan" did you not get..??

And for your information the militants drove out over 400,000 hindu pundits from kashmir in order to "make" the state a muslim majority
Just like what you chicoms did to Tibet by pouring in han chinese from everywhere!!



is that quote mine because i didn't write that..




posted on May, 15 2005 @ 07:49 AM
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that was a typo.. corrected it while you were preparing the abv post..



posted on May, 15 2005 @ 09:43 AM
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How I wish India too had a cultural revolution....


Anyway, getting back, chinawhite(or anyone else) can you give me info on the payload, range, CEP's of Chinese ICBM's.

[edit on 15-5-2005 by Stealth Spy]



posted on May, 15 2005 @ 01:01 PM
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www.missilethreat.com...'s%20Republic%20of%20China

Some of missilethreat's info are unrealiable and do not contain the latest info but it is still good in some aspects.

The two most dangerous ICBMs to US in the future are the JL2/DF-31 and DF-41.

CSS-NX-5 (JL-2)


Country: People’s Republic of China
Alternate Name: JL-2
Class: SLBM
Basing: Submarine-launched
Payload: Single warhead or 3-8 MIRV, 1,050 to 2,800 kg
Warhead: Nuclear single 1 MT or MIRV selectable 20, 90, 150 kT
Length: 16.00 m
Diameter: 2.00 m
Launch Weight: 52,000 kg
Propulsion: 3-stage solid
Range: 8,000 km
Status: Development
In Service: Exp. 2005


Details

The CSS-NX-5 is an intercontinental-range, submarine-launched, solid propellant ballistic missile under development in the People’s Republic of China (PRC). It is the Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missile (SLBM) of the newest generation of PRC missiles. It is believed to have been developed along with the DF-23 land-based missile, which was later redesignated to the DF-31 (CSS-9). The CSS-NX-5 is reported to be similar to the CSS-9 and it is considered possible for the two missiles to be nearly identical. The CSS-NX-5 is designed for launch from the PRC Type 94 missile submarine, to replace the aging CSS-N-3 missiles currently in operation.

The CSS-NX-5, unlike the CSS-N-3, truly secures the PRC missile force against attack. The CSS-NX-5 has sufficient range to strike US and Russian targets from PRC territorial waters, protected by the PRC air force and navy. Its mobility is such that once at sea it can avoid detection and conduct missile launches before it can be found and destroyed. As it can be equipped with Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle (MIRV) warheads, a single missile can be used to destroy multiple targets, dramatically increasing the damage a single missile submarine could inflict. And as the submarine can also transport the missiles to locations near the target, everywhere in the US and Russia is vulnerable. The CSS-NX-5 missiles can be hidden and protected against a first strike, can inflict considerable damage on their own, and can strike any target within the United States.

Unlike the CSS-N-3, the CSS-NX-5 is not necessarily a first strike weapon. Despite the fact that the missile submarine force is too small to truly provide a guaranteed deterrent, the CSS-NX-5 has sufficient range to allow the missile submarine to be heavily guarded in PRC territorial waters. Though it is still small enough to be theoretically eliminated prior to a first strike, it can be defended sufficiently to not be worth the risk of launch. However, the CSS-NX-5 still has distinct advantages as a first strike weapon. It can be positioned near US waters and be launched without warning. This would prevent a successful evacuation of a target area, such as the White House, and would enable high level strategic targets to be destroyed with minimal warning. The estimated accuracy is insufficient for use against missile silos with MIRV warheads, and single warhead missiles could not be deployed in sufficient numbers to hinder US or Russian missile forces. However, a large quantity of the US missile force will be vulnerable to a first strike should PRC guidance systems be upgraded to the point where a SLBM MIRV warhead can successfully destroy a hardened silo.

The CSS-NX-5 has a minimum range of 2,000 km (1243 miles), a maximum range greater than 8,000 km (4971 miles), and carries a payload of 1,050 to 2,800 kg. This payload is believed able to be equipped with either a single 1 MT yield nuclear warhead or between 3 and 8 MIRV warheads. The MIRV warheads probably weigh between 250 and 300 kg apiece and can be set to a nuclear yield of 20, 90 or 150 kT. The missile will likely be capable of being equipped with penetration aids to decrease the effectiveness of anti-missile defense systems. The system uses an inertial guidance system with stellar updates and a Global Positioning Satellite (GPS) system. An accuracy of 300 m CEP has been suggested, but other reports suggest 150 m CEP, which seems to better reflect current guidance technology. The missile uses a three-stage solid propellant engine.

The CSS-NX-5 is believed to have entered the initial design stage in 1970 along with a land-based DF-23, but both were redesigned in 1985 following an operational requirement change. This change probably occurred to take into account advancements in PRC warhead miniaturization technology. The CSS-NX-5 is expected to enter service in 2005, onboard the first Type 94 nuclear missile submarine expected to be completed that same year. Between four and six Type 94 submarines are expected to be built, carrying 16 to 18 CSS-NX-5 missiles each. It is considered possible that the remaining ‘Xia’ class submarine was modified to carry CSS-NX-5 missiles, but it is probable that upgraded CSS-N-3 missiles were installed instead.

DF-41
CSS-X-10 (DF-41)


Country: People’s Republic of China
Alternate Name: DF-41
Class: ICBM
Basing: Silo based, road/rail mobile
Payload: Single warhead or 6 to 10 MIRV, 2,500kg
Warhead: Nuclear single 1 MT or MIRV with selectable 20, 90, 150 kT
Length: 21.00 m
Diameter: 2.20 m
Launch Weight: 80,000 kg
Propulsion: 3-stage solid
Range: 12,000-14,000 km
Status: Development


Details

The CSS-X-10 is an intercontinental range, road/rail mobile, solid propellant ballistic missile. As the missile is still in development, much of the information available is estimation or conjecture. The CSS-X-10 is the next land-based ballistic missile to be deployed in the People’s Republic of China (PRC) and represents the peak of PRC missile technology. It has been reported that the missile consists of the first two stages of the CSS-9 with a lengthened third stage, but it is likely that report referred to the updated version of the CSS-9 rather than the CSS-X-10. The CSS-X-10 appears similar to the Russian SS-27 and it is possible SS-27 technology was purchased or stolen. The CSS-X-10 is easily capable of striking the United States and will likely become the core of the PRC’s nuclear strike force.

There is insufficient information about the CSS-X-10 to determine its effective use. Given the accuracy on the CSS-9, it will likely be capable of destroying Russian and Indian hardened missile silos, as those are engaged well within its maximum range. It is unlikely that the current guidance system can be used to destroy US silos. However, it is believed that the PRC has been attempting to acquire modern Russian guidance systems, and it is likely that they will eventually develop the guidance systems to allow Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicles (MIRVs) to destroy US missile silos. This would make it an extremely effective first-strike weapon. At the moment, however, it will likely be used to depopulate civilian centers as a strategic threat and to apply political pressure. It will most likely be primarily deployed against the United States, as India and Russia can be attacked with shorter-range systems that the PRC has in large numbers.

The development of the CSS-X-10 system significantly increases the strategic force that the PRC possesses. The range and capabilities of the CSS-X-10 make it the most advanced missile in the PRC arsenal and a significant threat to the United States. The PRC has shown it is willing to use nuclear weapons to achieve political gain. During a 1996 confrontation regarding PRC missile tests off the coast of the island of Taiwan, a senior Communist Chinese official (and frequent policy spokesman), told a US official not to interfere with relations between the PRC and Taiwan because Americans “care more about Los Angeles than they do Tai Pei.” The ability of the CSS-X-10 to strike the continental United States restricts US foreign policy and undermines US influence in Asia. The concealment and mobility of the system makes it impossible to completely destroy during a pre-emptive strike, leaving the United States completely vulnerable to the system until the development of an effective ballistic missile system. The placement of decoys on the missile will significantly decrease the effectiveness of the system currently planned for 2005 deployment by the Bush administration.

The CSS-X-10 is believed to be approximately 21.0 m in length, 2.2 m in diameter, and have a launch weight of 80,000 kg. Its payload probably carries either a single warhead or between 6 and 10 MIRV with a total weight of 2,500 kg. Its warheads can be single 1 MT nuclear warhead or a selectable yield of 20, 90 or 150 kT on each MIRV. It has an estimated range of between 12,000 and 14,000 km (7456 and 8699 miles). It uses inertial guidance, likely with stellar updates and a Global Positioning Satellite (GPS) system, which provides it with an accuracy of 100-500 m CEP. The CSS-X-10 uses a three-stage solid propellant engine.

The CSS-X-10 program is believed to have entered development in 1986. The CSS-X-10 program is probably finishing its development or entering service now. There is expected to be a total of 96 missiles produced, with half remaining mobile and launch-ready, with the other 48 being stored in silos after the first phase of deployment. Nominally, the CSS-X-10 is set to replace the CSS-4, but both will probably be kept operational to maximize the nuclear force of the PRC. As there are a limited number of missiles in the PRC that can strike the United States, it is unlikely that the CC-4 will be replaced in the near future. Only after the CSS-X-10 has achieved sufficient numbers will new missiles begin to replace the CSS-4 systems currently in service.

JL-2 is already completed and manufacturing right now as we are posting. DF-41 will become available soon in 3-4 years. DF-31A will become available the same time as DF-41. Some sources state 2nd artillery dropped DF-41 for DF-31A but the sources are unreliable and most likely do not contain any truth.



posted on May, 15 2005 @ 01:37 PM
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How I wish India too had a cultural revolution...


Why?

India seems to be making very impressive economic and technological progress right now. The cultural revolution in China set China back at least a decade or two, why would you want the same kind of disaster in India?



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 12:38 AM
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yeah cultural revolution set china back like 2 deacades.. turning back all the progress china made since 1949..

thats why china had to start a fresh in the 1980's to play catch out to the americans and russians.. almost 40 years in some areas...Jet engines/radar..

Now china is pretty close to on par with the tech of the western nations in 90's they will begin to produce more and more indeginous designs..



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 05:14 AM
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Originally posted by xmotex



How I wish India too had a cultural revolution...


Why?



Because some minorities in india are a real pain.

Read my last post in this thread : www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 08:18 AM
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aahh.. stealth spy..
are you related to narendra modi by any chance??



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 01:25 PM
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that is democrasy dd3 we are in dependent to give our view not like china where everthing is under scanner even internet is filterd by govermeant by using supercompuers



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3
aahh.. stealth spy..
are you related to narendra modi by any chance??


Ideologically... yes

Family relationship...no way

I am an RSS crade anyway.It's compulsary in my school.



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy


Because some minorities in india are a real pain.


You can solve it by giving the Kashmir independence.
Another solution would be declare monarchy.

[edit on 16-5-2005 by longbow]



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by longbow

Originally posted by Stealth Spy


Because some minorities in india are a real pain.


You can solve it by giving the Kashmir independence.
Another solution would be declare monarchy.


Minorities are not restricted to only Kashmir


I'd prefer dictatorship to monarchy and do things in Hitler style.


Heil Fuhrer



posted on May, 16 2005 @ 11:07 PM
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india is not bad stealth dont give india a bad name minority is not pain but fantics and this universal problam not just indian.

dont compare with nazis.



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by mirza2003
india is not bad stealth dont give india a bad name minority is not pain but fantics and this universal problam not just indian.

dont compare with nazis.


alright...i agree....i wont.



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 02:52 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy

Originally posted by Daedalus3
aahh.. stealth spy..
are you related to narendra modi by any chance??


Ideologically... yes

Family relationship...no way

I am an RSS crade anyway.It's compulsary in my school.





You're a regular Indian right winger!! well thats all fine..
but remember India's is secular.. mirza is a muslim.. and he no less an Indian than you or me..
And besides we all reside in India..
RSS??!!

You wear that khaki half-chaddi?



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3
RSS??!!

You wear that khaki half-chaddi?


Not all the time...only during gatherings



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by longbow

Originally posted by Stealth Spy


Because some minorities in india are a real pain.


You can solve it by giving the Kashmir independence.
Another solution would be declare monarchy.

[edit on 16-5-2005 by longbow]


hehe nice try..
We'd rather do a bit militant cleansing (the RIGHT kind of ethnic cleansing!!)

here the ethnicity being cleansed if of the "militant" type!

plus we got over 400,000 displaced kashmiris hindus all over India who would just love to go back home and live in peace with their indigenous brethren..



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 03:14 AM
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The cultural revolution never targeted "ethnic" minorities.

It targeted so-called "elites" in the Chinese society and previous anti-Communist members. For example, my grandmother who was a former KMT member was targeted but she was lucky because not many people know about it.

Towards the end, the cultural revolution was more an excuse to rat on someone you hate by falsely accusing them of being a "elite".

You should be grateful that India has not had a cultural revolution, the amount of academics affected by it was horrendous. Luckly, alot of the top, say atomic scientists were protected by Zhou Enlai and Deng Xiaoping who more and more, became the focus of the Gang of Four and the Red Guards towards the end of the revolution.



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 03:25 AM
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yes i don't want a cultural rev and im sue neither does all of india..
it seems we have a hindu fanatic on ATS... of the kind that condone the communal violence that took place in Gujarat...India..
Those are the types that should be cleansed..
cleanse all fanatics...hurray..



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by COWlan
The CSS-NX-5, unlike the CSS-N-3, truly secures the PRC missile force against attack. The CSS-NX-5 has sufficient range to strike US and Russian targets from PRC territorial waters, protected by the PRC air force and navy. Its mobility is such that once at sea it can avoid detection and conduct missile launches before it can be found and destroyed. As it can be equipped with Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicle (MIRV) warheads, a single missile can be used to destroy multiple targets, dramatically increasing the damage a single missile submarine could inflict. And as the submarine can also transport the missiles to locations near the target, everywhere in the US and Russia is vulnerable. The CSS-NX-5 missiles can be hidden and protected against a first strike, can inflict considerable damage on their own, and can strike any target within the United States.


Sure the missile sounds good on paper, but they have had considerable trouble wiuthe their SLNM's.
Also you seem to think that Chinese SSBN's are on par with western ones on terms of stealth and capability. This is a big mistake, they are junk and easily tracked from 10's of km's away if not hundreds. They would be hard pressed to get close to the US mainland if hostilities were imminent.

If china does deploy MIRVed missile on subs the US just may follow suit and reequip the D-5 with MIRVS which are far more accurate than even Chineses ICBM's.





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