Surya 1 and 2 : India's ICBM's

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posted on May, 17 2005 @ 04:12 AM
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Originally posted by mirza2003
that is democrasy dd3 we are in dependent to give our view not like china where everthing is under scanner even internet is filterd by govermeant by using supercompuers


You sure about that?

HU JINTAO IS GAY!

See?




How I wish India too had a cultural revolution...


The cultural revolution set China back by 2 or 3 decades... During the early 1980s China was still recovering from the cultural revolution, not good at all. Now, China and India are both on the way to becoming superpowers, without any cultural revolution.

[edit on 17/5/05 by W4rl0rD]




posted on May, 17 2005 @ 11:39 AM
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w4rlord i think you need this article


China’s Internet filtering regime is the most sophisticated effort of its kind in the world. Compared to similar efforts in other states, China’s filtering regime is pervasive, sophisticated, and effective. It comprises multiple levels of legal regulation and technical control. It involves numerous state agencies and thousands of public and private personnel. It censors content transmitted through multiple methods, including Web pages, Web logs, on-line discussion forums, university bulletin board systems, and e-mail messages. Our testing found efforts to prevent access to a wide range of sensitive materials, from pornography to religious material to political dissent. Chinese citizens seeking access to Web sites containing content related to Taiwanese and Tibetan independence, Falun Gong, the Dalai Lama, the Tiananmen Square incident, opposition political parties, or a variety of anti-Communist movements will frequently find themselves blocked. While it is difficult to describe this widespread filtering with precision, our research documents a system that imposes strong controls on its citizens’ ability to view Internet content.

link if you want full
stroy


w4rlord is not you from sigapore as your avater stated in before

[edit on 17-5-2005 by mirza2003]



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 12:04 PM
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now he's moved off planet to a mining colony..



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 01:26 PM
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Getting back...here's a pic of india's SLV's. I guess the Surya will be a PSLV with re-entry systems.





posted on May, 17 2005 @ 11:32 PM
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Maybe ASLV will doo too.. check the payload weight and the orbital insetion altitude..IMO suitable for ballistic flight



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 05:11 AM
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stealth spy resize image..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


some indian missle



how is india going to afford this on a very small budget????

hyper plane/ manned mission/mach 8 brahmos/Lca.

india has very very small arms budget how are they going to play for this?? in credit



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 05:41 AM
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i see that indias GSLV mk-3 can launch 4 tons into space but weighs 629 tons..?? agree

this launch veichle weighs way to much for only such a small payload. And it hasn't even gone into service yet.

comparable chinese launch viechles

SPECIFICATIONS (CZ-3B)

CZ-3B 5,100 kg to GTO Launch Weight 426 t
CZ-3C 3,800 kg to GTO Launch Weight 345 t

by 2008 chinas going to have a launch veichle The CZ-5 series can deliver 1.5 t~25 t payload to LEO, or 1.5 t~14 t payload to GEO.



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 08:07 AM
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very nice.. lets get the range and payload capacity in first before we start economising on weight.. now shall we??

Besides those rockets have nothing to do with ICBMs.. As I said .. an ASLV would do..



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by chinawhite
stealth spy resize image..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I've left that to seekerof


BTW : i think he'll resize your pic too. That pic you posted is not of the missile but of the GSLV.



how is india going to afford this on a very small budget????

hyper plane/ manned mission/mach 8 brahmos/Lca.

india has very very small arms budget how are they going to play for this?? in credit


india's defence now is 19.8 billion dollars. That's the world's third largest defence budget. Although it dose'nt even come close to America's 445 billion dollar budget, it is by no means a small budget.

That's not very far from China's def budget of 24 billion dollars(most of which is used to pay its huuuuuge army).

Besides, 1 american dollar is valued anyway between 43 to 50 (varying) Indian Rupees. That translates to a lot of rupees and thus DRDO is not facing any puacity of funding whatsoever.

The manned mission to the moon is still in planning stage, and none of it has been financed and nothing has crystallised on that. However the unmanned mission to the moon, Chandrayaan is to happen in 2008 or 2009.

India is also making money with its space programme .



India, which earned Rs3bn last year from its space programmes, expects to net in 10 per cent of the global satellite market within the next five years.

Indian Space Research Organisation chief G Madhavan Nair told newsmen here yesterday he expected to maintain a revenue growth of 25 per cent because “our greatest advantage is the cost-competitiveness of our space programme”.

“The satellite that we just put in orbit, we had spent only Rs3.8bn whereas a similar one in the US will fetch Rs15bn,” he said.

The Isro has on anvil a dual satellite launcher adapter that would simultaneously carry two satellites into the orbit.

Source

and read this too : link



[edit on 18-5-2005 by Stealth Spy]



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 06:23 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy

india's defence now is 19.8 billion dollars. That's the world's third largest defence budget. Although it dose'nt even come close to America's 445 billion dollar budget, it is by no means a small budget.

That's not very far from China's def budget of 24 billion dollars(most of which is used to pay its huuuuuge army).

Besides, 1 american dollar is valued anyway between 43 to 50 (varying) Indian Rupees. That translates to a lot of rupees and thus DRDO is not facing any puacity of funding whatsoever.

The manned mission to the moon is still in planning stage, and none of it has been financed and nothing has crystallised on that. However the unmanned mission to the moon, Chandrayaan is to happen in 2008 or 2009.

[edit on 18-5-2005 by Stealth Spy]


indias defense budget is very small

britian Military expenditures
$42,836.5 million

japan Military expenditures
$45.841 billion (2004)

france
Military expenditures
$45,238.1 million (2003)

germany
Military expenditures
$35.063 billion (2003)

sudi arabias
Military expenditures
$18 billion

south korea
Military expenditures
$16.18 billion 2004

chinas CIA figure
Military expenditures
$67.49 billion (2003 est.)

indias 2004
Military expenditures
$16.97 billion

As you can see indias defense budget is not in the worlds top five military spenders.

not to offen



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 06:25 AM
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Stealth spy you must have got confused by chinas number and all the hype about china spending to much. see thats the threat china poses to the west. with numbers of 24 million western critics still say thats to much



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 06:45 AM
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Originally posted by JADESTONE
India has no need for ICBM .

what India needs is food , cloth, and shelter for its masses.


what did alexander,nepoleon, cesear gain from world domination.

Nothing just pain,death and a lousy place in history





I agree completely. Sitting here, half a world away, I wonder who their target could possibly be, other than me? Their greatest ememy shares a border with them. Their only other opposition is within their sphere of influence. All can be hit with a medium range missile with less than 1000 mile range. That is, unless they consider, the US, Australia, EU, and Russian as potential ememies. Do they know something we don't?



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 06:50 AM
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alright.....but could you source thosed figures ??

agreed....china's defence budget may be higher but 60+ billion is a very unreal estimate....maybe ~45 billion max

check your sources agian .. i am sure india's 2005 defence budget is above 19 billion...which may look small but due to conversion rates ensures that DRDO has no puacity of funds for its development projects



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 06:54 AM
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www.cia.gov...

i checked my figures there right.

offical chinese spending 2005 around $30 billion

www.globalsecurity.org...



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by soulforge

Originally posted by JADESTONE
India has no need for ICBM .

what India needs is food , cloth, and shelter for its masses.


what did alexander,nepoleon, cesear gain from world domination.

Nothing just pain,death and a lousy place in history





I agree completely. Sitting here, half a world away, I wonder who their target could possibly be, other than me? Their greatest ememy shares a border with them. Their only other opposition is within their sphere of influence. All can be hit with a medium range missile with less than 1000 mile range. That is, unless they consider, the US, Australia, EU, and Russian as potential ememies. Do they know something we don't?


Apart from the food/cloth/shelter rhetoric which Im tired of hearing..
.. I too don't see the need for India to develop ICBMs..
SLBMs yes... they're handy always..
But not ICBMs..
Or maybe its a stepping stone to another project..I really dont know..



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by soulforge
Sitting here, half a world away, I wonder who their target could possibly be, other than me? Their greatest ememy shares a border with them. Their only other opposition is within their sphere of influence. All can be hit with a medium range missile with less than 1000 mile range. That is, unless they consider, the US, Australia, EU, and Russian as potential ememies. Do they know something we don't?


Read my first post, India's ICBM's are primarily intended for China.

Rember China launched a surprise attack on India in 1962 soon after India had signed a freindship pact with the latter and therefore cannot be trusted.

Although the Agni-3 IRBM would be able to reach almost all targets in china, it would be advantageous to use missiles of greater range for shorter targets as they would hit them with greater kinetic energy.

Besides ICBM's are handy all the time.The Iraq war bears testymony to that statement. BTW : India alredy have Submarine launched ballistic missiles and a blue water navy.



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 12:59 PM
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NEW DELHI: Hardly a month after India and China signed a landmark agreement to settle their border dispute, a Chinese Army patrol has intruded deep into Indian territory and stayed there for close to 24 hours before withdrawing on May 10.



The border violation took place in Asafila area of the Upper Subansiri district of Arunachal Pradesh.

This is the same area where on June 26, 2003, a Chinese Army team had intruded into India, stripped Indian intelligence officials of personal weapons and held them hostage for several hours.

The incident had coincided with the then prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's official visit to China. The issue was taken up by India with the Chinese government then.

The latest intrusion was carried out by a five-member team of the Chinese Army, sources say.

The patrol reached the border on May 10 and crossed over the next day, trekking some five kilometers into the Indian side.

They spent almost the entire day inside Indian side before retreating.

By May 12, the patrol team had fully withdrawn to their normal stated position beyond the Line of Actual Control.

"Our troops did not allow the situation to get out of hand," sources told Indiatimes News Network . There was no exchange of fire.

The government and Ministry of External Affairs are in the know of things, sources said.

But there was no immediate confirmation if the issue has been taken up with China through diplomatic channels.

When contacted by this website, Ministry of External Affairs spokesman, Navtej Sarna, said he had no information regarding the issue.

The Asafila area, one of the eight pockets of dispute in Arunachal Pradesh, is patrolled by Indo-Tibetan Border Police.

What is baffling is thatthe intrusion came just a month after the highly successful visit of Chinese premier Wen Jiabao to India. ??

Among the agreements concluded during his visit, the most noticeable one was the "Political Parameters and Guiding Principles for the Settlement of the India-China Boundary Question".

There have been occasional claims by India of intrusion by Peoples Liberation Army.

In 2000, Arunachal Pradesh Chief Minister Mukut Mithi claimed there have been repeated incursions by Chinese troops.

Then reports had pointed out that the Chinese had built a mule trail in Kaila Pass in Dibang Valley district.

China officially does not recognise Arunachal Pradesh as an Indian state.

Chinese Army had overrun most of Arunachal Pradesh during the 1962 war, but had vacated it after the war as the indian army pushed them back.

The Line of Actual Control is punctured at many pockets of dispute. In 1986-87 there was a serious flare up of the border stand off between the Indian and Chinese forces in the Sumdorong Chu Valley of Arunachal.

In 1993, the two sides signed an accord to reduce tensions along the border and to respect the LAC.

In 1996 the two sides also put in place many Confidence Building Measures for improving the border peace.

Among the CBMs is an agreement of non-aggression, prior notification of large troop movements and a 10-km no-fly zone for combat aircraft.

Source


China is a dishonourable state which backstabs.



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy


Rember China launched a surprise attack on India in 1962 soon after India had signed a freindship pact with the latter and therefore cannot be trusted.

Although the Agni-3 IRBM would be able to reach almost all targets in china, it would be advantageous to use missiles of greater range for shorter targets as they would hit them with greater kinetic energy.


hehe... kinetic energy doesn't hold for much in a nuclear warhead..If the warhead isn't armed it might as well a meteor falling from the sky





Besides ICBM's are handy all the time.The Iraq war bears testymony to that statement. BTW : India alredy have Submarine launched ballistic missiles and a blue water navy.


I agree with yuo abt the Iraq part but not about the SLBM part.. Im pretty sure India does not haev SLBM capability..
They have the Kilo launched Klub missiles but not ballistic missiles..



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3
I agree with yuo abt the Iraq part but not about the SLBM part.. Im pretty sure India does not haev SLBM capability..
They have the Kilo launched Klub missiles but not ballistic missiles..


India has SLBM capacity with its recently test fired Dhanush Missile which is a SLBM derrivative of the Prithvi-3


Dhanush


Country: India
Class: SLBM
Basing: Submarine launched
Payload: Single warhead, 500 kg
Warhead: HE, nuclear, submunitions
Length: 8.56 m
Diameter: 1.00 m
Launch Weight: 4,600 kg
Propulsion: Single-stage liquid
Range: 250 km
Status: Developed and Tested


Read : pib.nic.in...




Sunday's test was the third trial of Dhanus. The missiles debut trial on April 11, 2000 was not all that successful but its second test-fire, on September 21, 2001, went off smoothly.

The missile has a payload of 500 kilograms (1,100 pounds), is 8.56 meters (28 feet) long and one meter (3.2 feet) wide and has a launch weight of 4,600 kilograms (10,000 pounds), the sources said. It can carry both conventional and nuclear warheads and uses a single-stage liquid propellant engine.

Dhanus is part of India's Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP) which was launched in 1983 to develop and produce a wide range of missiles for surface-to-surface and surface-to-air roles.


from www.spacewar.com...




Read : India Tests Underwater-Launched Missile

India's second Dhanush launch

India's blue water navy



posted on May, 20 2005 @ 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy

Read my first post, India's ICBM's are primarily intended for China.

Rember China launched a surprise attack on India in 1962 soon after India had signed a freindship pact with the latter and therefore cannot be trusted.

Although the Agni-3 IRBM would be able to reach almost all targets in china, it would be advantageous to use missiles of greater range for shorter targets as they would hit them with greater kinetic energy.

Besides ICBM's are handy all the time.The Iraq war bears testymony to that statement. BTW : India alredy have Submarine launched ballistic missiles and a blue water navy.


India attacked china first. remeber that high way china was building. they attacked it and china responed

and blue water navy??? i would hardy call it a green water navy. aircraft carriers dont make a blue water navy you need a whole fleet of supply vessles and a lot more ships. A blue water navy is a navy that can project power a long way from there home bases and stay there. i doubt that indias navy would last long in the pacific. or atlantic.

how much supply ships does india posses? 1,2
How many ships can be spared to protect it?
Is the ship sea worthy (it was made in 1944)?
How far can they project power??

Mods this isn't anything aggressive......





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