Isaac Koi to leave UFOlogy after Ted Roe NARCAP allegedly threatens to expose his anonymity.

a reply to: infomaniachousewife

If you have contact with him could you offer him the right of reply here ?
Staff will ensure communication is respectful and those who wish to see an amicable resolution to this situation will have a chance to speak to Mr Roe in person.

If he now says he didn't mean it we may be able to put this sorry episode to bed , shake hands and move on.

I don't think he will be joining us anytime soon. He's still stamping his foot.

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a reply to: infomaniachousewife

I have not threatened to "out" you.that would be unethical and ethics matter to me. ...unlike a lot of your supporters

That's a good start.

I'm available to talk w anyone that needs to hear it from me...

Many of us are not Facebook members , if you could offer this channel for discussion Mr Roe has the option to either come here or not , if you don't ask you don't get.

I'm sure Mr Roe want's to see an end to this as much as we do , we are all on the same side , infighting does none of us any favours.

I'm available to talk w anyone that needs to hear it from me...

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: infomaniachousewife

I'm sure Mr Roe want's to see an end to this as much as we do

I am not convinced he wants to put an end to it. From reading the facebook dialog, it seems like the problem was his wanting to talk but not wanting to listen and it's not a two-way conversation if you do only one and not the other.

People kept asking him what claims IsaacKoi has made that require knowing his identity to validate them, and Roe kept ignoring that question over and over and if he ever answered it, I never saw the answer. If we were trying to discuss the Lonnie Zamora case without knowing who Lonnie Zamora is, then that would be a problem because the whole case rests on the credibility of that witness and what he says he saw, but I know of no such claims by IsaacKoi and every claim I've seen him make is backed by other sources.

So even if Roe did show up here and I asked him the same question others have repeatedly asked and he just ignored it again, that wouldn't help anything. I think the reason he hasn't answered the question is because there is no plausible answer. There are no claims IsaacKoi has made that require knowing his identity to validate. He provides his sources and you can check those out yourself.

a reply to: gortex

I did. I was talking to him on his page but he just won't accept any responsibility and is now placing the blame on someone who challenged Teds position in all of this.

This started a month ago.. This escalation was purposeful and unnecessary. I can't support that. But i did tell him as you can see.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I am not convinced he wants to put an end to it. From reading the facebook dialog, it seems like the problem was his wanting to talk but not wanting to listen and it's not a two-way conversation if you do only one and not the other.

That is exactly what I am seeing too.

a reply to: infomaniachousewife

Yes , I read the reply's on the page you linked.
What's been said has been said but that shouldn't stop us from trying to move forward , my only interest is keeping Isaac Koi in the field of research he excels at.... Anonymously.
I want more free publications to brows through.

a reply to: infomaniachousewife

All of your posts point to Ted having an agenda to push rather than being interested in discussing the truth. His ignoring of certain questions and repeated insistence that he is an 'authority' to whom deference should be given are smoking guns to me.

As has been mentioned, discussions are two way forms of communication, if one party is not willing to listen to or address certain issues, they are lecturing not conversing.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Ted asked me to be a part of that group of people he now refers to as HIS team and MY people. Where has that come from? His organization isn't organized. HIS team are all already working independently and so is he saying THEIR work is HIS now too? i just do not like his choice of words, they indicate a lot more than is being said. especailly when I was part of private group conversations the minute this started and Ted was having fun with it.

The status has been removed now but a few days ago he posted a status I FEEL GOOD. Gilles asked why does he feel good? he shouldn't feel good. This is the person Ted now blames for the escalation of this and cries that no one is listening to him and we are all trolls.









So as you see according to Ted anyone supporting Isaac is a debunking minion troll... Thats the line trolls use.

As for Teds agenda.. i have no clue what that is anymore. It was supposed to be to start a group to springboard lesser known's research, to give people exposure that never get to because of the noisemakers. suddenly it became a scientific peer reviewed extravaganza with a price tag before anything else was figured out.

His original idea was sound, i don't know why he went off on one. this is just another crappy mess and it didn't happen all by it's own little self. So.. How can Ted NO be a part of the mess as he now states it was everyone else in the same way as my 8 year old does.

a reply to: gortex

I think that Isaac's project is far more important than another snobby UAP group. I think it will be a travesty if he sticks to his word. I want him back on the job as we all do. he was working with another dynamo who i can't promote enough, not sure if it's private so i won't say whop. The point is.. there are people now left with their joint efforts with Isaac, hanging in the air because he is so fed up of it all. who he is is irrelevant and i know some people want names, but thats their issue, there are enough serious people who will accept good data with the name donald duck attached. After all donald duck could end up being someone famous who doesn't want it known.

It's all snobbery

a reply to: infomaniachousewife

It's a sad reflection on NARCAP that their Executive Director conducts himself in such a way , referring to a fellow researcher as "It" and other people interested in the subject as "It's minions" is childish and unprofessional.

Show your support for Isaac by donning a wig.



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a reply to: gortex

Truly! It's so crass.

a reply to: gortex

Which is why this smacks of a deliberate smear campaign to me. Create labels for your 'opponents' and use those labels to demean them. This makes it easier to attack them because once you label something other than what it actually is, you place that person or object at a remove from their or it's actual position.

Referring to Isaac as 'it' is purposeful dehumanization. The constant insistence that Isaac was 'abusive' is another clue to what the goal is of this attempt. Textbook straw man, other logical fallacies are apparent as well.

As for Teds agenda.. i have no clue what that is anymore. It was supposed to be to start a group to springboard lesser known's research, to give people exposure that never get to because of the noisemakers. suddenly it became a scientific peer reviewed extravaganza with a price tag before anything else was figured out.

Maybe the original intent wasn't to 'spread the word' of these lesser known researchers, maybe it was to keep tabs on them in the event they uncovered something those who hide things don't want seen.

It's transformation into some sort of 'peer review' group seems to me as if they are trying to set themselves up as the ultimate authority in this field. This would allow them to place a 'stamp of approval' on anything they published in their 'journal' and call anything not coming from them into question as 'inauthentic.'

Smellier and smellier.




a reply to: Anaana

I PMed you a reply to this.

originally posted by: infomaniachousewife
a reply to: gortex

Truly! It's so crass.

I swear how dense can these people be? People who remain anonymous are where a majority of information comes from. Its a way to defend against reprisal and getting hurt. WHat do they think would happen to them if they had something that the government wanted kept secret? A s long as its not their neck apparently they dont care. But we all know that getting suicided or accussed of child porn or getting killed is not a good thing.

Once again. Roe and his supporters are morons.

originally posted by: infomaniachousewife
a reply to: yuppa

Yes I have. A month ago and again yesterday. he now says he didn't say it. Another "well i did say that but i didn't mean it".

Did you save the conversations? lol i do when talking to someone such as Mr roe. Its good for when you wan tto throw it back in their face and make them look like a right liar.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Also any old narcissist can join if they have the cash. Just think Kal Korff could be a part of that for $75.

a reply to: yuppa

I was crowned "Miss internet screen shot queen of effing everything" last year for doing that very thing. If i miss it, someone else will have sent me it.

Short answer.. Yes. lol

a reply to: infomaniachousewife

I figured that to be the case, the 'vetting' process consists of waiting for a check to clear.

Doesn't sound like an organization into which I'd put much faith.