Donald Trump refuses to say whether he'll accept election results

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: DelMarvel

And that is what SHOULD happen. The public should have a right to question election results if they perceive that there was fraud or irregularities. We should have a right to demand validation. If we did not have this right, what would stop someone from committing fraud? Without this right, someone could commit fraud all they wanted and the loser and public would be obligated to keep their mouth shut and accept the results, thus giving power to criminals.

Good sound logic for any democratic republic. Which is why some think the over reaction caused by Trump, and with the intent, is a reaction of the guilty who figure already to go to those depths of depravity if all other attempts fail.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: DelMarvel

And that is what SHOULD happen. The public should have a right to question election results if they perceive that there was fraud or irregularities. We should have a right to demand validation. If we did not have this right, what would stop someone from committing fraud? Without this right, someone could commit fraud all they wanted and the loser and public would be obligated to keep their mouth shut and accept the results, thus giving power to criminals.

But there's no fraud substantiating all this talk. The election hasn't even happened yet. We only hear about this when Trump loses or thinks he's going to lose.

a reply to: Logarock

Exactly. If Trump had said he would accept the results no matter what, they would have a green light to go for it, and take whatever measures they want to win the election, because they would try to hold Trump to saying he would accept it. It would have been opening the door to election fraud if he had committed to acceptance in advance.

a reply to: DelMarvel


Trump as strategist is smarter than folks understand. Folks that keep asking this question.....but the elections haven't even been held yet, you are the problem. If you were not so ignorant this wouldn't be an issue.

a reply to: BlueAjah


Yes and by God if we don't have the right to Redress the government at any time! These rights make it possible for the people to question the government that, as demonstrated, looks after itself and not the people by blasting Trump for questioning the thing. Maybe we should bear arms to vote to be on the look out for government vote gangsters and the like!

a reply to: DelMarvel

But there's no fraud substantiating all this talk.

Wrong.

There is so much evidence of election fraud that the DNC is doing openly. Disgusting.

Here’s A Rundown of Election Fraud in the 2016 Presidential Race So Far

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Clinton Iowa Caucus EXPOSED! Caught Committing VOTER FRAUD (Video)

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Busted! Document proves DNC, Clinton rigged election

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LEAKED Docs PROVE The Election Is RIGGED In Favor Of Hillary!

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originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: DelMarvel
Trump as strategist is smarter than folks understand.

He's a complete idiot as a strategist. This "rigged election" talk is only going to repress GOP turn out.

He would be in this election had he listened to advice and made a pivot after the primaries. If he had actually memorized a new stump speech and prepped for the debates. Instead he couldn't wean himself from the adrenaline rush of his mini-Nuremberg rallies.

If he was actually "smarter than folks understand" he would have been prepared to deal with October surprise sexual charges which he had to have known were a possibility.

First of all we know a national election can not be swayed by fraud because we do not have a national election. States run elections so its more like we have 50 elections. And with hundreds of millions of people voting the number of votes required to just turn a close election in one state would be impossible to pull off unless you spread it among every county. Even then you have State, Federal, Independent Organizations, International, and Party monitors along with an army of statisticians and lawyers in every key states looking for anything. You would also have to some how manipulate the exit polling because any large statistical variation from that would be a red flag. So pretty much zero chance that anybody could change a national election.

Of course you can not even take what Trump says seriously when he says he will not accept the results unless he wins. When the election is over and he lost he will say, i was just joking only stupid people manipulated by the media think I was really saying the election was rigged.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: olaru12

There were something like 4 million plus slaves freed as a result of the American Civil War.

If civil war happens in the US, it won't be because of Trump. It will be because Americans are finally waking up to the seriously troublesome direction of this country. If we are at the point where elections are a total sham and our leaders are chosen for us, and those taking over power are determined to end our constitutional rights, and if our government has become a corrupt business that wants to keep citizens ignorant and under control via government control of the media... (I could go on and on)... then, you never know what is going to happen.

It is not going to be directed by Trump. You are lumping Trump followers as though wanting to change this country has more to do with a man named Trump than about a portion of the population that wants America to be America again. Trump has become a means to an end. He is the first sign of hope people have had for a long time. And if there is evidence that our country is so far gone that there is evidence that the election is engineered so that the will of the people is usurped, then I think we are going to be in for a rough ride.

Exactly.

Trump is not the cause, he is in fact, the result.

This has been brewing for a long time, and I think Trump is the last step, before the real discontent starts. We've been divided by the media, by the two parties, and by the President himself. It's almost like they are TRYING to make it happen.

However, I do not think it will be started by the right. the riots and cop bashing has already started it. First shots so to speak. The biggest wedge driven into us so far.

Nixon never accepted the results against JFK in '60. Neither did Gore, the darling of the left.

Like Gore, Nixon Wanted Recounts in 1960

Republicans today say Al Gore should learn a lesson from Nixon, who lost an achingly close election in 1960 but stepped aside gracefully and didn't challenge the vote. But this rhetoric is based on a lie: Republicans did indeed mount a massive and prolonged challenged to the 1960 election results.
The challenge began almost immediately. Even before the election, it was clear that it was going to be a very close race. When it began to look like a Kennedy victory, the Republicans were reluctant to concede defeat. In fact in some states, including California, Nixon refused to concede and for good reason, as it turned out. California didn't end up tallying its results until at least 10 days after the election and when it did, the absentee ballots tipped it from Kennedy to Nixon.

www.alternet.org...

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: DelMarvel
Trump as strategist is smarter than folks understand.

He's a complete idiot as a strategist. This "rigged election" talk is only going to repress GOP turn out.

He would be in this election had he listened to advice and made a pivot after the primaries. If he had actually memorized a new stump speech and prepped for the debates. Instead he couldn't wean himself from the adrenaline rush of his mini-Nuremberg rallies.

If he was actually "smarter than folks understand" he would have been prepared to deal with October surprise sexual charges which he had to have known were a possibility.

LOL, it's cute you think that it will repress turnout. If anything, it makes people want to vote more, to flood the polls with votes. That's why he's saying it. That, and the fact that it is happening. No matter how hard you deny it, there has been evidence upon evidence reported over the years of voter fraud.

a reply to: kruphix

This is a cornerstone of our Republic...and just because of Trump's ego, he is going to break tradition.

A cornerstone of ignorance and giving in to peer pressure.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Trump isn't in power. He's just a candidate. He doesn't have to do crap for anyone.

Talk to Obama about peaceful transitions of power.

Obama isn't going to do anything.

At the end of the day, peaceful transitions of power aren't the job of the elected official anyways. It's 100% on the people themselves to accept that as one of our nations principles.

If Trump loses, he can accept or reject the election results, it really doesn't matter. It's squarely on the shoulders of his supporters as to whether they're going to pick up a gun and enforce their version of the election results in Trumps name or not.

a reply to: Aazadan

It's a valid point.
But a number of Trump supporters seem to be somewhat enthralled. Judging from what happens at his revival meetings.

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: DelMarvel
Trump as strategist is smarter than folks understand.

He's a complete idiot as a strategist. This "rigged election" talk is only going to repress GOP turn out.

He would be in this election had he listened to advice and made a pivot after the primaries. If he had actually memorized a new stump speech and prepped for the debates. Instead he couldn't wean himself from the adrenaline rush of his mini-Nuremberg rallies.

If he was actually "smarter than folks understand" he would have been prepared to deal with October surprise sexual charges which he had to have known were a possibility.

Well his people didn't really bite on the "sexual charges" and he knew they wouldn't. And repressed GOP turnout for the rigged talk is just pure wishful thinking. Look for record turnouts and remember I said it.

And there is probably no way you could reasonably understand Trump if you are calling his rallies "Nuremberg".

originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: DelMarvel

And that is what SHOULD happen. The public should have a right to question election results if they perceive that there was fraud or irregularities. We should have a right to demand validation. If we did not have this right, what would stop someone from committing fraud? Without this right, someone could commit fraud all they wanted and the loser and public would be obligated to keep their mouth shut and accept the results, thus giving power to criminals.

Good sound logic for any democratic republic. Which is why some think the over reaction caused by Trump, and with the intent, is a reaction of the guilty who figure already to go to those depths of depravity if all other attempts fail.

this is the absurity and delusion of a trump presidency.

it comes down to simple math trump needs 270 electoral votes

he wont get it and here is why.

use to be utah, arizona and georgia were republican gimmies

utah the reddest state in the union voted republican for over 50 years

because of trump, the mormon independent is leading the republican candidate in utah.

if trump cant win utah, you know he is in trouble.

if trump can win utah, arizona, and georgia (republican gimmies) no way he gets 270 electoral votes.

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: underwerks
What got me was that the question was in the context of how traditionally there's always been a peaceful transition of power even if the results are disagreed with, and he said he'd rather leave everyone guessing. Food for thought.

I know...it's crazy.

This is a cornerstone of our Republic...and just because of Trump's ego, he is going to break tradition.

This is entirely true. It is a cornerstone of our Republic to accept election fraud without question. I guess this is why the USA is in a death spiral. There are questions of legitimacy going back to the start. The USA has serious legitimacy problems.

Trump's break with tradition is a breath of fresh air. I'm not sure why you'd want Trump to write a blank check for election fraud. That is quite a disgraceful opinion you have. You make an excellent slave and I'm sure you are happy on the plantation. I'll recommend master Clinton, because you'll accept it when she calls you "white trash" or whatever epithet she uses all the time when having you serve her food.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Right. Sometimes I forget where I am posting. This is conspiracy-central, where correlation equals causation and evidence is strictly optional.

Not a single case, in 140+ years, where a national election was swung by bad actors, in ten thousand investigations, big or small.

This place was better when it focused on secret space programs and Bigfoot. Obviously.

a reply to: Greggers

Which will be quickly identified by their unstable rants on the internet, located via echelon (or whatever we call it these days) and rounded up by a military with VASTLY superior firepower (think Hellfire missiles) to anything the "second amendment solution" bozos have in their shriveled little "arsenals."

If you want to change the world, you had better start by making it irrelevant, as peacefully as possible, THAT that is the only thing power can't counter with an immortal kit.

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: Xcathdra

Right. Sometimes I forget where I am posting. This is conspiracy-central, where correlation equals causation and evidence is strictly optional.

Not a single case, in 140+ years, where a national election was swung by bad actors, in ten thousand investigations, big or small.

This place was better when it focused on secret space programs and Bigfoot. Obviously.

How would you know if it was "swung"?

No one is gonna come out and say it.

Hell they fixed the world series.