Orlando Nightclub Massacre

originally posted by: ketsuko
So you have a problem with stopping all of it temporarily, but you don't want selective bans? That was the point of stopping all of it temporarily - then you aren't discriminating, you don't want anybody.

I do not want any bans, temporary or permanent. If your background is clear you should be allowed to emigrate here.

a reply to: JimBielson

you keep saying he's bringing terrorists over, provide sources.

originally posted by: vjr1113

originally posted by: JimBielson

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: Shamrock6

It honestly sounds like there were a bunch of cracks that created a perfect storm for this to happen. In 2014 he was on the watch list but somehow managed to renew his security and armed security licenses without any flags going to the FBI and so the renewals went through and weren't up again until next year.

My frustration is mostly towards any time that someone tries to fill one of these cracks in the NRA goes apesh*t and it all devolves into a useless shouting match that cools just in time for the next mass shooting to start the insanity all over again.

And here it comes. Now the NRA is to blame. The guns are to blame. Everyone and everything is to blame except the perpetrator. About 30 pages ago I predicted someone would try to blame the NRA and here we have it. Next it will be the American flag. Someone already got the Christians out of the way by blaming them. We are almost done and soon this guy will be a saint and everything about America will be to blame.

The FBI dropped the ball. Obama could have prevented this but no, he is bringing more Muslim Solders over here to strike again. If you want to blame someone, blame the real culprit or those that let this happen. It sure wasn't the NRA.

SMH..

please link statistics of the amount of muslims obama is bringing over. second, an american buying guns and shooting up a club is a gun problem as he couldn't have done it without them. and who is the biggest sponsor of easy gun accessibility? the nra. this is what happens when an isis supporter has access to easy guns. should it have been easier for him to buy a gun that could kill 50 people or harder?

Ok, so what you are saying is we should change our way of life because some mad haters are going on a rampage? Or is it that it fits your agenda for gun control? You are willing to give up your rights for the illusion of security? You can take every gun in America off the legal streets and you will still have this madness.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

the problem is this guy was an american not an immigrant, so ban on any immigrant wouldnt have prevented this.

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: JimBielson

you keep saying he's bringing terrorists over, provide sources.

Again, do your own research. I could find them but you fail to argue the point hat his is to blame for this. He is.. to blame..

originally posted by: Stormdancer777

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: Stormdancer777

I would think it is time for this contractor to be investigated deeply. That's if the government can find a department that can do it right. DHS probably isn't one.

Frightening to think terrorist belong to and are being aided by our own intelligence agencies.

We are in deep poop

You saw they also work with ICE ... how many are they helping over the borders? Well, of course, this is one guy at this place that worked with ICE, but still ...

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ketsuko
So you have a problem with stopping all of it temporarily, but you don't want selective bans? That was the point of stopping all of it temporarily - then you aren't discriminating, you don't want anybody.

I do not want any bans, temporary or permanent. If your background is clear you should be allowed to emigrate here.

Why? That's not how it works with other countries, so why does it have to always work that way with ours?

originally posted by: vjr1113
the problem is this guy was an american not an immigrant, so ban on any immigrant wouldnt have prevented this.

Which makes the talk of banning everyone that much the nuttier.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Why? That's not how it works with other countries, so why does it have to always work that way with ours?

Because this is the United States and we are a nation of immigrants. Legal immigration makes us stronger.

a reply to: JimBielson

really? how is someone suppose to kill 50 people like he would with a gun, without a gun. i keep hearing that no guns are just as safe as having guns but it makes absolutely no sense. it would make sense that less guns would result in less gun related violence, like we saw in the 90s. so why wouldn't tougher gun laws result in less mass shooting?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yeah, you're right. We already have a problem. Let's just import a lot more of it ...

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UnBreakable

I agree, but his parents also said he was not very religious.

His parents are just covering their butts to avoid gettin killed.

Does anybody know if this shooter's parents ever became American citizens?

a reply to: JimBielson

im challenging your "facts" because i know the number. so i know your fear mongering and obama hating has no merit.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Yeah, you're right. We already have a problem. Let's just import a lot more of it ...

Import more of what? This asshole was born here.

It truly is a sad day in America where we look to curtail the very thing that made us great.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ketsuko
Why? That's not how it works with other countries, so why does it have to always work that way with ours?

Because this is the United States and we are a nation of immigrants. Legal immigration makes us stronger.

Legal immigration only makes us stronger when we can support it and integrate it. If people this guy are not integrated even a generation out, then something isn't working. We didn't integrate the Tsarnaevs either.

a reply to: vjr1113

www.dailymail.co.uk... gay-club.html

9 officers distracter the shooter with an explosive, preventing him from killing many more

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: JimBielson

really? how is someone suppose to kill 50 people like he would with a gun, without a gun. i keep hearing that no guns are just as safe as having guns but it makes absolutely no sense. it would make sense that less guns would result in less gun related violence, like we saw in the 90s. so why wouldn't tougher gun laws result in less mass shooting?

If you dont think for one second people like this wouldn't get guns you are delusional. Next we will be talking about banning baseball bats, then knives, then whatever.

If not all Muslims are terrorists, then not all guns are not used to perpetuate violence. You will never rid this nation of its guns. Guns are not the problem. Radical Muslim extremists are.

Stop trying to weaken a nation for the enemy..

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ketsuko
Yeah, you're right. We already have a problem. Let's just import a lot more of it ...

Import more of what? This asshole was born here.

It truly is a sad day in America where we look to curtail the very thing that made us great.

More radicals to go with the ones we have here already.

a reply to: ketsuko

you cant brainwash people to be good. there's always crazy out there, the only thing we can do is limit the amount of damage they can do to society. people can snap, become brainwashed, or just decide to do harm. so im wondering what exactly is your idea of integration?