Orlando Nightclub Massacre

a reply to: Peeple

It is possible but whenever you have something like this, people are always, understandably very twitchy. There is always a rash of things like this afterward.

originally posted by: imod02

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: imod02

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: butcherguy

We'll get someone here that'll say that he "self-identified' as a trans-fluid-swamp-lizard-with-mommy-issues.

the only truths so far?

He was Muslim.
He killed scores of people.

Don't forget:

He was a citizen.
He legally purchased firearms.

This is what happens in a free society, sadly.

Not everyone is good and decent.

We can either accept that fact or get rid of the free society.

A free society must always defend its self or be lost, at the moment we are lost as we have let an anti free culture (islam)to live with us

But that's the risk of having a free society. If we deny access to Muslims, then we can't call ourselves a free society.

A free society cannot have people who hate freedom, its a conundrum

Your constitution strictly forbids making laws against the religious freedoms of US citizens.

The most sensible thing would be to ban access from country’s known for extremism. IE Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt et al.

But for US citizens in the USA? Well there religion by law is strictly none of yours or the goverments business.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Yep, I'm striking Florida off my "must visit" bucket list.

Come to think of it......the list is getting pretty short.

Mateen was a U.S. citizen with no apparent criminal history, was born to Afghan parents in New York in 1986 and was living in Port St. Lucie, Fla., according to multiple media reports.

Omar Saddiqui Mateen had committed himself to ISIS before carrying out the bloodiest mass murder in US history at a gay nightclub in Orlando on Sunday, federal officials said.

Mateen “made a pledge of allegiance to ISIS,” California Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told CNN.
Modal TriggerSuspected gay nightclub mass shooter Omar Mateen.Photo:
Meanwhile, US Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) cited intelligence sources to say that there “appears to be a link to Islamic radicalism .. some kind of connection to ISIS,” ABC News reported.

nypost.com...

He was a security guard with CCW and the letter 'G' on his DL, trained with weapons.

OMAR MIR SEDDIQUE MATEEN was born 16 November 1986 and he lives (or lived) at 2513 S 17TH ST APT 107

in FORT PIERCE, St. Lucie County, Florida, U.S.A. His voter ID number is 114484524. He registered to vote 19 July

2006 and he is registered in the Florida Democratic Party. He is listed as Other (race).
*******
boards.4chan.org...

It also appears he was on the radar 2013/2014 but evidently nothing came of it. There are reports there was shooting between him and police around 2a.m. before he entered the Pulse.

Perspective:

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: imod02

A free society cannot have people who hate freedom, its a conundrum

A free society must be open for disagreement.

Our big issue here is that the US politicians, don't want us to have a free society.
Gunmen like this coward don't want us to have a free society.

Same in Europe, muslims can rape children and not be stopped,so many people in Europe are looking for strong leadership just like Germany in the 30s, and the same is going to happen again, only this time with the muslims.Im happy im old and sick and wont live to see the mess

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Could be any number of reasons from the nefarious to the mundane.

@ Liqu - "on the radar" is a very unspecific way of saying they had some degree of knowledge about him. It could mean anything from "we have a contact report from 2011 that his name is in" to "we've done a black bag job on his residence and were watching him daily." And anything in between.

It'll be incredibly interesting to learn, if we do, just how "on the radar" he was.

a reply to: Bhadhidar

What are you going to do about the people in your government that has helped ISIS be created?

Don't attack the symptom; attack the disease.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: imod02

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: imod02

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: butcherguy

We'll get someone here that'll say that he "self-identified' as a trans-fluid-swamp-lizard-with-mommy-issues.

the only truths so far?

He was Muslim.
He killed scores of people.

Don't forget:

He was a citizen.
He legally purchased firearms.

This is what happens in a free society, sadly.

Not everyone is good and decent.

We can either accept that fact or get rid of the free society.

A free society must always defend its self or be lost, at the moment we are lost as we have let an anti free culture (islam)to live with us

But that's the risk of having a free society. If we deny access to Muslims, then we can't call ourselves a free society.

A free society cannot have people who hate freedom, its a conundrum

Your constitution strictly forbids making laws against the religious freedoms of US citizens.

The most sensible thing would be to ban access from country’s known for extremism. IE Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt et al.

But for US citizens in the USA? Well there religion by law is strictly none of yours or the goverments business.

Your right, it does. It's time to change that. We'd be better off listing Christianity as the official religion (not a Christian) and also create an allow list of acceptable religions.

Sound crazy? Yes, I agree it does.

We don't need to do any of that. We merely need to label Islam for what is is not, a religion. Therefore it has no protection.

a reply to: crazyewok

Exactly.

Don't import from countries where this is a known issue until we can figure out how to clean it up.

Do it for the safety of the current citizens of all faiths and those who have none. We wouldn't like to be Bangladesh where they regularly hack to death atheist bloggers and lately have taken to also hacking up Hindus too.

a reply to: fleabit

Single enraged radical or not, if it was political/religiously motivated in any way, why would that even make a difference if he were instructed or acted on his own free will?

a reply to: crazyewok
YEah we have relgious freedom but THAt should only be for ACTUAL CITIZENS. You know a actual benfit to being a citizen. People just visiting or here illegally should not have the same freedoms.

This guys parents sure did raise a fine bigoted boy it seems.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
1Was this guy on a watch list?
2Was that watchlist to do with groups lik Al qaeda and IS and such?
3Was this guy allowed to buy guns legally?
4WHY?
5 Why in the hell are you guys still paying a wage to the employees of the NSA. ?

Again, because
Cognitive Dissonance

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: Bhadhidar

What are you going to do about the people in your government that has helped ISIS be created?

Don't attack the symptom; attack the disease.

You mean Hillary?

She's going to become our next president.

I wonder what Trump and Hillary will say about this.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: crazyewok
YEah we have relgious freedom but THAt should only be for ACTUAL CITIZENS. You know a actual benfit to being a citizen. People just visiting or here illegally should not have the same freedoms.

This guys parents sure did raise a fine bigoted boy it seems.

Yes they did islam proud, and shamed muslims

Terrorism: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal.

I propose that - instead of getting caught up in speculation over this coward's 'exact' religious affiliation, sexual orientation, or the semantics of what people consider "true" Islam - we move this thread in a direction of actual purpose...

This was an act of terrorism, regardless of the above details being argued over. The news of this is absolutely horrible and tragic; and, similar mass shootings are popping up in the news WAY too often these days.

Does anyone posting or reading this thread have any actionable steps, or even theories, as to how we can prevent - even one - of these mass shootings in the future?? I realize this is opening Pandora's Box of a vast range of ideals and personal opinions; but, at least we could *hopefully* start a discussion on the simple facts of this atrocious incident, and how it may have been curtailed! Anyone feel the same??

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Stormdancer777

Could be any number of reasons from the nefarious to the mundane.

@ Liqu - "on the radar" is a very unspecific way of saying they had some degree of knowledge about him. It could mean anything from "we have a contact report from 2011 that his name is in" to "we've done a black bag job on his residence and were watching him daily." And anything in between.

It'll be incredibly interesting to learn, if we do, just how "on the radar" he was.

I would hope he was being watched closely if he somehow acquired all those weapons. However if he was being watched closely, you would think this would have been squashed before anything major occured.

originally posted by: Skywatcher2011

I have never heard of a drug gangster strap a bomb to themselves and take hostages...this is more of a terrorist plot...aka Muslim threat most likely

Why MUST it be Muslim 1st?
I live in Scotland my friend. We don't 'auto-think' like this.
Go back to 9/11 and Bin Laden and Al Qeada were blamed before the 2nd plane hit.

Everything aside this is all just very tragic.
My heart and thoughts go out to everyone who WE lost, and the families and friends who are left to suffer.
Thousands of people will suffer for life now. I live a Gun free Culture, we seen and discovered a LONG TIME AGO guns for Police or Public was not a smart move and over time guns left cultures all over Europe and further...

RIP to all who died


Mo Dhia Keep thu sàbhailte agus eutromaich agad eallach

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: crazyewok
YEah we have relgious freedom but THAt should only be for ACTUAL CITIZENS. You know a actual benfit to being a citizen. People just visiting or here illegally should not have the same freedoms.

This guys parents sure did raise a fine bigoted boy it seems.

Islam is not a religion. It's conquering framework with aspirations of global domination. It's NOT a religion. It merely has a religious tone. Make no mistake. It must be destroyed.