NOMIC & BANK COLLAPSE ICE Agent Commits Suicide in NYC; Leaves Note Revealing Gov't Plans

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: Maverick1
I'm calling hoax on this one. None of it makes sense... it reads exactly like a sterotypical consipacy theorists (like myself, lol) wet dream. Confirming everything from the collapse of society to those long bemoaned fema camps!

In other words, at first it seemed half plauisble, but look a little deeper and it clearly falls apart.

There was no note, and the story is BS from a known hoaxster( Turner) is my two cents.

I understand being suspicious/skeptical based on the stereotypical scenarios and buzzwords used. But I don't understand why you would dismiss the existence of a note completely. Maybe. But based on the scant information provided, it seems just as likely that the guy had gone a little too far down the rabbit hole, perhaps sharing what he had learned on conspiracy sites as opposed to what he had learned on the job.

Why do you assume it's all just a hoax?

A fair question, friend.

I will try to clarify my point.


It's the linked site, mainly. The ties to Hal Turner, the lack of a way to find out more ABOUT the 'superstation' site due to a conveniently 'under construction' About Us section.

The combative(IMO) tone used BY the site in defense of Turner's 'slandering' by Snopes. Hardly objective and hardly relevent.

In other words, I could buy the possibility of the entire situation, note and all, EXCEPT for the flimsiness of the source. The SOLE source. The just sent up a red flag for me.

On the other hand, I could be wrong, and it's damned interesting either way.

a reply to: BlueAjah
I was in the same boat once. Now I don't put anything on past our government.
(Love your name by the way! Heard they were making the books into a tv series.)

very interesting turn of events.

The facts as I see them:

- I cannot trust NYPD. At all. It is one of the largest departments in the US, sitting in a city that has consistently reinvented what "corruption" actually means
- Snopes has had its own allegations of impropriety. That, alone, isn't enough....but the spanking that they recieved from superstation95 reinforces my negative perception of Snopes as a "fact checking" organization

a reply to: Maverick1

Thank you for explaining -- much appreciated!

One question I have is why the officers would go to that particular station, since it's not exactly "mainstream," and therefore doesn't have much... what's the word? Clout? Credibility? Respectability?

Assuming it's true for the sake of this conversation; Did one/more of the whistleblower officers have a personal connection to someone at the station? Did they try to go to reputable (and I use that term loosely!) news media only to be dismissed? Did they suspect a mainstream news agency would sit on the story -- but report them to their superiors/other authorities?

I'd like to know more background on the hows and whys of this station getting the story... (and people in hell want ice water, right???)

originally posted by: eisegesis

originally posted by: lightedhype
A Snopes 'debunking' means absolutely nothing. Not saying I believe this..but of course the NYPD and Snopes would say no note was left when the reality could be true or different.

Such an ignorant thing to say. And it breeds...

You say "of course," when you have no evidence if either snopes or the "news" article is credible. Just a knee-jerk response based upon "feelings."

It certainly begs further investigation and while I'm not defending snopes, they have already done more research into the story than you have. I'm highly skeptical of them as well, for what it's worth.

Your response makes little sense to me, you say you are "highly skeptical of snopes and yet if someone sees their debunking as meaningless that is ignorant? If many of us find their responses skeptical they become meaningless.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Maverick1

Thank you for explaining -- much appreciated!

One question I have is why the officers would go to that particular station, since it's not exactly "mainstream," and therefore doesn't have much... what's the word? Clout? Credibility? Respectability?

Assuming it's true for the sake of this conversation; Did one/more of the whistleblower officers have a personal connection to someone at the station? Did they try to go to reputable (and I use that term loosely!) news media only to be dismissed? Did they suspect a mainstream news agency would sit on the story -- but report them to their superiors/other authorities?

I'd like to know more background on the hows and whys of this station getting the story... (and people in hell want ice water, right???)

Exactly---that would help greatly. I would love to follow that trail.


Just judging by the somewhat colorful 'news stories' on the stations FB page, it seems they get a LOT of pretty high level 'news' that no one else really gets.

And maybe they do, and Ive just grown more cynical over the years. Or maybe that is why the agent sought them out to begin with. The possibilites are out there I suppose.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Maverick1

Thank you for explaining -- much appreciated!

One question I have is why the officers would go to that particular station, since it's not exactly "mainstream," and therefore doesn't have much... what's the word? Clout? Credibility? Respectability?

Assuming it's true for the sake of this conversation; Did one/more of the whistleblower officers have a personal connection to someone at the station? Did they try to go to reputable (and I use that term loosely!) news media only to be dismissed? Did they suspect a mainstream news agency would sit on the story -- but report them to their superiors/other authorities?

I'd like to know more background on the hows and whys of this station getting the story... (and people in hell want ice water, right???)

well, i can tell you one thing i am certain about:

if you want to have your story crushed and hidden, take it to one of the heavy hitters. You know, the ones who are beholden to various government officials for access (and stories), while also being beholden to their advertisers and their associated prejudices.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
very interesting turn of events.

The facts as I see them:

- I cannot trust NYPD. At all. It is one of the largest departments in the US, sitting in a city that has consistently reinvented what "corruption" actually means
- Snopes has had its own allegations of impropriety. That, alone, isn't enough....but the spanking that they received from superstation95 reinforces my negative perception of Snopes as a "fact checking" organization

Were you aware of the NYPD Intelligence Center that has direct ties to CIA, NSA, FBI, DIA and other state and local agencies? Its a hell of a place and this video was made in 2006. I haven't found any newer videos, yet.
One of the employees in camo fatigues didn't seem to like being photographed...

a reply to: Maverick1

Not to go off topic and derail the thread, but I'm currently working on another thread about retaliation against whistleblowers in government, based in large part on the congressional hearings held a few months ago. That's probably one reason I'm more inclined to believe the story. When you know the folks with all the power (and force) can and will stop you any way possible and that the deck is stacked against you, what do you do? Where do you go???

I'd love to see a "Whistleblowers Day," giving would-be government whistleblowers a venue to spill their guts for the whole world to see. It's so easy to discount and minimize any one whistleblower... and probably even easier for the bad guys to threaten, intimidate and bully any would-be whistleblower before, during and after. So I'd love to see a way to open the floodgates and just let it flow!

originally posted by: eisegesis
Funny, the website's "About" and "Contact" links are under construction.

Hmmmf sounds like someone taking advantage of the guys suicide or struggles trying to cope, and trying to capitalize on it and twist it to some paranoid agenda propaganda.

The www used to be full of such things in the early 90s and well the www is still full of such paranoid websites that breed their own brand of extemist separatist views that does no one any benefit not the deceaseds memory, not the deceaseds family or friends... just for their own spreading of doom porn hoping parnoid people will bite and spread such nonsense like a virus.

Its more likely, the officer struggled with his duties for various reasons, from all the pressures of police being under constant scrutiny due to abuses of the public, and of course the old watch resistant to such things.

Take for example the Arkansas judge found corrupt for reducing sentences and fines if the young men came to his house for community service only to be photographed nude and sexually taken advantage of with over 3000 photos of various individuals even one under 18 years of age. He said nah dont worry ill just step down and not seek any federal, state or local office again... um lol like that sort of corruption is excusable... Oh no youll hold a state office again alright... its called an 8 x 9 with 3 hots and a cot.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

if you want to have your story crushed and hidden, take it to one of the heavy hitters. You know, the ones who are beholden to various government officials for access (and stories), while also being beholden to their advertisers and their associated prejudices.

So very very true. Somehow details about government officials and their dirty deeds are just soooooooo difficult to come by... but Joe the Plumber's life history can be researched and revealed within hours!

And we're supposed to believe there's nothing suspicious or nefarious about that. Yeah. Right.

a reply to: Boadicea

Oh I agree transparency is transparency... im pretty sure it was taken from bottom to top though, and now that its working up the chain? I tink the public is going to see a lot more justice and ousting of corruption as it stammers its way to the top.

This guy sounds like one that some friends of ours spoke to us of about two(three? I don't remember) years ago.
They were telling us about their friend, an FBI agent, that had turned his home into an arsenal and told them that a major upheaval was going to happen in the US.
When I asked, what kind? He said that it was racial conflicts. They seemed to suggest that this was going to be orchestrated, or provoked by the US government itself, or some other powers who shall be able to remain sort of hidden (or seemingly innocent).

I didn't totally understand it all, and I didn't want to ask for more detail because I could tell they didn't want to disclose too much (he himself is ex-military). They felt he might have been a bit off the deep end.

I wonder if this is the same guy?

Odd that I've lived in NYC my entire life and have never heard of "superstation95" which happens not to come in on my radio dial nor is it listed on NYRadioGuide or Radio-Locator.

That's interesting.

You gotta be pretty dumb to think Snopes is a source of truth. It's a notch down from mythbusters, which has so many logical fails it's pitiful... but when there's monies on the line, and time is a factor, garbage in garbage out.

originally posted by: Djarums
Odd that I've lived in NYC my entire life and have never heard of "superstation95" which happens not to come in on my radio dial nor is it listed on NYRadioGuide or Radio-Locator.

That's interesting.

So is the Facebook page associated with the 'station'.......www.facebook.com...

Just slowly dig into it. It's pretty obvious.

Not a huge Snopes fan myself, but I'm betting they nailed this one.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

From your keyboard to Lady Justice's ears!!!

I really REALLY hope and pray you're right. I do believe we are better positioned for it than at any time previously. I believe there were too many good people giving too many bad people the benefit of the doubt, but they've just pushed it too far now and gotten too big for their britches.

Superstation95 have an account on ATS under the name Newsroom. Not long ago I started a thread on one of their claims, that Saudi Arabia had joined the nuclear club. Newsroom responded to a post by Zaphod58 who stated there was a lot of rubbish on their site. A search showed that the source they had used, a Saudi man in a video, was questionable.

Link

originally posted by: Morrad
Superstation95 have an account on ATS under the name Newsroom. Not long ago I started a thread on one of their claims, that Saudi Arabia had joined the nuclear club. Newsroom responded to a post by Zaphod58 who stated there was a lot of rubbish on their site. A search showed that the source they had used, a Saudi man in a video, was questionable.

Link

Well, that explains why the 'note' read so much like an ATS post.....it was a compilation of sorts, lol

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: Quadrivium

On the Snopes page where they "debunked" this, I was intrigued by something in the "About the Author" section - have a look

Kim LaCapria is a New York-based content manager and longtime snopes.com message board participant. Although she was investigated and found to be "probably false" by snopes.com in early 2002, Kim later began writing for the site due to an executive order unilaterally passed by President Obama during a secret, late-night session (without the approval of Congress). Click like and share if you think this is an egregious example of legislative overreach.

She was previously found to be writing false things, but now Snopes wants her to work for them? Why in the hell would Snopes want to advertise this? Is this a typo?

Snopes writers all have a funny fake bio. This isn't real. I am on my phone and don't have time to find a real on for her but you could try Twitter or deeper googling.

AB