The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: tigertatzen

New Zealand was in the northern hemisphere on your world?

It was above Australia, in the southern hemisphere. Not below it.

a reply to: tigertatzen

So, then. It would still have been down under.

Shouldn't they now technically be referred to as "Down Under"?

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: tigertatzen

This was a significant part of my reality continuing well into adulthood. And in that reality, Mars was closer to the sun and Pluto was the ninth planet. Always.

Are you saying that you thought Mars was closer to the Sun than Earth? What about My Very Elegant Mother Just Served Us Nine Pies? As for Pluto, even as a minor planet it has always crossed over Neptune's orbit, making it the "eighth planet" for part of its orbit. (Also, the Morrison Planetarium is in the California Academy of Science... always has been. The Steinhart Aquarium is a part of the complex. Do you recall there being an iconic bandstand in front? The De Young? The Japanese Garden?)

Yes, Mars was closer to the sun than earth. I never heard of the MVEMJSUP thing until I looked up the solar system just a few days ago.

Yes, I know the bandstand and the Japanese tea garden. I also know it's all part of a complex, but couldn't recall the name and didn't feel like looking it up, but I remembered Steinhart very well because I used to go look at the man-made tide pools there. I actually lived in Moraga and took the BART into the city several times a week.

As far as Pluto, it used to be the 9th planet, period. It was not demoted to a dwarf planet until long after I was out of school. And I know that's still true because I looked it up this morning. So at least there's that.

a reply to: alienDNA

Presently it's morphine, codeine & tramadol, in terms of the opiates (tramadol is a synthetic opiate, but that still counts apparently). I also use gabapentin, amitryptiline & of course paracetamol. The whole lot are hashed together in a daily pattern of usage which best controls the pain I experience - but life can still suck due to the pain, a lot, even with the meds.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

This is off topic and I hope you don't mind me saying I never would have guessed. Prior to your revealing this I've been amazed at how well you formulate your perspectives and thoughts into posts.

a reply to: tigertatzen

That is a major discrepancy; one that has not effected me.

Pluto used to be the ninth planet (for 75 years since discovery) until it was demoted several years ago by astronomers which is well-documented as to why and which PO'd a lot of astrology people, but as far as Earth not being the 3rd rock from the sun but the 4th in your memory, all I can say is... wow!

That would freak me out.

a reply to: Phage

I don't trust online maps and supposed replicas of the globe and it's not because of the Mandela Effect; that distrust began years ago. It also extends to online images in general because of Photoshop, etc.

a reply to: tweetie

why ?

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Why don't I trust online maps?

Because I think they have been/are being distorted.

a reply to: tweetie
Do you trust libraries? No, I don't guess you would. I don't suppose you have an old Atlas lying around?

Is the only thing you trust your memory?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: tigertatzen



So, then. It would still have been down under.

Shouldn't they now technically be referred to as "Down Under"?

My Aussie friends say that Australia is referred to as Down Under not just because of the hemisphere, but because nothing else was below it. NZ was above it. Now it's not. Four of them are experiencing that particular ME and say that a large number of other people are too. One friend is really struggling with this because she's actually from NZ.

a reply to: tigertatzen

One friend is really struggling with this because she's actually from NZ.

That sounds just incredibly scary and just .. awful. Horrible.

a reply to: Phage

You've made an assumption. Gasp!!! Not you??!!?? Lol!

I do trust libraries in general but haven't been in one for years. However, I used to frequent my library for many years.

I have old Atlases (and have always loved them because I've always loved hard copy maps) but I don't have one handy showing the whole world. I know there's one here somewhere but it's packed away and maybe not even in my belongings.

I trust more things than just [my] memory so that would be a false assumption as well. Memory is one of my many, long-term interests.

a reply to: tweetie

I do trust libraries in general but haven't been in one for years. However, I used to frequent my library for many years.

Now might be a good time to resume old habits.

I have old Atlases (and have always loved them because I've always loved hard copy maps) but I don't have one handy showing the whole world.

An Atlas that doesn't show the whole world? That would be a map book.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: tigertatzen

This stumbling over words thing could be correlative - I've always been highly articulate, quick to formulate responses to abstract questions, found it easy to talk about complex subjects & interpret them for non-specialists, etc. In the past year though, my quick thinking has dulled significantly - I stumble over words, forget words that I really should have a handle on, and end up responding to people in almost child-like sentences when I should be unfolding a carefully formulated conversation.

I say 'could be', only because several people have also mentioned it in-thread. Personally, I have a neurological condition which causes a lot of pain, necessitating strong opiate & other types of medication. The doses I use are quite high, on a daily basis - so this whole speech impediment issue could be a natural thing due to prolonged use of the medications (ten years and counting). It would be interesting though, if it were actually a side effect of the 'hypnosis' / 'quantum break' which we are all experiencing. I suppose we'd have to poll every person who claimed a Mandela Effect experience, and also the non-experiencers, to see if they are/ aren't also experiencing cognitive difficulties...

I might make a thread just for that purpose, actually. You're right, we really need to start pinning things down, get some kind of consensus. With as many people here alone who have mentioned similar "symptoms", I think it's worth pursuing as a possible correlating effect. Logic would suggest that if one thing is being affected, there would be more things going on as well that are connected.

I would think this is especially true in the time travel scenario. If someone goes back and, for example, prevents a certain person from doing a certain thing, every person he or she would have encountered or spoken to would never have been in that person's path at all. Instead, they would have taken a different path that day, and subsequently would have by proxy affected the timeline in multiple different, seemingly insignificant ways.

Say on that day, this person was supposed to go to work and meet up with another person to collaborate on a project or something, which would be an outcome in a chain of events along that person's timeline that would eventually lead up to the event that is going to be prevented.

But because a time traveler popped into the persons timeline later on that day to prevent that event from taking place and thus altering the outcome of the future, it would change not only the target's entire path along that timeline for that day, but also everyone else's who would have been along that same path.

So say, in this hypothetical, the adjustment the time traveler made caused the person to NOT meet up with his colleague that day. Well, since that's not happening anymore, the colleague will also now take a different path of events for that day, and he will now affect other people along his path that previously would not have been affected...it would cause minute changes all along that timeline.

I think (assuming this really is the result of time tampering) that there would be other differences too. A couple of people mentioned date changes related to birthdays of people in their immediate families. I think there are a whole lot more than that.

a reply to: Phage

Brand name Atlas which makes many kinds of maps.

a reply to: tweetie

Ok. A map book then. Doesn't show the South Pacific/Indian Ocean?

Oh well, there's still the library.

a reply to: tigertatzen

New Zealand is refered to as down under as well.

As in, down under the equator.

a reply to: Phage

Now might be a good time to resume old habits.

Like when your comments used to be somewhat worthwhile instead of just plain miserable?