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originally posted by: woodwardjnr
The hallucinagens is also released in high doses when the brain dies. So I guess that makes me consider this as away of the brain closing down and making the death experience less frightening to the dying.
As an infant I recalled buildings and fields. I remembered guides and angels. I would lay around and think about what had been arranged for my life and what I had to do. I specifically recalled standing in front of a huge, white book in heaven. The book was very thick with pages and all the pages had gold trim around the edges. The book sat on a white, marble book stand or maybe I could describe it as a church pulpit. Light shined out of the book and book stand. The book lay open as I approached and stood directly in front of it. I noticed the pages were blank. I was taken to it by a guide who stood to my left and gave me some directions about how to proceed. "Look into the pages." my guide instructed.
I then looked down at the pages and the blank sheets began to display parts of my future life on earth. I watched as if it was a movie being played for me. As another life change was about to occur the page would turn again and begin the next part of my life in movie form on that page. I saw a little accident at my grandparents barn where I took a fall and many other things.
I used to sit around with nothing else to do as a child and play back those images of what I saw in the book. I could fast forward the images to see things that would occur in the future and rewind to things I saw from my life's past since birth that were played out for me within the pages. But the older I got, the less I thought about those things. I guess I just decided playing and eating were all I cared to think about. But God had a unique technique for reminding me when I was three years old.
Kees had not felt like reincarnating and resisted the angels who tried to convince him it would be for his own good. They practically pushed him –though they did so lovingly- back to earth, as it was time for him to get to work again. The angels told him: “You know, when you go to earth, you will be accompanied by assistants”. He would be protected after he returned. The “Big Light” told him: “To make a good life is your own responsibility.”
Arjan Voet (23) of Beneden Leeuwen (The Netherlands) told me in 2005 that he was repeatedly visited by a male apparition when he was a boy of about 7. The apparitional figure helped him to leave his body and showed him many things, including episodes of his past life followed by images of an afterlife. Accordingly, Arjan was approached by other discarnate spirits who wanted him to help them with their problems. He rejected all of their requests and completely concentrated on his own elated feelings of happiness and wellbeing until higher spirits told him that he had to learn more about helping others. They wanted him to choose a world (sic) and a suitable family where he could undergo valuable lessons. However, he asked them to make the decision for him. If he failed, he would simply come back to the spiritual realm and try again.
Arjan recalls there is a script for our earthly lives, which leaves a lot of room for individual freedom, but fixes certain events that simply need to happen. He remembers that a spiritual being ‘wrote’ specific things down for him.
I remembered standing on a cliff with another being looking out at the earth. This being was trying very hard to convince me that I had to go down to earth and I didn't want to go. I remember him saying that I had to go. I had no choice in the matter.
I asked him how long I would have to be there. He replied, "Not long, perhaps 60 or 70 years." I remember protesting loudly, "60 or 70 years! No, I can't do it!" I was very upset. I don't know how long we argued, but he was speaking in a calm tone trying to minimize the situation. I remember him saying that he would not let my life be as difficult as had originally been planned, since I was so worried about it, but that was all he would do. I still had to go.
Just before he was born, he received some kind of explanation. It concerned a moment in time at which he was no longer able to make any choices, because he'd already chosen the parents
he was going to be born with. Before his physical birth, he received what seemed like a guided tour and was shown images, incomplete fragments of his parents and of himself, of the way he was going to be in the life to come. The images were not very rich, but Vincent does not exclude the possibility that he can only recall fragments of them. The images he saw of his parents seemed like photographs of what they would look like when he would be around the very age he remembered his pre-existence. In other words, they seemed to be images of the future, as if they were meant to announce what he should expect. “This is what you get for your money. You've made a choice, these are your parents, this is what they will look like. Good luck!”
Above me was a small black opening. It swallowed me up. I was flying through a tunnel very very fast but it felt weird. I heard a noise, like a wind sound. It was all so crazy! The tunnel was black, pitch-black. Then it got light again. At the end of the tunnel was a light. The walls of the tunnel kept moving away from one another. It felt like I was in a cave with smooth walls. It seemed very big and damp. I didn't know what I was doing here and it seemed as though a long time had passed. This place seemed familiar but I couldn't put my finger on it. I waited in the middle of the tunnel or cave. The light emanated warmth, love and happiness. It was a living light. I heard beautiful music. So I went directly into the light. Once inside it felt as though I was home again. Everything was white and full of love. I was secure here.
Shortly thereafter I landed in a large world with many beings and brilliant blue sky. In the middle was a road. I was really wowed! It was beautiful, so lush. Along the road were stones that had colors I had never seen before. And suddenly my great-grandmother was before me. She told me it was my decision to stay or to return to earth. She said it would be better if I returned. Great-grandmother seemed much wiser here than when she was alive on earth. She also emanated a lot of warmth. I told her I wanted to see just a little more here. I was curious. So I went walking. But then I thought about my mother and father. No, I didn't want to stay any longer. I decided that next time I would see this world because I knew that one day I would be returning.
I went back, back into the light which now spoke to me. It was a telepathic communication. The light showed me pictures of the future. Nice things, like one day I would get married. It showed me my future husband. I didn't know him at that moment. He was going to be very sick but would make it. I heard that it was a mycotic infection in the lungs. I didn't understand those words. I thought he would die and started to feel very unhappy. The light kept telling me that he would live through his illness. I saw doctors, nuns and nurses - whom I would meet years later. In addition I was going to forget all the details of this NDE. I would only remember much later. I heard the light say everything would be alright. I said goodbye to the light and went back to the darkness. It took a while for me to return to the ambulance. I saw my body lying on the stretcher and went back into it. When I woke up I vaguely remembered a light and darkness. At the hospital they examined me and a nun asked me where I had been, because of the light and the darkness. She thought I had dreamt it. But that didn't convince me. I didn't speak anymore about the experience and forgot about it for a few years. Then I remembered it all years later.
With one angel in front and two on the side, we went up high in the clouds. Then, we started moving horizontally going faster than an airplane, and they did not need wings to fly. I thought to myself, "shouldn't friction be causing me pain from wind pressure?" The angel in front spoke without using his mouth. He stated "there's no friction here." I said mind-to-mind why isn't gravity making me fall, he replied "there's no gravity here." I remembered learning that temperature in the clouds is extremely cold and I thought why aren't I cold? "There's no cold here" was my response. I started to think about my job and university and the angel told me "THERE'S NO STRESS HERE!" I asked why aren't we talking with our mouths? He responded "on earth, talking with your mouth makes your throat dry." Then, I said to him, "I'm glad you speak English, how many languages do you speak?" He said "all of them." I told him I wanted to ask some others things. I asked him what the meaning of life is. He told me "for the entertainment of the spirit realm." I asked him when the world will end and as a messenger of God he told me the answer, yet he mentioned there would be some things I would not be allowed to remember and this was be one of them.
I was enveloped in darkness, like all dark, cave dark, and I was still me but in an empty space all dark and I started to fall through a bazillion million miles of dark to this light that was a spark, the amount of energy it takes to create a thought. A miniscule amount of energy the light of a synapses, the light created from the electrical impulse of your thought. when I hit this light I was shot backwards and from this energy source the universe was created right in front of my eyes. I saw everything that has ever happened since the beginning of the Big Bang. like the discovery channel. I saw everything the whole universe from the beginning of time. And time is something humans made up, there is no such thing as time this is all a series of events. It was like a big paisley of cosmos being formed in front of me and I had superman vision. ( I told a friend what I saw and he turned me on to fractals it looked like that) I was hanging in the dark space and our universe was below me like a teacup saucer inside of a 33 gallon trash bag. I was in the bag still. I was beyond the far reaches of the universe. beyond the universe looking at it with superman vision and I could see earth and my house and inside it and all from a bazillion gagillion light years past the edge of the universe. it was really amazing.
Then of in the distance out of the blackness to my right I see a man and he slid up right up to my face, he moved like Dracula in Bram Stokes Dracula movie just boom he's in my face. he didn't walk bouncy he slid. He was the most beautiful being I ever saw. I was enveloped in pure love, a feeling that I cannot describe , pure love and peace and well being. safety. a glowing love like no other that I can't describe how wonderful it was. He was the big cheese. That is what I call him now. It was GOD. There is a GOD. a supreme being, the one. He had long white hair past his shoulders wavy the color of that fiberglass stuff in furnace filters, It looked softer than anything I ever saw he had a beard long wavy soft white to his boob area. His skin was a golden bronze color almost metal like. Polished old brass he was a perfect being, he was so pretty. He was the most beautiful thing I ever saw. He was wearing a kaftan with bell sleeves and gold embroidery around the collar sleeves and hem. with a Nuru collar. I sew. It was like a rayon thin silky flowing. you could tell he was buff under it. I was in pure love but not sexual. His eyes were not of a color that is here on earth. the color was not in our human rainbow. [B]When I looked into his eyes all the secrets of the universe were revealed to me . I know how everything works because I looked into his eyes for a moment. All the secrets of the universe, all knowledge of all time everything. He said to me "Do you know who I am?" I knew he was God the moment I looked into his eyes. [/B] I said "yes" and I was so ashamed and so unworthy and I felt just ashamed, but loved like no other. I felt loved. I was so happy to be there. and I looked down at his feet and I wanted to just lay at his feet and hold onto his leg. like a baby. He has perfect feet." he said " you have three missions then you can die".
Then out of no where slide in my face these two beings I call them. beautiful beings wearing similar outfits are in my face. one had blonde wavy hair it just past the shoulders it was masculine and the other feminine one had a wavy pageboy shorter the same color and they were bronze color a little less pretty than GOD, and they had eyes the color of coffee and cream. A soft beige color. They both grabbed me from either side of my body like a hug and said "don't worry we'll be with you" they flew me backwards through the universe at supersonic speed and when we got close to earth the disappeared but I could still feel them holding me. They follow me around on each side of me behind me. still to this day they are hear. I can't see them but I feel them behind me. One likes me a lot, the masculine one the other female is like in training or something she doesn't really want to be here. so I'm flown back to earth and I am now on the planet going down hwy 18 in the air above the ambulance. then I am on the ceiling inside and the dropped me back into my body. like someone dropping you on your back from about three feet off the ground. I open my eyes and I have a tube up my nose down into my chest and a rubber balloon in my face with a guy squeezing the bag and he is breathing for me by squeezing the bag. I grabbed his hand and his eyes got really big. I puked all over the paramedic on the other side of the gurney because the guy squeezing the bag turned my head as I started to puke. I felt perfectly fine except my lungs were not working. This man had my life in his hands. literally. When we got to the hospital they gave me a shot but people were taking turns squeezing the bag coming out of my nose. then by body started to breathe on its own and they had to get the tube out. Then I puked again, and again.
I was not breathing for about 15 minutes. A neighbor with a scanner came over when she heard it and freaked out I guess crying and all. The sheriff got to my house and one guy says " # what do we do?" the other sheriff says " wait till the FD gets here" and told my neighbor and my kid to go outside. I was purple with black lips and a grey body and cold flesh. They thought I was dead. The Fire Dept. called my parents and told them I was more than likely dead and they should get to the hospital. When I got out of the hospital and saw the FD guys in the market, ( I live in a small town) they were in disbelief that I could even walk. They call me their miracle baby as I should be dead.
I was pissed off at first that I was back in my messed up body, back here in this craphole of a planet,, plus I was never told what my missions were. BUT I know what the future is and I am going to eventually die of a heart attack shoveling snow on Nov 11. I don't shovel snow on that date but one day I will forget its Nov 11 and die.
Dying is the best thing that could ever happen to a person. you become perfect and all knowing and go to a way better place. I used to fear death and now I can't wait to go back. I envy old people who are ready to die. If they knew how it was they would forego all medical procedures and check out. Dying is not really dying you become a being of light and are borne into another better plane of existence. This place is a carefree place of pure love where you can make your own reality and there is no such thing as time. When you are immortal and live forever who cares what time it is you have forever to do it.
I want to go back and feel I don't belong here.
All of a sudden I'm in an extremely bright and white room with a large wooden table in the center of this room. Chiseled in the center of the table was an unknown design. (No other articles in the room whatsoever) Sitting at the table were three knights (like during the crusades with the large red cross on the clothing). Two were sitting side by side with their backs to me. The third was sitting across from the two. All three had their armor helmets resting on the table just to the right of each one of them. They never acknowledged my presence, so I don't know if they seen me or not) The knight sitting by himself stated with a firm voice "we need him now". One of the knights with his back to me stood up, slammed his fist on the table and shouted "no, it is not his time". Immediately after this I came back to life after being defibrillated two times. I immediately said to my wife who was at my side (she's was a RN at that hospital)" I got to tell you what just happened to me".
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How do you currently view the reality of your experience: Experience was definitely real
Same as #40 but also
six years after my NDE I found the symbol that was carved in the table during my NDE. I was watching a commercial of the Freemasons and spotted the Masonic Symbol (the compass and square)
This did not explain the robust, richly interactive nature of the recollections.
originally posted by: Chadwickus
I've read that in some operating rooms there is an object in the room that can only be seen when one 'floats above themselves' in a NDE, as in on top of a cabinet. Those that claim to experience NDE get asked to describe what they saw, the object never gets mentioned...
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: cosmickat
a reply to: elementalgrove
I have Dr Alexander's Proof of Heaven book, which I must admit I didn't ever read all the way through. I kinda gave up when he started sounding too religious. But I will say that when neuroscientists put forward their case for an afterlife it does add a lot of weight to the evidence even though it is still anecdotal.
I must have another try at reading it..thank you for reminding me about this.
"I must give up what I am, in order to become what I must be "
So, one thing in the whole spirituality 101 thing is that people experience what they expect.
This neurosurgeon guy may have been a bit of an atheist, but before he was, he was religious. he discusses how he had religion but when he became a doc, it sort of ebbed away from him..simply from learning about the brain and such, natural.
So then he had a nde
now, regardless of what may have really happened, what he believed was happening was..he was experiencing a afterlife..and so, pulling from his expectations from a earlier life, no doubt he would start seeing symbols of his belief
If he was buddist, he would probably have met krishna, or if he was muslim, muhammed, etc..that kind of thing.
It was his reference point of such subject matter.
So..I guess if he is telling the truth to the best of his ability, and something truly did happen to him outside of just the last dance of a dying brain, it still doesn't mean its the truth..just his perception and perhaps desired view of it all.
Same with people who say they experienced hell. programming.
originally posted by: s3cz0ne
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: cosmickat
a reply to: elementalgrove
I have Dr Alexander's Proof of Heaven book, which I must admit I didn't ever read all the way through. I kinda gave up when he started sounding too religious. But I will say that when neuroscientists put forward their case for an afterlife it does add a lot of weight to the evidence even though it is still anecdotal.
I must have another try at reading it..thank you for reminding me about this.
"I must give up what I am, in order to become what I must be "
So, one thing in the whole spirituality 101 thing is that people experience what they expect.
This neurosurgeon guy may have been a bit of an atheist, but before he was, he was religious. he discusses how he had religion but when he became a doc, it sort of ebbed away from him..simply from learning about the brain and such, natural.
So then he had a nde
now, regardless of what may have really happened, what he believed was happening was..he was experiencing a afterlife..and so, pulling from his expectations from a earlier life, no doubt he would start seeing symbols of his belief
If he was buddist, he would probably have met krishna, or if he was muslim, muhammed, etc..that kind of thing.
It was his reference point of such subject matter.
So..I guess if he is telling the truth to the best of his ability, and something truly did happen to him outside of just the last dance of a dying brain, it still doesn't mean its the truth..just his perception and perhaps desired view of it all.
Same with people who say they experienced hell. programming.
That still doesn't explain the blue eyed girl that was his guide that he later found to be identical to his dead birth sister who he had never previously met or seen. It wasn't until 4 months after his NDE that he saw her picture for the first time.
originally posted by: CJCrawleyIn such cases, there is generally no way to establish that the NDE occurred while the brain was offline."
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: s3cz0ne
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: cosmickat
a reply to: elementalgrove
I have Dr Alexander's Proof of Heaven book, which I must admit I didn't ever read all the way through. I kinda gave up when he started sounding too religious. But I will say that when neuroscientists put forward their case for an afterlife it does add a lot of weight to the evidence even though it is still anecdotal.
I must have another try at reading it..thank you for reminding me about this.
"I must give up what I am, in order to become what I must be "
So, one thing in the whole spirituality 101 thing is that people experience what they expect.
This neurosurgeon guy may have been a bit of an atheist, but before he was, he was religious. he discusses how he had religion but when he became a doc, it sort of ebbed away from him..simply from learning about the brain and such, natural.
So then he had a nde
now, regardless of what may have really happened, what he believed was happening was..he was experiencing a afterlife..and so, pulling from his expectations from a earlier life, no doubt he would start seeing symbols of his belief
If he was buddist, he would probably have met krishna, or if he was muslim, muhammed, etc..that kind of thing.
It was his reference point of such subject matter.
So..I guess if he is telling the truth to the best of his ability, and something truly did happen to him outside of just the last dance of a dying brain, it still doesn't mean its the truth..just his perception and perhaps desired view of it all.
Same with people who say they experienced hell. programming.
That still doesn't explain the blue eyed girl that was his guide that he later found to be identical to his dead birth sister who he had never previously met or seen. It wasn't until 4 months after his NDE that he saw her picture for the first time.
and thats what makes this whole thing fun
originally posted by: Specimen
Does a Christian and atheist still get to see the white light at the end of the tunnel,
does the Christian get to see an old guy with a beard and a halo.
And what does an atheist see, bunch a math equations, or the other guy down below? Or does God personally greet them, with a V.I.P pass.
What about someone who blind, and eyes or brain never seen what light or colours look like and have perception other then sensory like touch, taste, smell, and sound. Would they see it too?