Ohio Rally Trump Attacker Identified - Featured In BLM / ISIS Video!

a reply to: ketsuko

The 1st Amendment was put in our constitution to protect speech, specifically political speech above all. Don't you think that when a group creates a situation with the express stated intent of preventing the speaker from speaking at all, that it is anti-free speech?

Your absolutely right about that.

The actions of those 'protester's' are synonymous with what the red coats did to the colonials.

Silencing any speech critical of the crown.

originally posted by: Sostratus
a reply to: Gryphon66

What seems to always get lost in free speech, and any other right for that matter, are that one persons rights end where another persons begins.

Your rights end where mine begin and mine end where yours begin.

Disrupting ones free speech at a rally is not justified under the guise of another ones free speech.

Some people are having a hard time understanding this.

Right's are EQUAL.

Apparently Trump critics think they have 'more' rights than others.

Like those they disagree with.

a reply to: ketsuko

No, no one denied "free speech." No one denied "the right to assemble."

The First Amendment prevents the Government from passing laws that destroy your Free Speech.

You and I, as all other citizens, are free to disagree with each other, fight with each other, talk over each other, "flip the bird" at each other ... et. al.

Freedom of Speech means that the GOVERNMENT will not shut either you or me down.

Your "freedom of speech" as well as mine, as well as any other person's is limited by a very prevalent factor ... everyone else around us who may or may not agree with us.

As to the rest of your post ... you're doing what you always do ... telling me what I believe with not a single bit of backup from anything I've said. These "disruptive elements" had the right to be there, to carry their own signs, and it doesn't matter how much you want to try to spin it ... DONALD TRUMP CHICKENED OUT.

And I am so very bored with your insinuations about me. You're not any good at innuendo. You're as authoritarian as they come.

Quote my support for the protesters. Quote where I said I agree with these folks who protested.

I've said only a few things over and over:

Admission was open to the public.

All Americans have the rights to speak and to assemble.

You can try to twist those facts into whatever pretzel suits you Kets.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Your "freedom of speech" as well as mine, as well as any other person's is limited by a very prevalent factor ... everyone else around us who may or may not agree with us.

So mob rule.

If enough people can suppress you, then it's okay.

That's what you're saying here.

I didn't change a single word.

You epitomize the left.

Bravo!

Trump supporters crying over their rights supposedly being violated

While supporting a candidate that wants to ban an entire religion from entering the country and who wants to strip citizenship from US born children of immigrants

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Your "freedom of speech" as well as mine, as well as any other person's is limited by a very prevalent factor ... everyone else around us who may or may not agree with us.

So mob rule.

If enough people can suppress you, then it's okay.

That's what you're saying here.

I didn't change a single word.

You epitomize the left.

Bravo!

You believe in mob rule? I for one do not.

I do not believe that supression of others is "okay" ... I also don't believe that someone who wants to be President should incite his followers to "rough up" those people who don't agree with him.

I said what I said. Your rights, my rights, anyone's rights begin and end at the surface of our skin.

You don't have a right to make me listen to you. I don't have a right to make you listen to me.

I have the right to stop you if you try to make me listen to you. And vice versa. No rights are unlimited.

Even your hero Justice Scalia made that clear in more than one decision.

As to the personal BS ... what a joke ... you quote me and then you rephrase everything I said to suit your faulty arguments.

Also, I'm proud to be a leftist ... as that involves standing up against authoritarians like Trump and his supporters ... so if you meant that to be insulting, you failed.

So funny that the only way Trump can be silenced by the democrats is getting activist to turn his rallies into violence.

The establishment is getting desperate and that goes for either Republicans and their status quo and the democrats.

Americas politics you are we us or against us.

Assuming the guy is professional protester, who hires professional protesters? How do they get paid? Does that constitute conspiracy? Inciting a riot? Wreckless endangerment?

Track down who is behind it and hold them accountable. It would be interesting to see how far up the ladder this could go.

originally posted by: marg6043
So funny that the only way Trump can be silenced by the democrats is getting activist to turn his rallies into violence.

The establishment is getting desperate and that goes for either Republicans and their status quo and the democrats.

Americas politics we are we us or against us.

The only thing that "silenced" Trump is the yellow quality of his spine and the lack of orchids.

He's a brittle fragile bully that can't imagine actually having to stand up to folks who disagree with him.

He's a coward and he ran like a dog, and now, like the gutless liar he is, he wants to cry about being a victim.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Your "freedom of speech" as well as mine, as well as any other person's is limited by a very prevalent factor ... everyone else around us who may or may not agree with us.

So mob rule.

If enough people can suppress you, then it's okay.

That's what you're saying here.

I didn't change a single word.

You epitomize the left.

Bravo!

I watched the Trump rally in KC tonight and much of the time was dominated by protesters being led out of the venue. I may not agree with their tactic, but they still had a right to free speech. Regardless, they were escorted out.

Why?

Because their opinion did not mimic that of those around them. There were even a couple people that were loud and disruptive, but happened to have been pro-Trump. They were allowed to stay. Trump even asked them if "they were with them or against them" before simply booting them out.

So I think the premise Gryph highlighted is correct. Your free speech seems to be limited if the opinion of those around you is to the contrary.

Does Trump, and his supporters in the crowd that cheered the expulsion of the protesters also epitomize the Left, considering their actions at the KC rally?

originally posted by: marg6043
So funny that the only way Trump can be silenced by the democrats is getting activist to turn his rallies into violence.

The establishment is getting desperate and that goes for either Republicans and their status quo and the democrats.

Americas politics you are we us or against us.

Trump turned his rallies into violence a long time ago. But I know your hero can do no wrong in your eyes.

a reply to: introvert

I know you realize this ... but I'll be clear for the sake of all the crap being tossed out around here..

The right of "free speech" restricts any level of government from silencing American citizens.

Free speech does not give us the right to force others to agree with us.

All rights have a natural limit, and that limit is other people, to wit: my rights end where your rights begin, and vice-versa.

If that's leftist ... count me in. LOL.

a reply to: introvert
So if I wanted to say something you would be justified by silencing me with violence or coercion?

That makes you and others no better than brown shirt thugs silencing others through violence.

Unless I misunderstood you.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Your "freedom of speech" as well as mine, as well as any other person's is limited by a very prevalent factor ... everyone else around us who may or may not agree with us.

So mob rule.

If enough people can suppress you, then it's okay.

That's what you're saying here.

I didn't change a single word.

You epitomize the left.

Bravo!

You don't have a right to make me listen to you. I don't have a right to make you listen to me.

I have the right to stop you if you try to make me listen to you. And vice versa. No rights are unlimited.

I didn't realize Trump was forcing a bunch of liberal agitators to sit there and listen to him.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Darn for one moment I thought you were talking about Billary and his cohorts Sand man

originally posted by: EightTF3

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Your "freedom of speech" as well as mine, as well as any other person's is limited by a very prevalent factor ... everyone else around us who may or may not agree with us.

So mob rule.

If enough people can suppress you, then it's okay.

That's what you're saying here.

I didn't change a single word.

You epitomize the left.

Bravo!

You don't have a right to make me listen to you. I don't have a right to make you listen to me.

I have the right to stop you if you try to make me listen to you. And vice versa. No rights are unlimited.

I didn't realize Trump was forcing a bunch of liberal agitators to sit there and listen to him.

Ah ... there's another oldie but goodie ... "agitators" ... LOL.

Actually, Trump didn't force anyone to listen to him last night ... he chickened out and ran away.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Free speech does not give us the right to force others to agree with us.

Your trying to have it both ways.

Because that is EXACTLY what those protesters in Chicago did.

Use FORCE.

Everyone has the right to free speech, freedom of expression. But that doesn't mean you can do anything you want.

For example, say you choose to express yourself musically. If you are at a concert (pick a band, it doesn't matter) and you suddenly feel the need to express yourself, what do you do?. Though you have the right to express yourself, you do not have the right to jump on stage, grab the mic, and put on a show of your own. Stopping you from doing that is not violating your right to free speech. Trying to stop someone else from speaking, interrupting them, shouting over them, that may qualify as a violation however.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Gryphon66

Darn for one moment I thought you were talking about Billary and his cohorts Sand man

Darn, for one moment I thought we were talking about a Trump rally and the various misunderstandings regarding free speech and free assembly ... not the perinial Clinton-hating BS that worms into every discussion on every topic.

Huh. What about that, or rather what about that?

a reply to: muse7

I have no clue what you are trying to explain and have no time to waste in nonsense, obviously the hate is blinding you very much, sorry you feel the way you do, Im very much in peace with everybody and happy.

Actually my blood pressure has never been this good in a long time.