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originally posted by: Gryphon66
No one's free speech was disrupted. The event was FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
Members of the PUBLIC went in.
When Mr. Trump saw that he might be faced with too many people for his goons to rough up as he normally instructs them to, he fled.
No one "shut down free speech" [from] Mr. Trump.
Yes, yes, we all know that you and others here want to make anyone left of you on the ideological scale into fascists ... because only you and yours have rights ... free speech, assembly, press, etc.
Mr. Trump is ON THE RECORD as opposing all of these. So if you're looking for a "fascist figure" ... you might key in on the guy who demands that his followers all raise their right hands to him in a loyalty salute.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ketsuko
No, no one denied "free speech." No one denied "the right to assemble."
The First Amendment prevents the Government from passing laws that destroy your Free Speech.
You and I, as all other citizens, are free to disagree with each other, fight with each other, talk over each other, "flip the bird" at each other ... et. al.
Freedom of Speech means that the GOVERNMENT will not shut either you or me down.
Your "freedom of speech" as well as mine, as well as any other person's is limited by a very prevalent factor ... everyone else around us who may or may not agree with us.
As to the rest of your post ... you're doing what you always do ... telling me what I believe with not a single bit of backup from anything I've said. These "disruptive elements" had the right to be there, to carry their own signs, and it doesn't matter how much you want to try to spin it ... DONALD TRUMP CHICKENED OUT.
And I am so very bored with your insinuations about me. You're not any good at innuendo. You're as authoritarian as they come.
Quote my support for the protesters. Quote where I said I agree with these folks who protested.
I've said only a few things over and over:
Admission was open to the public.
All Americans have the rights to speak and to assemble.
You can try to twist those facts into whatever pretzel suits you Kets.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Gryphon66
SO its cowardly to avoid confrontation and possible violence? Using that line of thought then MLK was a coward for not going to speak directly to the KKK right? Anyone who avoids confrontation in your eyes is a coward right?
H.R. 347, benignly titled the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act, passed the House 399-3. Such a lopsided vote suggests that nobody in Congress is bothered by this, on either side of the aisle. When President Obama signed it on March 8, almost nobody seems to have cared.
Simply put, the way the bill will “improve” public grounds is by moving all those unsightly protesters elsewhere. The law purports to update an old law, Section 1752 of Title 18 of the United States Code, that restricted areas around the president, vice president, or any others under the protection of the Secret Service. The original law was enacted in 1971 and amended in 2006. At first blush, the big change here is that while the old law made it a federal offense to "willfully and knowingly" enter a restricted space, now prosecutors need only show that you did it "knowingly"—that you knew the area was restricted, even if you didn’t know it was illegal to enter the space. This has been characterized in some quarters as a small technical change that hardly warrants an arched eyebrow, much less a protest.
And that brings us to the real problem with the change to the old protest law. Instead of turning on a designated place, the protest ban turns on what persons and spaces are deemed to warrant Secret Service protection. It’s a perfect circle: The people who believe they are important enough to warrant protest can now shield themselves from protestors. No wonder the Occupy supporters are worried. In the spirit of “free speech zones,” this law creates another space in which protesters are free to be nowhere near the people they are protesting.