Scalia Death Suspicious "We discovered the judge in bed, a pillow over his head."

I got a response to my records request! It's multi page pdf and I am trying to figure out the best way to post it.

I haven't even looked at it yet but it looks like it was sent to me, one other person and someone at the NYDailyNews...

Give me a few and I will upload and provide a link. I can't even look at it until later this evening, but you can get started.

Never tried this filesharing site before but here it is:

Link to Open Records Request Document

I will take a look when I can in a bit at your comments and the documents...

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Gah! I am having a hard time not looking at it. First thing I noticed was that his COPD was MILD.

"In the ABSENCE OF INFORMATION SUPPORTING ANY OTHER CAUSE, it is reasonable to conclude that his age and significant medical conditions led to his death."

Dammit. They should have conducted an autopsy!

Nothing in particular sticks out as a certain cause, he could have lived for a decade or longer with these issues.

Ok, I have to turn my attention elsewhere for a bit. I hope someone comes on and takes a close look though.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Dammit. They should have conducted an autopsy!

No, they did not need to, as is explained in the pdf.
You would not have believed the result of the autopsy anyway!

Nothing in particular sticks out as a certain cause, he could have lived for a decade or longer with these issues.

Or died years ago!

originally posted by: hellobruce
No, they did not need to, as is explained in the pdf.

I have not read the entire document but I did not see anywhere that the physician stated -- "an autopsy was not needed."

Just. VOM...at your "silly," "silly" spin.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
"In the ABSENCE OF INFORMATION SUPPORTING ANY OTHER CAUSE, it is reasonable to conclude that his age and significant medical conditions led to his death."

Dammit. They should have conducted an autopsy!

Nothing in particular sticks out as a certain cause, he could have lived for a decade or longer with these issues.

I was just about to quote this section. This means that Scalia's own doctor thinks that other causes may have contributed to his death. Since the 'inquest' consisted of a twenty minute, intermittently dropped, spotty cell phone conversation I am forced to conclude that NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED TO SCALIA'S DOCTOR in order for him to properly attribute cause of death over the phone via a third party conversation.

Apologies for the caps, but I felt that this bit needed to be emphasized.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
I did not see anywhere that the physician stated -- "an autopsy was not needed."

How about reading what I posted.... where did I claim a physician said that?
Your reading comprehension problems appear once again!

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
This means that Scalia's own doctor thinks that other causes may have contributed to his death.

Try reading it again, it simply means his doctor was not surprised he died, as he said

it is reasonable to conclude that his age and significant medical conditions led to his death."

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
I did not see anywhere that the physician stated -- "an autopsy was not needed."

How about reading what I posted.... where did I claim a physician said that?
Your reading comprehension problems appear once again!

You copied my quote, "Dammit. They should have conducted an autopsy!"

And you responded, "No, they did not need to, as is explained in the pdf."

If you see somewhere that the pdf contains the claim that an autopsy was not needed, POST IT. Or zip it with your spin.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
If you see somewhere that the pdf contains the claim that an autopsy was not needed, POST IT.

it is reasonable to conclude that his age and significant medical conditions led to his death."

The doctor was not surprised he died, thus no autopsy was needed. Nor did the family want one, also stated in the pdf!

So no conspiracy, just a sick old man dying of natural causes!

a reply to: hellobruce

I know I'm going to regret this...

Yes, you are 100% correct. He did indeed say:

it is reasonable to conclude that his age and significant medical conditions led to his death."

which was preceded by the qualifier:

In the ABSENCE OF INFORMATION SUPPORTING ANY OTHER CAUSE

No other information was available to give to his doctor because what information JP Guevara had was minimal at best and the result of a conversation over the phone with a deputy who has a history of questionable judgement in cases of unexplained death.

If a proper inquest had been performed, and an autopsy ordered it is entirely possible other mitigating factors could have been discovered.

However, since this did not occur all we have are bits and pieces of conversations tied together to create a flimsy story.

If a thread on this forum (General Conspiracies) had been posted with as much source material as JP Guevara had for her inquest, that thread would be tossed into the Grey Area at best or Skunkworks at worst.

We get it that you don't think that there is any reason to question the 'natural causes' explanation, why do you care so much that others of us aren't ready to accept that answer just yet?

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
If you see somewhere that the pdf contains the claim that an autopsy was not needed, POST IT.

it is reasonable to conclude that his age and significant medical conditions led to his death."

The doctor was not surprised he died, thus no autopsy was needed. Nor did the family want one, also stated in the pdf!

So no conspiracy, just a sick old man dying of natural causes!

You cherry picked HALF THE SENTENCE, SILLY.


"In the ABSENCE OF INFORMATION SUPPORTING ANY OTHER CAUSE, it is reasonable to conclude that his age and significant medical conditions led to his death."

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Never tried this filesharing site before but here it is:

Link to Open Records Request Document

I will take a look when I can in a bit at your comments and the documents...

Oh BOY !!!!

Everybody not present is taking the words of The Sheriff and Cinderella who all took the word of Poindexter and the Marshall !!!!!

My GOD !!!!

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
"In the ABSENCE OF INFORMATION SUPPORTING ANY OTHER CAUSE, it is reasonable to conclude that his age and significant medical conditions led to his death."

As there was no other information.... the doctor was still not surprised!

I read the whole list of conditions he had and I can't help wondering why the heck he would go to a secluded ranch with no medical staff or phone reception if he was that sick? Did someone convince him to go?

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
why do you care so much that others of us aren't ready to accept that answer just yet?

I just find it extremely funny how to some people everything just has to be a conspiracy, even when there is zero evidence for any conspiracy!

a reply to: hellobruce

Well when you ignore critical information, like you just did, then you are not in a position to judge whether there is evidence or not.

The physician stated -- "IN THE ABSENCE OF INFORMATION SUPPORTING ANY OTHER CAUSE" -- ergo the physician stated conclusive evidence of cause of death is ABSENT.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
If you see somewhere that the pdf contains the claim that an autopsy was not needed, POST IT.

it is reasonable to conclude that his age and significant medical conditions led to his death."

The doctor was not surprised he died, thus no autopsy was needed. Nor did the family want one, also stated in the pdf!

So no conspiracy, just a sick old man dying of natural causes!

And I am not surprised that his doctor was not surprised. I'm still wondering if Justice Scalia received new "medication" the day before going to the ranch. He DID visit the doctor. Maybe the doctor really really really wants everybody to just move along.