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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:18 PM
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originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

did i say it was america's duty? no

its the Chinese's duty of course. you create a strawman then throw your insults. nice job.


I don't even know what you're proposing to be honest. It's a mish mash of delusion. But your main concept of the third world being elevated to match us, as a way to stifle AMERICAN outsourcing...is ludicrous.

My god man.
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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:19 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

i didnt say it was up to us to raise any country. i said the playing field should be equal, when foreign labor is paid as much as american labor, thats when americal labor will be just as financially viable as chinese labor. if that doesn't make sense to you , i dont know what will.
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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

If I didn't know any better about you Rainbows and Unicorns Bernie supporters on ATS, and just read your post as is. ..I would swear that you were suffering from a mental condition that involves strong delusional tendencies.

You guys are completely wacked. Off the reservation nutsos. I'm not kidding


Well, if you're so much smarter and mentally stable then why don't you know that insulting others and speaking to them with such a condescending tone isn't going to help persuade them to see your side of things???

Maybe you should try putting forth some actual facts and examples instead of just complaining and talking down to people.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:24 PM
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originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

i didnt say it was up to us to raise any country. i said the playing field should be equal, when foreign labor is paid as much as american labor, thats when americal labor will be just as financially viable as chinese labor. is that doesn't make sense to you , i dont know what will.


No....it DOES NOT make "sense".

It's delusion and fantasy. You're entertaining complete FANTASY like many of your cohorts do.

Global AND local markets don't work like that. And would only be CLOSE to working that way if every market, currency, border, system... was scrubbed and we initiated a unified "One World" system....aka a global Commune.

Your theory is ridiculous.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:32 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

you dont think outsourcing jobs to china is better because chinese labor is cheaper? why create jobs in the US when you can do it in asia or other third world countries?

when 3rd world countries are no longer exploiting their workforce, then businesses wont have to rely on cheap foreign labor, jobs are created. than what, raise the standard of living, let americans buy american products and invest in their economy. im tiered of reading made in china. its pathetic that the chinese own the american economy.

ever heard of the TPP? we can come to agreements with foreign nations to encourage them to raise their own countries out of poverty, to pay their workforce more. we will get nowhere as long as cheap foreign labor is our competition.
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apparently the idea of a better standard of living for foreigners is a ridiculous fantasy, you are the problem.
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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:34 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ignoring Bernie and American Policy etc. But raising the world's standard of living should be a goal and desire for everyone that doesn't support slavery or sweatshops. So unless you support either of those, spitting on the idea of raising the worlds standard of living is pretty much amoral.

Either you are for or against the unnecessary suffering of innocents.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:37 PM
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originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

you dont think outsourcing jobs to china is better because chinese labor is cheaper? why create jobs in the US when you can do it in asia or other third world countries?

when 3rd world countries are no longer exploiting their workforce, then businesses wont have to rely on cheap foreign labor, jobs are created. than what, raise the standard of living, let americans buy american products and invest in their economy. im tiered of reading made in china. its pathetic that the chinese own the american economy.


But your proposal on HOW to fix that sounds ludicrous.

You have to take into account CURRENCY...trade and tariff laws, devaluation of those currencies....what LABOR is in the first place.

Cost of goods and services. How LABOR differs as a unit of measurent from nation to nation.

Your posts before made of sense. It's pure fantasy.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:40 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

so reality is fantasy now?

just because its hard doesnt mean its impossible. because the solution is difficult to reach doesnt mean its not worth pursuing

if you want to be a negative nancy, thats fine but dont insult rational ideas.
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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:44 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ignoring Bernie and American Policy etc. But raising the world's standard of living should be a goal and desire for everyone that doesn't support slavery or sweatshops. So unless you support either of those, spitting on the idea of raising the worlds standard of living is pretty much amoral.

Either you are for or against the unnecessary suffering of innocents.


And who isn't against sweatshops?

You're making emotional arguments.

And the standards of living for the most part, under the springs of Capitalism, especially after the Industrial era, have improved peoples lives, health, expectancy, GDP....exponentially.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ignoring Bernie and American Policy etc. But raising the world's standard of living should be a goal and desire for everyone that doesn't support slavery or sweatshops. So unless you support either of those, spitting on the idea of raising the worlds standard of living is pretty much amoral.

Either you are for or against the unnecessary suffering of innocents.

If corporations are going to play this game of nation hopping when convenient and play off one population against the other then organized labor should follow in their wake and demand parity of income and workers rights.
Act locally think globally. ...corporate does!.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:47 PM
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originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

so reality is fantasy now?

just because its hard doesnt mean its impossible. because the solution is difficult to reach doesnt mean its not worth pursuing

if you want to be a negative nancy, thats fine but dont insult rational ideas.



Just because you can float a ludicrous fantasy on ATS, where the world is drenched in Rainbows and candy....doesn't make you "positive"...it makes you delusional

Which seems to be in high supply with too many Bernie supporters. It's almost CLINICAL at this point.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:49 PM
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originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ignoring Bernie and American Policy etc. But raising the world's standard of living should be a goal and desire for everyone that doesn't support slavery or sweatshops. So unless you support either of those, spitting on the idea of raising the worlds standard of living is pretty much amoral.

Either you are for or against the unnecessary suffering of innocents.

If corporations are going to play this game of nation hopping when convenient and play off one population against the other then organized labor should follow in their wake and demand parity of income and workers rights.
Act locally think globally. ...corporate does!.


Okay. Maybe.

But what "Rights" are we going to demand??

Lemme guess....higher wages immediately...correct?



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:49 PM
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originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ignoring Bernie and American Policy etc. But raising the world's standard of living should be a goal and desire for everyone that doesn't support slavery or sweatshops. So unless you support either of those, spitting on the idea of raising the worlds standard of living is pretty much amoral.

Either you are for or against the unnecessary suffering of innocents.

If corporations are going to play this game of nation hopping when convenient and play off one population against the other then organized labor should follow in their wake and demand parity of income and workers rights.
Act locally think globally. ...corporate does!.


Is there some moral code corporations are required to follow? Because I missed that.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:52 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
But your proposal on HOW to fix that sounds ludicrous.

You have to take into account CURRENCY...trade and tariff laws, devaluation of those currencies....what LABOR is in the first place.

Cost of goods and services. How LABOR differs as a unit of measurent from nation to nation.

Your posts before made of sense. It's pure fantasy.



Because of all the wonderful "Free Trade" policies we have now tariffs don't make much difference anymore.

Since the Reagan years we've been eliminating all such policies for those that open the market up and allow outsourcing and allowing business to locate elsewhere for tax shelters and 3rd world labor without any kind of penalty for doing so. Or haven't you noticed???

You use a lot of words but without really saying much with them. I'm wondering how much you really know versus how much you think you know.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:52 PM
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a reply to: Annee

The lack of an enforceable code of ethics is precisely where the problem is.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:55 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

click the link, its not a fantasy. agreements have already been made with foreign countries.

basically what you're saying is foreign countries should keep exploiting their workforce because not to do so is fantasy. in your world cheap labor is just fine and foreigners shouldn't demand a better standard of living. 3rd world countries should stay 3rd world countries because it benefits businesses.

im tired of reading m ade in china and sweatshops employing children. its time to create jobs and encourage the oppressed to stand up. you are the problem.
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posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:56 PM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Annee

The lack of an enforceable code of ethics is precisely where the problem is.


Yeah, the "Old Money" did it because they felt it was their duty and responsibility.

All those safe guards are gone now.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:58 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ignoring Bernie and American Policy etc. But raising the world's standard of living should be a goal and desire for everyone that doesn't support slavery or sweatshops. So unless you support either of those, spitting on the idea of raising the worlds standard of living is pretty much amoral.

Either you are for or against the unnecessary suffering of innocents.

If corporations are going to play this game of nation hopping when convenient and play off one population against the other then organized labor should follow in their wake and demand parity of income and workers rights.
Act locally think globally. ...corporate does!.


Okay. Maybe.

But what "Rights" are we going to demand??

Lemme guess....higher wages immediately...correct?

Everything from safety to higher wages yes.



posted on Feb, 5 2016 @ 11:59 PM
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originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

click the link, its not a fantasy. agreements have already been made with foreign countries.

basically what you're saying is foreign countries should keep exploiting their workforce because not to do so is fantasy. in your world cheap labor is just fine and foreigners shouldn't demand a better standard of living. 3rd world countries should stay 3rd world countries because it benefits businesses.


There you go again. As per the usual Sanders fanatic, with fantasies about what I said.

I never said ANY of that Unicorn Rainbow hunter. But this is about YOUR delusions...so why not just throw it all against the wall and see what sticks right?

What next? I like slavery and kill little kids?



posted on Feb, 6 2016 @ 12:03 AM
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originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Ignoring Bernie and American Policy etc. But raising the world's standard of living should be a goal and desire for everyone that doesn't support slavery or sweatshops. So unless you support either of those, spitting on the idea of raising the worlds standard of living is pretty much amoral.

Either you are for or against the unnecessary suffering of innocents.

If corporations are going to play this game of nation hopping when convenient and play off one population against the other then organized labor should follow in their wake and demand parity of income and workers rights.
Act locally think globally. ...corporate does!.


Okay. Maybe.

But what "Rights" are we going to demand??

Lemme guess....higher wages immediately...correct?

Everything from safety to higher wages yes.


So you want rights and better wages for third world workers?

Okay...then what?

What exactly are you talking about?

THAT is going to stop Americans outsourcing? Lol




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