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Why isn't the book of Enoch in the Bible?

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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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stormbringer 1701 said


. Satan and his angels refused to submit to this indignity and it is because of this that they are doomed to destruction already. The plan involves a strict set of laws and a judicial process as well as means of remission.


you answered


That was addressed in the Book of Enoch, and ALL those Angels were defeated and bound deep in the earth, not to be released until Judgement Day.

But that inference is not complete. There were two groups of disobedient angels. The first group was the group of one third of the angelic host of heaven who warred with God and were cast to the earth and bound to hell till the judgment. These angels are all bound in the earth this day. Jude 1:6 and 2nd Peter references this first host as all being bound in everlasting chains till the judgment of the great day.

We then have an invasion of 200 angels who came to Mt. Herman and took wives of mortals. This is explained in one Enoch. So the first group of one third of the heavenly host were not invaders but were cast down to this world whereas the second group invaded and caused the havoc that we see today. This group of 200 are the ones who Enoch calls the Watchers but are not the Giants who then begat the Nephiliym who then begat the race of Eliouds. All three of these races (Giants, Nephiliym, and Eliouds) were the result of the angels mating with humans which took about eight hundred years to fully develop.

This leader of this invasion was called Aza'el who was then cast into the earth till the last day also but the others of this group were bound only for fourteen generations. That fourteen generation period is believed to have ended about the era of Jesus and those who Jesus overcame. Now it is not the 200 angels who rule the spiritual realm of this world but is the offspring spirits of Giants, Nephiliym and Eliouds who are the demons of this spirit realm. That is according to Enoch.

So in reading both remarks, both you and stormbringer 1701 are referencing two separate incidences. stormbringer is referencing the first group who fought God and you are referencing the second group of Enoch. The Satan who the Jews reference are not the Enochian angels but is an angel of temptation. He is regarded as good and tempts only in hope that we will overcome him. Even they are somewhat confused because we now have the dead sea scrolls who have 25 texts of Enoch among their biblical texts. That shows that some Jews did regard angels who did sin simply because those 25 texts were found in the same caves of the biblical texts.




posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: [post=20263729]windword[/post
stormbringer 1701 said


. Satan and his angels refused to submit to this indignity and it is because of this that they are doomed to destruction already. The plan involves a strict set of laws and a judicial process as well as means of remission.


you answered


That was addressed in the Book of Enoch, and ALL those Angels were defeated and bound deep in the earth, not to be released until Judgement Day.

But that inference is not complete. There were two groups of disobedient angels. The first group was the group of one third of the angelic host of heaven who warred with God and were cast to the earth and bound to hell till the judgment. These angels are all bound in the earth this day. Jude 1:6 and 2nd Peter references this first host as all being bound in everlasting chains till the judgment of the great day.

We then have an invasion of 200 angels who came to Mt. Herman and took wives of mortals. This is explained in one Enoch. So the first group of one third of the heavenly host were not invaders but were cast down to this world whereas the second group invaded and caused the havoc that we see today. This group of 200 are the ones who Enoch calls the Watchers but are not the Giants who then begat the Nephiliym who then begat the race of Eliouds. All three of these races (Giants, Nephiliym, and Eliouds) were the result of the angels mating with humans which took about eight hundred years to fully develop.

This leader of this invasion was called Aza'el who was then cast into the earth till the last day also but the others of this group were bound only for fourteen generations. That fourteen generation period is believed to have ended about the era of Jesus and those who Jesus overcame. Now it is not the 200 angels who rule the spiritual realm of this world but is the offspring spirits of Giants, Nephiliym and Eliouds who are the demons of this spirit realm. That is according to Enoch.

So in reading both remarks, both you and stormbringer 1701 are referencing two separate incidences. stormbringer is referencing the first group who fought God and you are referencing the second group of Enoch. The Satan who the Jews reference are not the Enochian angels but is an angel of temptation. He is regarded as good and tempts only in hope that we will overcome him. Even they are somewhat confused because we now have the dead sea scrolls who have 25 texts of Enoch among their biblical texts. That shows that some Jews did regard angels who did sin simply because those 25 texts were found in the same caves of the biblical texts.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: [post=20263729]windword[/post
stormbringer 1701 said


. Satan and his angels refused to submit to this indignity and it is because of this that they are doomed to destruction already. The plan involves a strict set of laws and a judicial process as well as means of remission.


you answered


That was addressed in the Book of Enoch, and ALL those Angels were defeated and bound deep in the earth, not to be released until Judgement Day.

But that inference is not complete. There were two groups of disobedient angels. The first group was the group of one third of the angelic host of heaven who warred with God and were cast to the earth and bound to hell till the judgment. These angels are all bound in the earth this day. Jude 1:6 and 2nd Peter references this first host as all being bound in everlasting chains till the judgment of the great day.

We then have an invasion of 200 angels who came to Mt. Herman and took wives of mortals. This is explained in one Enoch. So the first group of one third of the heavenly host were not invaders but were cast down to this world whereas the second group invaded and caused the havoc that we see today. This group of 200 are the ones who Enoch calls the Watchers but are not the Giants who then begat the Nephiliym who then begat the race of Eliouds. All three of these races (Giants, Nephiliym, and Eliouds) were the result of the angels mating with humans which took about eight hundred years to fully develop.

This leader of this invasion was called Aza'el who was then cast into the earth till the last day also but the others of this group were bound only for fourteen generations. That fourteen generation period is believed to have ended about the era of Jesus and those who Jesus overcame. Now it is not the 200 angels who rule the spiritual realm of this world but is the offspring spirits of Giants, Nephiliym and Eliouds who are the demons of this spirit realm. That is according to Enoch.

So in reading both remarks, both you and stormbringer 1701 are referencing two separate incidences. stormbringer is referencing the first group who fought God and you are referencing the second group of Enoch. The Satan who the Jews reference are not the Enochian angels but is an angel of temptation. He is regarded as good and tempts only in hope that we will overcome him. Even they are somewhat confused because we now have the dead sea scrolls who have 25 texts of Enoch among their biblical texts. That shows that some Jews did regard angels who did sin simply because those 25 texts were found in the same caves of the biblical texts.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 12:42 PM
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Hey there is a 2 enoch if you didn't know. The book of the secrets of Enoch is its title



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 12:45 PM
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And that was a long but entirely accurate statement, the other angel was Semyaza



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 12:47 PM
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Hey there is a rabbinical maybe Kabbalistic 3 Enoch
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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 12:50 PM
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They were more sons of God than angel



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 12:53 PM
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Also Yahweh is not the Most High God



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: Gnosisisfaith
a reply to: stormbringer1701
That isn't a mistake its a fact. The genesis serpent was defeated, made a belly crawling reptile, lucifer is a myth based off misinterpretations of scripture they didn't understand at the time, but thats been cleared up for quite some time. Isaiah 14:12 has nothing to do with Ha Satan. As for christians assuming things the texts don't say, that's beyond my control, and a habit that comes from a non understanding of the Hebrew scripture.
nope. the serpent in the book of genesis was a person as was the tree of knowledge of good and evil and for that matter the tree of life was a person too. The serpent and the tree of Knowledge of good and evil were in fact the same person.

The Serpent seduced Eve totally. this wording is used for carnal knowledge elsewhere in the bible and in fact The NT specifies this in Greek when referencing Eve. Eve thought that she was pregnant by Adam and is quoted as saying so. But that does not mean that she was right. in fact the details of the birth of Cain and Able when read in the original MSS could not be interpreted any other way. Additionally; Cain and able had their coming of age ritual on the same day. They were fraternal twins. And her seed and the serpent seed could not have emnity between them if the serpent didn't have any offspring.

The term going down on your belly and eating dust are terms of ultimate abasement and defeat. it is a figure of speech. It is not a myth trying to explain vestigial hips and leg parts which were outwardly visible in some species of snake.

scriptural witness:

www.theseason.org...

and 2 corinthians chapter 11 verse 2 and 3:




2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.


In english that seems to mean spiritual or intellectually. but the word in greek is eksapatio:

biblehub.com...

and furthermore wherever this word is used in the bible elsewhere it's talking about bumping uglies.

and it has to be taken in context with the other facts presented such as her continuing in labor after cain popped out. Also what Jesus said about sons of the serpent or sons of the first murderer.

When Cain killed Able he killed the then only existing link in the messianic bloodline. Were it not for the birth of Seth later, Cain would have doomed mankind which was Satan's objective.


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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 01:18 PM
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No you are wrong, sorry. Judaism does not teach that, never did and since itsvolder than christianity it supersedes your fantastical abuse of the Hebrew teachings.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 01:20 PM
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YOuhave a Christian view on a Jewish religion and no matter how much you try you can't revoke thousands of years of traditiona because you can't understanda



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 01:26 PM
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Why isn't Jesus college days in the bible...



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 01:27 PM
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There are not and have never been any trees or any vegetable fruit that grants knowledge of good and evil or eternal life. Fruits are not magical. Adam and Eve covered their genitals and not their mouths afterwards. (With a fig leaf. A fig is the only fruit we know by name that was in the garden all others are spoken of generically.) Apples or any other fruit were not involved.

Jesus is mentioned in revelation as a tree of life. In the aftermath of the fall God and others were concerned about Adam and Eve partaking of the tree of life and becoming immortal in the corruptible flesh and so they were driven out and a firey cherub with a flaming sword was placed in the path to it. They were not driven out so much for punishment but to prevent that. Jesus was in the garden too.


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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: Gnosisisfaith
a reply to: stormbringer1701

No you are wrong, sorry. Judaism does not teach that, never did and since itsvolder than christianity it supersedes your fantastical abuse of the Hebrew teachings.


Can you tell me under what circumstances someone continues in labor after already giving birth to one baby? can you tell me under what circumstance two boys can celebrate their coming of age on the same day?



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: stormbringer1701I don't know but you still have a Christian understanding of the old testament, ask a Jew



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 01:38 PM
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Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


Question: In the torah; who is the first murderer recorded?

that would be Cain.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 01:41 PM
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Awesome. But you still have a Christian view of the Hebrew scripture. Get a Hebrew one then we can argue



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: Gnosisisfaith
a reply to: stormbringer1701I don't know but you still have a Christian understanding of the old testament, ask a Jew

you don't have to be a Jew to know the answer to these questions. one is a medical question. the second is obvious. people generally celebrate on the same day if they have the same B day. since they celebrated their coming of age on the same day then they came of age on the same day.



posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 01:43 PM
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If the Chrisitans really wanted to convert and save the punk an metal heads, to Satanists, they should of use the book of thomas in there.

Commanding Dragons, threatening soldiers when he was knee high, to making a snake explode.

Like that would of been totally awesome...Dude.
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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 01:43 PM
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Apparently YOU do



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