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Faith vs. Works in Christianity: The Problem of the Book of James

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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:04 AM
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originally posted by: Gnosisisfaith
a reply to: Punisher75

That was perfect context and applicable hear as we. That's what Jesus meant, you have eyes, but can't see the truth. Its simple math. 12 Apostles. Saul, calling himself an apostle is lying, as all 12 spots were taken. You really can't understand that? That was not out of context, but I bet saying that made you feel better, so im ok with it


You are aware that Judas was no more by the time Paul had converted to Christianity correct? 12-1 =11The only recorded instance in which the other 11 was to "vote in" another apostle was the book of acts.


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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:04 AM
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a reply to: Akragon

Yes, I have more than one religion. Is that hard for you to understand? Good.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:06 AM
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originally posted by: Gnosisisfaith
a reply to: Punisher75

Don't attack me for being tolerant if you don't want to hear about it. Who told you you could only have one religion? Who was it that thought it a good idea to trash Gnosticism?


LOL "Don't attack you for being tolerant?"
I have no idea what you are talking about. Is disagreement intolerance now?



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:08 AM
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originally posted by: Gnosisisfaith
a reply to: Akragon

Yes, I have more than one religion. Is that hard for you to understand? Good.


When different religions have diametrically opposite ideas on what is truth, then yes it is hard for people to understand.
Why? Because it becomes self refuting.

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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:09 AM
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a reply to: Gnosisisfaith

heh, not at all...

Yet I fear that you won't be around long enough to explain it to those that don't understand...


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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:09 AM
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a reply to: Punisher75

And Matthias replaced Judas.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:10 AM
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originally posted by: Gnosisisfaith
a reply to: Punisher75

And Matthias replaced Judas.

Correct that is how MAN voted... you do of course realize the very book you quoted is the same Book that claims the truth of Pauls Conversion?



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:10 AM
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a reply to: Punisher75

I don't need to be understood. Im quite comfortable with being different.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:11 AM
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a reply to: DrogoTheNorman

the theif at the cross had no time for works. But jesus said he was going to heaven. So no, you can't work you way to heaven. There's a verse that says: "all you're righteousness is as filthy rags".



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:11 AM
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originally posted by: Gnosisisfaith
a reply to: Punisher75

I don't need to be understood. Im quite comfortable with being different.


You have succeeded at both.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:12 AM
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a reply to: Punisher75

There was no truth to his ever changing conversion story.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:13 AM
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a reply to: Punisher75

That's awesome. That makes me smile.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:13 AM
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originally posted by: Gnosisisfaith
a reply to: Punisher75

There was no truth to his ever changing conversion story.


Based on what?
You have used the authority of the Books of Acts to assign Matthias the title of Apostle but then take away its authority when it speaks of Pauls Conversion?



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:14 AM
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originally posted by: lavatrance
a reply to: DrogoTheNorman

the theif at the cross had no time for works. But jesus said he was going to heaven. So no, you can't work you way to heaven. There's a verse that says: "all you're righteousness is as filthy rags".


We have no idea what his life was like before this person became a thief, or the events leading to it...

Jesus knew he wasn't a bad man...




posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:15 AM
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a reply to: Gnosisisfaith

Jesus warned about false prophets. The Apostles listened. You won't



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:17 AM
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originally posted by: Gnosisisfaith
a reply to: Gnosisisfaith

Jesus warned about false prophets. The Apostles listened. You won't


And yet Peter gives Pauls teachings the "A-Ok", and you don't. Interesting.
And you still have not explained to me this whole Book of Acts issue. Why is only the part that you accept okay but not the other?



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:18 AM
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originally posted by: Gnosisisfaith
a reply to: Gnosisisfaith

Jesus warned about false prophets. The Apostles listened. You won't


Ironically, You're replying to yourself




posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:20 AM
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a reply to: Punisher75

Every time it gets told it changes. Hey, if you feel better about yourself with Saul, that's fine. I just like Jesus, and wont call him a liar. I don't think he was a liar, but I KNOW SAUL was.H



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:22 AM
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a reply to: Akragon

I hit the wrong button. You still read it so no big deal to me



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 04:28 AM
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a reply to: Punisher75

Acts was pretty early, I don't think he figured it out yet. Saul conned him, but the respect was based on Saul misrepresenting himself. My beef aint with Luke or acts, I don't reject it, I just see something most people don't. But I am not alone in this, plenty of people feel exactly as I do about that false prophet Saul




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