Name a movie were the good guy does not win...

Passoon of the christ.
flight 92.
Does thriller count as a movie?
In total recall the implied ending is Arnold is forever fried in total recall machine

Fallen with Denzel and John Goodman. Time was not on Mr. Washington's side.

originally posted by: mmshelt
OLDBOY

Again a brief synopsis would be great for those that maybe have not seen the movie.

And your reasoning as to why.

a reply to: nonspecific

I would argue that Damien's father is the main character and his mission is to destroy the Anti-Christ. it is slowly revealed in the film who and what Damien actually is and what must be done to prevent him from rising to power.

I know I'll catch heat for this but Ferris Bueller is technically the villain in his own film. He takes advantage of everyone from his hardworking parents to sister to poor old Cameron. He has psychopathic tendencies that he can lie to and manipulate people without resentment. The principle in the film may be an asshole but is an asshole that is doing his job. Ferris basically steals his best friends father's car and the worst part is the little # gets away with it all at the end.

He's like a god damn supervillian.

Natural born killers...

Pulp fiction as Marcellus Wallace walks away.

Leon.


Not sure if he's a good guy but he certainly doesn't win.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: nonspecific

I would argue that Damien's father is the main character and his mission is to destroy the Anti-Christ. it is slowly revealed in the film who and what Damien actually is and what must be done to prevent him from rising to power.

Lol my bad I somehow read Omen as exorcist.

Give me an hour to think about what you said as opposed to what I thought.

I always thought that twin peaks was a take on the omen.

originally posted by: olaru12
1984

I have to dispute 1984.
In the book, the ending is an unmitigated defeat; "he loved Big Brother". That is a genuine tragedy.
In the film version, there is a last minute rebellious moment by the hero, in which he and his girl-friend are both shot, and are last seen stretching out their hands to one another.
In other words, there is "defiance" and there is "lovers united in death"; those features both count as victories and happy endings, in Hollywood terms, if the existing story (from a book or from history) prevents them from engineering any other kind of victory.

Similarly, the "man who would be king" meets his death with defiance. Yay, victory!
I haven't seen Braveheart, but I'm willing to bet that the hero meets his end in a mood of defiance. If he has a lover, they will be united in death, Just guessing.
Many films will show how Hollywood is determined to create a victory of some kind, by some defnition, out of the most obstructive materials.
(They have predecessors who gave a happy ending to King Lear)

originally posted by: gortex
Leon.

Not sure if he's a good guy but he certainly doesn't win.

I think he does win as he does the right thing.

I love that movie so much I am going to watch it right now.

Old yeller

12 Monkeys
The good guy fails, dies, and traumatizes his younger self.

Scareface, no good men in that.

a reply to: DISRAELI

I would argue that "heroes united in death" greatly depends on how it is played.

Ultimately, every pair of separated true loves will be united in death as everyone grows old and dies. That is the ending of Titanic after all. Rose is reunited with Jack in death at the site of the sinking.

But that ending can be played as a loss just as much as a victory.

In a straight portrayal of Romeo and Juliet, that is what it is - a loss and a tragedy, not a victory. You are meant to focus on the mistakes and stupidity of the families that led to the desperation of the two and their demise, not the idea that they are united in death.

I will agree it is out of fashion to play united in death for the tragic value more than its heroic aspects in recent times.

reply to: nonspecific

Message in a Bottle.

Titanic

originally posted by: ApparentlyStupid
12 Monkeys
The good guy fails, dies, and traumatizes his younger self.

But does the bad guy win?

The "good guy" loosing is not the same.

It is self fullfilling.

The Usual Suspects...

originally posted by: NewzNose
reply to: nonspecific

Message in a Bottle.

Again for clarity you need to give a synopsis and argument for clarity.

originally posted by: abeverage
The Usual Suspects...

See above.

For clarity.

a reply to: snypwsd

If we're going to use sports movies, then one can't forget "Cool Runnings". Though they tried their hardest, the jamaican bobsled team didn't win the gold.