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No one knows this as fact. There is no truth the trinity impregnated Mary. There is no reasoning to prove "holy spirit" stepped down in vibration to impregnate a human being (its not possible); Joseph was the vehicle and meant to be so as Mary was of the house of David (Messiah construct).
Not possible at all; holy spirit? The Absolute does not confine itself to small efforts (much larger efforts instead)
would never collude into a place regarding the creation of 'dogma' by the human; as this is a ME/or personality driven idea form rather than the IAM identity: direct connect to God without Jesus, Buddha, Mohamed thought forms.
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: Punisher75
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: Punisher75
vhb: If Mary were impregnated by Gabriel (or a servant of the Lord) a human would have to have been involved [Joseph] because the ethereal cannot as a higher dimensional vibration drop down on command into physicality to impregnate a human. Its not possible/it has never happened. Joseph is the father of Jesus/as the Jewish Messiah, both Mary and Joseph carry through genetic lines the prophetic messianic blood line.
Punisher: first off it was not Gabriel it was the Holy Spirit, third person in the trinity.
No one knows this as fact. There is no truth the trinity impregnated Mary. There is no reasoning to prove "holy spirit" stepped down in vibration to impregnate a human being (its not possible); Joseph was the vehicle and meant to be so as Mary was of the house of David (Messiah construct).
vhb: No one knows this as fact. There is no truth the trinity impregnated Mary. There is no reasoning to prove "holy spirit" stepped down in vibration to impregnate a human being (its not possible); Joseph was the vehicle and meant to be so as Mary was of the house of David (Messiah construct).
punisher: Firstly when did you go from WHAT the Scripture teaches to IF what the Scripture teaches is factual?
must have missed that post.
Punisher: Secondly do you have any evidence at all of this vibrational place that the Holy Spirit would have to step down from?I would love to read it if you did.
punisher: if we are talking and assuming the supernatural, as the writers of the Bible did, why would we place limits on it? If it is supernatural it is by definition outside mans sphere of knowledge.
How many bibles do I have to quote Matthew from, Seventh Day, Catholic, Christian Scientists, King James Version, Jehovah Witness, The LDS Mormon Bible?
Its a 'spirit' thought form NOT IN MATTER FORM (so has to step down in vibration to become DENSE to be matter).
You are assuming someone wrote the bible?
The limits were placed when editing the true stories; those of the Gnostic Tales and Tribulations.
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: Punisher75
vhb: No one knows this as fact. There is no truth the trinity impregnated Mary. There is no reasoning to prove "holy spirit" stepped down in vibration to impregnate a human being (its not possible); Joseph was the vehicle and meant to be so as Mary was of the house of David (Messiah construct).
punisher: Firstly when did you go from WHAT the Scripture teaches to IF what the Scripture teaches is factual?
must have missed that post.
How many bibles do I have to quote Matthew from, Seventh Day, Catholic, Christian Scientists, King James Version, Jehovah Witness, The LDS Mormon Bible?
Punisher: Secondly do you have any evidence at all of this vibrational place that the Holy Spirit would have to step down from?I would love to read it if you did.
Its a 'spirit' thought form NOT IN MATTER FORM (so has to step down in vibration to become DENSE to be matter).
punisher: if we are talking and assuming the supernatural, as the writers of the Bible did, why would we place limits on it? If it is supernatural it is by definition outside mans sphere of knowledge.
You are assuming someone wrote the bible? Or just the first 5 chapters (Moses) Torah. Moses is not the confirmed author. If you agree this is outside of your knowledge/comprehension so be it. The limits were placed when editing the true stories; those of the Gnostic Tales and Tribulations.
originally posted by: Sigismundus
a reply to: beenharmed
You wrote: QUOTE "Scientist....our ancient occult brother....alive/formed and wanted science. Did as I stated, reviewed past life information when he was present as a higher light organic body manifesting/demanifesting. He activated the explosion of Suns by changing sound. Radiation was formed, and attacked all holy planets O...origin creation, created out of mass, as a O circular body can only be created from out of a mass....already proven by science itslef. They live inside of a mass atmosphere and consider creation itself. O many of the planets exploded and dust swirling with energy remained. UNQUOTE
I can see that we have veered waaaaaaay off topic here, which is: Is there evidence in the canonical Greek (council-approved) Gospels for a cover-up of the possible rape/seduction of Miryam of Galilee with the two Virgin Birth stories which dragged into proof-texting Isaiah 7:14 following the LXX rendering of (Gk: 'Parthenos' ) for the possible original Heb. 'Almah' ??
Please stick to the topic at hand and avoid any further epistemological incoherence on this thread !
The topic is about evidence, which I supplied.
originally posted by: Sigismundus
a reply to: Punisher75
You wrote: QUOTE "Unfortunately the manuscripts that we are discussing were not written in English so all that stuff you wrote makes no sense in context of anything we are talking about so far as I can tell." UNQUOTE
Took the words right out of my mouth... On this thread we are talking about the (Council-approved) Greek canonical Gospels which language was used to represent older Hebrew/Aramaic idioms - a far cry from modern American English...
Surely everyone on this thread knows this at least...I hope...!
originally posted by: beenharmed
originally posted by: Sigismundus
a reply to: Punisher75
You wrote: QUOTE "Unfortunately the manuscripts that we are discussing were not written in English so all that stuff you wrote makes no sense in context of anything we are talking about so far as I can tell." UNQUOTE
Took the words right out of my mouth... On this thread we are talking about the (Council-approved) Greek canonical Gospels which language was used to represent older Hebrew/Aramaic idioms - a far cry from modern American English...
Surely everyone on this thread knows this at least...I hope...!
Then why are you discussing the information as an English review?
Are you imposing that the English review is not correct?
THE WORD OF GOD itself is a stated O PHI related letter / angle evaluated statement.
Letters = a numerical value.
The WORD OF GOD is not written as a spoken descriptive informed statement.....it is philosophical wisdom, calculations.
This is why interpretation is the reader's own personal choice....and also interpreted readings given by the religious teachers, for the documents are not taught as factual advice...for how could it be taught as spiritual reasoning why spiritual reasoning is to do no harm to another?
This is why religious interpretation is false, as is personal reasoning.
The documents for the WORD OF GOD are factored prophetic advice, that led to the conclusion of the death of spirit factored by PHI to be JESUS.
It involved the review of all forms of Earth attacks - stone conditions - heavenly veil conditions - human and animal nature conditions as described by evidence.
THE WORD - REVELATION
Rev - to change the speed of
EL - GOD by ancient review
AT - (LATIN for AD from O)
ION - (to GO as in GOD) - electrical charge in atoms.
Revelation as a meaning "disclosing", something not previously known or realized....a manifestation or leading to the apocalypse by changing the value of 12 LIGHT.
Holiness of Earth = Light as a natural condition.
Occult science changed the natural light condition of Earth, and sped it by burning it.....UFO manifestation, the same witness as the ancients.
The apocalypse...to uncover.....reveal, discovery and disclosure.
The number being 666...the beast.
Human beings will wear the mark of the beast on their forehead.
The forehead...the third eye or psychic vision or sight.
VI (6) SION
SION the holy Christ.
Change the holy Christ spirit HOLY OX 1000 returning to the atmosphere to defend life against Satan 1000 and we gain the disclosure....UFO burning activation of our heavenly atmosphere.
Human beings mind/brain gets attacked SO DOES VISION.
VI the holy 6 changes to Satan 666 as ADVISED by past spiritual attacks...true and real notification of what occultist practices causes as a human attack on Nature.
HOLY COW...India 8000 years ago evidence of UFO fallout as a nuclear event. Giza relay UFO activation.
Cow in modern time occultist science practices gets attacked by UFO condition...also witnessed in ancient times.
Veneration to the cow, a holy spiritual purpose relating to the UFO attack in India.
Modern day cows then gained mad cow disease. Madness attributed to a changed chemical relationship.
Vethumanbeing: How many bibles do I have to quote Matthew from, Seventh Day, Catholic, Christian Scientists, King James Version, Jehovah Witness, The LDS Mormon Bible?
Punisher75: Depends, If you want to have a discussion about a Bible teaching something along the lines that Mary was not in fact a virgin when Christ was conceived then one would suffice.
vhb:
Its a 'spirit' thought form NOT IN MATTER FORM (so has to step down in vibration to become DENSE to be matter).
Punisher: I will ask again, if we are presupposing the supernatural, then by what reason can we possibly bind it to natural law?
vhb: You are assuming someone wrote the bible?
Punisher: Yes I am assuming that someone wrote the Bible, I am assuming quite a number of people wrote the Bible as a matter of fact. Not real sure what this has to do with a presupposition of the supernatural.
vhb:The limits were placed when editing the true stories; those of the Gnostic Tales and Tribulations.
Punisher: Get back to me on this theory of yours when you find a Gnostic text that predates the Gospels.
The only Gnostic text that even comes CLOSE TO age of the writings of the ANY book in the New Testament is the Gospel of Thomas. And here is a clue, The Gospel of Thomas is not collections of Stories about Christ... or a collection of stories of anything at all, it is something more akin to The Book of Proverbs.
Punisher: What does all this mean?
It means that there was no suppression, of anything, what there was however was a refusal to acknowledge something that comes along telling a completely different story several DECADES and sometimes CENTURY'S later as authentic to the religion.
What does all this mean? It means that there was no suppression, of anything, what there was however was a refusal to acknowledge something that comes along telling a completely different story several DECADES and sometimes CENTURY'S later as authentic to the religion.
You have to be kidding.