Freemasons – A Disgrace to Humanity

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: eisegesis

I'm a Mason and many of my friends are. And we're not evil, or corrupt. And neither is our lodge.

I think you've taken in a big load of media hype. Yes there were many famous people who were masons. And those famous people may have done bad things. But that doesnt mean Masonry is bad, nor are all the people in Masonry bad.

Many Catholic priests are pedophiles and bad people who have done bad things. They belong to the Catholic church. Therefore all people who are Catholics are pedophiles and bad people.

Is that a fair assessment?

A religious organizations that maintains secrecy in order to better themselves and the world, is the same *YAWN* as it always was meant to be.

It is realistically a system of fear, that masquerades as something else, but then what would anyone one of us know.

Time for something a hell of a lot better than this brotherhood.

That's sounds an awful lot like this Popes declaration against Freemasonry:

Following the introduction of Freemasonry in Florence, Italy, in 1733, persecution followed.

On April 28th, 1738, one of the biggest events of anti-Masonry occurred when Pope Clement XII issued the Papal Bull "In Eminenti Apostolatus" which was the first official edict against Freemasonry. The logic behind this edict was that Freemasonry works in secrecy and that nothing good comes from; it's ironic to see this as it is still an argument used by many anti-Masons. As a result of this edict, Catholics are prohibited from joining the Craft. Here are some excerpts of this edict:

Now it has come to Our ears, and common gossip has made clear, that certain Societies, Companies, Assemblies, Meetings, Congregations or Conventicles called in the popular tongue Liberi Muratori or Francs Massons or by other names according to the various languages, are spreading far and wide and daily growing in strength; and men of any Religion or sect, satisfied with the appearance of natural probity, are joined together, according to their laws and the statutes laid down for them, by a strict and unbreakable bond which obliges them, both by an oath upon the Holy Bible and by a host of grievous punishment, to an inviolable silence about all that they do in secret together. But it is in the nature of crime to betray itself and to show itself by its attendant clamor. Thus these aforesaid Societies or Conventicles have caused in the minds of the faithful the greatest suspicion, and all prudent and upright men have passed the same judgment on them as being depraved and perverted. For if they were not doing evil they would not have so great a hatred of the light.

Rich coming from the "Holy Roman Empire".

More about anti-masonry: www.travelingtemplar.com...

a reply to: gpols

His whole post was trying to dismiss Freemasons and give the reader the false impression that freemasonries power and significance is declining, and make Jesuits seem more powerful and more significant than they really are.

a reply to: Pinocchio

I saw a damsel in distress and it occurred to me she needed a knight.
So... I left her for dead.

You wooden headed fool sir ... Never let a good situation go to waste ... You could have taken her purse ... or rescued her and gained said damsels favours

Free Masonry is the knight in shining aprons

Lol ... Classic

Edit to add ... But not Shi@es in Whining Armour one hopes

a reply to: noonebutme

“See my lord, from this room--from this room I govern not only Paris, but China, not only China, but the whole world, without anyone knowing how ‘tis managed.”
Michael Angelo Tamburni, 1720, Jesuit General, Speaking to the Duke of Brancas
Source: History of the Jesuits, Andrew Steinmetz, vol. 1, p. 107

a reply to: 0hlord

as I understand it, there is the "white" pope and the "black" pope and it is like god cop bad cop…

Mae Brussell - Opus Dei, Knights Of Malta, Vatican Death Squads.
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Eric Phelps on the Jesuits - Vatican Assassins ( part 2 )
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"You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism," Churchill is quoted as saying, "but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest." (Emrys Hughes, Winston Churchill, His Career in War and Peace p. 145) 

originally posted by: 0hlord
a reply to: Aleister

Thank you.


ND knows a thing or two, but at the same time very little.
BTW I am not a FreeMason

Water cannot flow into a full vessel, but fills and empty one nicely.
And yes, I know a little, but have a whole lot left to learn.

originally posted by: eisegesis

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: eisegesis
In my opinion, asking a Mason about Freemasonry, ironically, is one of the most counter productive ways to investigate them.

Yea, when I want to know how to cut meat, I always call the gardener. Boy is that guy clueless when it comes to steak.

Well, whenever I ask the cook what makes his dish so palatable, he never gets back to me.

I think its a secret recipe.

but you have yet to ask anything. so far, you just told us what we are. Which is kind of humorous knowing you have never been to meeting or degree. I value my integrity a bit to much to lie, and lucky for you, there are many brothers here who would gladly set me straight if I told you something wrong. But as usual, most have no clue what they even want to know, so they resort to ASSuming they already have the knowledge, and take the low road.

Masonry isn't something that will save humanity, but it does do a damn fine job of shaping and helping a community. I wonder, have any known masons ever personally wronged you?

originally posted by: Verum1quaere
“See my lord, from this room--from this room I govern not only Paris, but China, not only China, but the whole world, without anyone knowing how ‘tis managed.”
Michael Angelo Tamburni, 1720, Jesuit General, Speaking to the Duke of Brancas
Source: History of the Jesuits, Andrew Steinmetz, vol. 1, p. 107

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
--Martin Luther King, Jr.

See, I can throw out a semi-related quote as well to make my post look cryptic and not really say anything.

Your point?

a reply to: network dude

I wonder, have any known masons ever personally wronged you?

Lets just get this one out of the way early. No.

so far, you just told us what we are. Which is kind of humorous knowing you have never been to meeting or degree.

You need to reread my posts more discernibly. I use the word "Freemason" as a general description and the only implication that I am encompassing every member that ever existed as part of an agenda is coming from those who are accusing me of doing so. I think you know damn well that I'm not, and admittedly cannot, cast the same light upon all Masons. I've said it a few times now that I'm not purposefully trying to lump together every member.

How about a doughnut analogy to further diminish their pride? Good Masons are the "doughnut" and corrupt agenda driven Masons are the "munchkins". No matter which angle you approach the doughnut, it is going to look consistent and familiar. The only way to become a "munchkin" is by first becoming part of the doughnut. As the "doughnut" begins to rise, they are carefully watched and inspected. If the doughnut shows enough structure and integrity, a "munchkin" will be cast from it's "whole body" (Freemasonry).

The lesser degrees are recruitment degrees and those who wish to broaden their teachings will be vetted by each consecutive degree thereafter. In the higher degrees, it becomes apparent who is in fact loyal to the grave, offering an opportunity to single out members who exhibit the highest form of composure, leadership and visionary expression. While an already existing power structure is in place, created by Masons, for Masons, they help place high ranking members into very prominent positions of power. It is all self serving.

Occasionally, more often than I assume, appointed Masons are placed or "helped" to achieve their agenda if it does not directly threaten the livelihood of the group or Freemasonry in general. Consistently found in most high and influential positions of government who's "extracurricular activities" outside of their normal duties, is to help facilitate the Freemason "brotherhood" into as many other facets of law, in order to pay forward the favors granted upon himself.

This in turn creates a "pseudo" justice system, revolving around the well-being of those deemed worthy enough to protect. Once we understand, by ways of new information, exactly who was and is a Freemason, we can begin to correlate our own investigation. You seriously need to give more credit to the people. In my opinion, Freemason agendas will never be exposed with the help of Masons themselves. Again, how can you be willing to help expose any corruption if you are unable to look past your own self proclaimed anecdotal ecosystem?

originally posted by: eisegesis
The lesser degrees are recruitment degrees and those who wish to broaden their teachings will be vetted by each consecutive degree thereafter.

I still haven't seen what is considered the "lesser degrees" and what constitutes "higher degrees."

While an already existing power structure is in place, created by Masons, for Masons, they help place high ranking members into very prominent positions of power. It is all self serving.

How do you know?

As I've said before, Freemasonry does not dictate one's profession nor does it push people into positions of power. It's also very condescending and insulting as you are essentially saying that Mason is not incompetent enough to get a job or be elected without aid of the fraternity and other Freemasons.

a reply to: eisegesis

How long have you worked on making up that load of bollocks?

The lesser degrees are recruitment degrees and those who wish to broaden their teachings will be vetted by each consecutive degree thereafter. In the higher degrees, it becomes apparent who is in fact loyal to the grave and also, as well as offering an opportunity to single out members who exhibit the highest form of composure, leadership and visionary expression. While an already existing power structure is in place, created by Masons, for Masons, they help place high ranking members into very prominent positions of power. It is all self serving.

Thing is, there is nothing I, or any other Mason on this site can say that will get you to re-evaluate your opinion. You've made up your mind based on fantasy and fiction.

But look, if it makes you happy and gives your life meaning to portray Masons as a "disgrace" to humanity - that's fine. But i would ask you give the same level of ignorant assumption to Catholicism, the Police, Judaism, Islam and the rest of the "elites" who rule the world.

Be ignorant and biased -- go for it. Just be consistent in your ignorance and apply it evenly.

originally posted by: ParasuvO
It is realistically a system of fear, that masquerades as something else, but then what would anyone one of us know.

Whatever you want to know -- we're here to answer questions.

Or better yet, get off your @rse and Google it. The entire 3rd degree book is on the net, complete with the words which are "hidden" in our purchased books. (As if it's even a secret any more)

Nothing is hidden. The only thing which you won't get is story, which is explained in different ways. But then, even that is based on old Biblical stories.

I really don't see it being the "secret" you make it out to be.

a reply to: eisegesis

Well, there are two points to that. First, if a very small number of masons happen to be plotting something evil, are they doing it in the name of masonry, or just in the spirit of evil?

Second, what degree will I be turned into a bad guy? I admit I can only speak to that which I know. I have been made a master mason, I have been master of my lodge, and I have been made a 32nd degree Scottish Rite mason. I am active in the Scottish Rite and one day, hope to become a KCCH and if my ability to help continues, perhaps one day, be lucky enough to have my peers make me a 33rd, but that is something that doesn't happen to everyone and isn't easy to do. It's a great honor. But I know quite a few men who have had both those honors, and they are still the kind of men I aspire to be.

See, the whole "higher degree" makes us masons smile, it just shows that you fall for the easy low hanging fruit, like a sheeple. If I was to be concerned about someone who had power, Ksig would be the first on my list. He is a member of a # load of invite only orders. Now he is either plotting world domination, or he is just really busy going to meetings. But even then, He is likely too busy to spend too much time waging war and taking over vast oil deposits.

Bad people are that way to the core. Good people, amazingly enough are the same. Spending years trying to do the best you can for your community and friends, only to reach some point and decide you would rather kill innocent folks, or eat babies, or whatever it is you think they do, just seems like a huge stretch. Can't say it doesn't happen, but why?

originally posted by: eisegesis
In my opinion, Freemason agendas will never be exposed with the help of Masons themselves. Again, how can you be willing to help expose any corruption if you are unable to look past your own self proclaimed anecdotal ecosystem?

Join and expose us from the inside. Find out what we know and what we do. It's not hard to get started. Just have a genuine belief in a higher power and be sure you are a criminal or a douche bag.

Or is it just easier to google a few things that fit your confirmation bias and post on ATS?

I guess times have changed and people are happy being lazy.

a reply to: network dude

Join and expose us from the inside. Find out what we know and what we do. It's not hard to get started. Just have a genuine belief in a higher power and be sure you are a criminal or a douche bag.

I think you need reread your post, lol.

Be sure I'm a criminal or douche bag, eh?

(may have possibly gone over my head)

LOL!!!



I'll comment more when I can find the time.

I hope all of your Thanksgiving agendas are happening as planned.

Seriously though, assumptions aside...

You guys seem like good people and a small part of me bleeds every time I accuse the group that you represent of wrongdoing or the longstanding coercion of freewill, lol.

I may end up being wrong, but its something that I've always felt was right. Part of me really and truthfully does want to become a Mason, except I would have to give up some of my core values in doing so. I do not believe in containing and/or withholding knowledge that cannot be shared with the rest of humanity.

You guys must really know something that is withholding the rest of us from exterminating ourselves. I find the target of my accusations, those who use the knowledge they withhold to better themselves in a way that cheapens or excludes the rest of our ability to take advantage of the same mechanisms of betterment.

originally posted by: eisegesis
I may end up being wrong, but its something that I've always felt was right. Part of me really and truthfully does want to become a Mason, except I would have to give up some of my core values in doing so. I do not believe in containing and/or withholding knowledge that cannot be shared with the rest of humanity.

Does that include your pin code to your bank account? Intimacy details between you and your significant other?

The personal details of your children? Your secure passwords to your online shopping?

Define exactly WHAT information you thing is being withheld, and I'll happily explain how it is not.

a reply to: noonebutme

Define exactly WHAT information you thing is being withheld, and I'll happily explain how it is not.

I've already explained why I'm not comfortable in doing that. I prefer different methods of research. What would be the point when all the self proclaimed Masons on here keep assuring me that you can find it all on the internet?

Nothing is hidden?

Or better yet, get off your @rse and Google it. The entire 3rd degree book is on the net, complete with the words which are "hidden" in our purchased books. (As if it's even a secret any more)

Nothing is hidden. The only thing which you won't get is story, which is explained in different ways. But then, even that is based on old Biblical stories.

I really don't see it being the "secret" you make it out to be.

Do you really think we're that stupid? There is nothing pertaining to Masonry on the internet worth celebrating as an achievement to those attempting to discover it's guarded secrets. Not to say that you won't learn a thing or two from reading what you can easily access. Perhaps even change your life as other books have throughout history.

I wish in my perception, what you all say that you stand for is consistent and present throughout. I have stated from the beginning that I don't trust those who are affiliated. While lack of trust is not the most flattering of term, I mean it in the lightest sense. I would still have you over and show gratitude, but you would end up like so many other acquaintances. There are some things that you just can't talk about.

Perhaps another AMA is in order? This thread has turned into exactly what I knew it would, me vs. the Masons. Earlier, when I said, "Is anyone here willing to break down a belief system they once had in order to properly and subjectively investigate the Freemason's tie-in with history?", in retrospect, forces me to admit that if I cannot essentially do what I'm asking of others, then I cannot expect another to do the same at my request.



Ask a Freemason, courtesy of ATS.

Do it. Lay it all out. Let us form our opinions based upon the questions you can't answer.

originally posted by: eisegesis
I do not believe in containing and/or withholding knowledge that cannot be shared with the rest of humanity.

Neither do Masons.

You guys must really know something that is withholding the rest of us from exterminating ourselves. I find the target of my accusations, those who use the knowledge they withhold to better themselves in a way that cheapens or excludes the rest of our ability to take advantage of the same mechanisms of betterment.

You want the secrets? Are you sure you can handle them?

Ok.

Here they are.

* Be a good person.

* Make wise use of your time and lead a balanced life.

That's the secret, right there. Those are the core lessons of every Masonic degree, 1-33.

If you fail, you have no one to blame but yourself.

a reply to: eisegesis

Yea, "not" was supposed to be there. My bad.

How about you take a leap of faith and trust someone you never met. There is nothing I have learned that I cannot share with others except the handshakes and passwords. If you really want to know them, google it. I'd prefer not to tell you about the degrees as they are best experienced based on trust and not knowing what's coming. It helps to understand the impact of what the lessons are.

But once you understand what happens, and why, you will see how silly all the anti-garbage really is.

a reply to: JoshNorton

Star for you!

It's strange, I already feel like a "brother" though I'm not a Freemason. Now why can't you guys drop the act and start helping humanity get back on their feet? Use what integrity you have and de-compartmentalize into a greater force for good across the planet. The veil of secrecy just doesn't help us believe that what you are telling us is all that there is.

I'm not directing that at you per se, but those who use Freemasonry as a platform to pool resources and unfairly serve the agendas of other members. Those who invest in war, not peace, as many members are shown to exist amongst our military. Those who have helped others avoid consequence throughout history's fumbles due to the independent or affiliated pursuit of power. All trash.

As names emerge, more questions arise. The OP spoke directly to the possible manipulation of trial and evidence relating to one of most significant events in history. Many suspicions arise after looking into the who's and whys, while money trails always lead to a pot of gold. Add a bunch of Freemasons and you've got yourself a party!