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Freemasons – A Disgrace to Humanity

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posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: KSigMason


The only thing that is a disgrace is that more Masons haven't been involved with their communities.

Why is that?


The whole Titanic thing is a fabrication of some author from some rag. All he did was see that there have been been notable and famous Freemasons and then drew conclusions. Nothing from the release of names suggests a cover up, but in England, its all about the Mason bashing and witch-hunts.

So that's it, I'm supposed to take your word on the matter? I thought you were here to help with the vetting process. It is our duty to expose the truth and not one single entity or organization is exempt from that process. You sometimes find out that what is beautiful on the exterior is rotten to the core. The more information we get, the better chance we have at connecting the dots.


Just because there have been some famous Freemasons, doesn't mean they were "engineering history," that's assuming things not in evidence. People assume that Freemasonry, as in the fraternity, has some all-powerful guiding hand in the daily affairs of its members. It doesn't. Nor does it meddle in the affairs of governments to cause change in economic or society.

So apparently, this quote didn't hit you as hard as it did me...


More than 5,500 police officers, thousands of military figures, 170 judges, 169 MPs, 16 bishops and an Indian prince are listed in the Freemasons archive to be made public by family history website Ancestry.

When Freemasons are found in high and influential places, such as in politics, religion or the justice system, etc. you are in fact “engineering” history when a fellow Mason will not condemn the actions of their “brothers”. Answer me this question, what is a Masonic badge doing on the back of some cars and trucks? Seems to me that D.U.I.'s and speeding tickets become a thing of the past after joining, just like the stickers that the officers give out to their family and friends to deter other officers from pulling them over.

Also, you know it as well as I do, that its very hard to prove any connection Masons have until the identities of one is exposed. In my opinion, further investigation is always needed after finally seeing just how many Masons exist in our legal system. Today, they are more willing to list their members, but even then I don't trust the lists. Freemasonry does not guide the affairs, but more or less facilitates (unbeknownst to you), the support needed, while they use their networking abilities to fastback people into high positions of power.


Everyone has a right to privacy and I don't get this obsession with knowing who's who in Freemasonry. Secretive is such a bad descriptor, I'd say that private is more accurate. If we were secretive, you wouldn't know where we meet, when we meet, and we wouldn't have websites with tons of information. We display emblems because we're proud to be Freemasons as well as members of other groups.

I didn't "obsess" until it was discovered who exactly the past members of Freemasonry were. When kings, princes, judges, military, police officers, etc. are ousted as members, you slowly lose the legs you have to stand on. If you can't see the connection, you aren’t thinking subjectively enough. Privacy is great, as long as no one gets harmed in the process.

The information listed on the internet is a front, which I may source here and there, existing only to distract us from the real secrets. Masons would NEVER divulge anything that they didn't want to and saying that "what you read is what you get" is one of the biggest jokes I've heard. You are hiding something, something that you may not know or understand, but its there and beginning to rear it's ugly head.


To jump to the conclusion that we are "circumventing the law and manipulating history" is conjecture.

For know, but as you know, proof is hard to come by. It is up to the rest of us to collaborate and help expose the corruption.


Your scrutiny is an assumption and often the conspiracy theories are based on false information, misconceptions, and downright lies.

Yes, the Freemason agenda IS a conspiracy. I think I'm in the right place to try and pry the lid off this mother.


In all of the stories and discussions of bad Masons, those have only demonstrated a fraction of a percentage of the fraternity at a given time.

My point exactly. I would hope that on a conspiracy website where Masons reside, that they would do more than come to the aid of a fellow Mason. Help us find the truth as there is a big coincidence between Freemasonry and influential positions of power. To deny that is ignorant.


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posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: Pinocchio

Lol all freemasonry is pseudo, you can't be a pseudo-freemason, its a contradiction in terms, but then again you are Pinocchio, so it would be uncharacteristic of you to tell it as it is!

P.S. Me thinks there is more than one Pinocchio in this thread.
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posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 05:49 PM
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Taking into consideration that it is an organization honored in every free country worldwide...
I would pride myself in believing that it's better them than some other beguiling monster.
Yay Freemason...



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: eisegesis




help expose the corruption. 


The total corruption you have so far exposed relating to freemasonry in this thread so far = 0!

All you have is opinion and speculation, either because of ignorance or because of an agenda to malign their reputation in the eyes of the unsuspecting public.



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 05:59 PM
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I saw a damsel in distress and it occurred to me she needed a knight.
So... I left her for dead.
Then... I saw her again the next day and she was alive and well.
She said to me: you are not the knight of the rose cross... And I said no. I am not.
I am the long night. My light in this world is not kindled by holy royal noble sacred valiant or any other calamity you thought was good in the Lord's eyes.
My light is gone... gone forever. Thus a long knight.

Free Masonry is the knight in shining aprons.



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 06:03 PM
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Freeaponry



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 06:07 PM
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originally posted by: 0hlord
a reply to: eisegesis




help expose the corruption. 


The total corruption you have so far exposed relating to freemasonry in this thread so far = 0!

All you have is opinion and speculation, either because of ignorance or because of an agenda to malign their reputation in the eyes of the unsuspecting public.

Says you. I brought two sources here to be dissected and discussed. If the information is correctly vetted and turns out to be untrue, so be it. My suspicions will still remain. So far, we are up to page 8 and no one really seems interested in the information put forth. This is the new ATS. Defend, defend, defend. Is anyone here willing to break down a belief system they once had in order to properly and subjectively investigate the Freemason's tie-in with history? The LAST thing I witness from Masons on this website is subjectivity. All they know is the good "brotherhood" therefore to them, it is true and easy to push back against the scrutiny.



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 06:26 PM
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Is anyone here willing to break down a belief system they once had in order to properly and subjectively investigate the Freemason's tie-in with history?


Yes, and I came out seeing them in a far more favourable light than I had based on posts like yours.

If you want to talk about them in a historical context, I fully encourage you to do so. ... Go ahead.



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 06:34 PM
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Ask anything you like. just please, don't tell me about things I do and you do not. I promise I won't tell you how to do what you just finished today with work. But then, I don't even know what you do.

And I try to keep that in mind with other things as well.



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 06:37 PM
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a reply to: network dude

What you you know?



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 06:57 PM
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Masonry was once needed but those who fought understood what masonry was about .. when they stop fulfilling the simplest of tasks in society and use a name covered in fear and mystery.. Doing your obligation once in a while is considered enough..?

In my eyes its not, you see people who take pride in calling themselves masons and demand the respect that follows with it.. When in fact it should be an obligation to society and its needs, it should mean you withhold all the virtues or die defending them..

Masons today, if i work hard enough, its rightfully mine.. Masonry lost its very ways a some time ago.. All you defend is the very thing you were once against..
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posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:02 PM
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Didn't the UK labor party do an official investigation into Freemasonry judges/cops corruption (when they wanted all government employees to register if they were a Freemason) and admitted they found absolutely nothing?



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:05 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: eisegesis

Ask anything you like. just please, don't tell me about things I do and you do not. I promise I won't tell you how to do what you just finished today with work. But then, I don't even know what you do.

And I try to keep that in mind with other things as well.

Thanks, but I think this thread has gone "the way of the Dodo". I REALLY wanted to discuss the information contained in the OP, but it turned into a "Masons don't influence history because I'm a Mason and I said so" thread, no offense. I've always enjoyed your humble contributions to this website, but there's just one problem, I will never trust a Freemason unless I myself become one. Even then I would lack the ability to fully trust them, hence my unwillingness to join. In my opinion, asking a Mason about Freemasonry, ironically, is one of the most counter productive ways to investigate them.



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:21 PM
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You brought two sources here but only one link works. You state that Masons were responsible for the sinking of the Titanic yet your one working source clearly states there was a number of them involved in the inquiry which I cant see translates to responsibility for the sinking.

You lament that the new ATS is all about "defend, defend, defend". I miss the old ATS where there were fewer inflamed and misleading post titles......



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: meemaw
a reply to: eisegesis

You brought two sources here but only one link works. You state that Masons were responsible for the sinking of the Titanic yet your one working source clearly states there was a number of them involved in the inquiry which I cant see translates to responsibility for the sinking.

You lament that the new ATS is all about "defend, defend, defend". I miss the old ATS where there were fewer inflamed and misleading post titles......

The link has been fixed, thanks.



You state that Masons were responsible for the sinking of the Titanic yet your one working source clearly states there was a number of them involved in the inquiry which I cant see translates to responsibility for the sinking.

Wrong. That is misleading in itself. This is what I actually said:


Now, for those that don't know or have never speculated, the newly released archive also links Freemasonry to the sinking of the Titanic. Whether they had a hand in it from the start or not, you can clearly see why there is a reason to be suspicious.

I was alluding to their involvement, not blaming them for it. You can look at this a number of ways. One, they had a hand in the process from the beginning and intentionally helped cover up those responsible. Or two, they had nothing to do with it actually sinking, and only helped "whitewash" the investigation after discovering those who could be held accountable were in fact fellow Masons. Again, you don't find any of this new information the least bit suspicious?


It confirms that not only the judge who oversaw the British Wreck Commissioner’s inquiry into the disaster and leading investigators, but also even some of those who escaped censure were all Freemasons.

While a US Senate inquiry into the sinking savaged the White Star Line and singled out the British Board of Trade for blame for lax regulations which allowed the scandalously small number of lifeboats fitted on the ship, the UK investigation overseen by Lord Mersey avoided blaming the Board of Trade.

Lord Mersey himself - John Charles Bigham - was, the records show, a Freemason, initiated in 1881 at the Northern Bar Lodge in London.
Crucially, so too appears to have been the President of the Board of Trade Sydney Buxton, initiated at Limehouse in East London in 1888 where he was the local MP at the time.

The names of at least two of the inquiry’s five expert assessors – Prof John Harvard Biles, a specialist in naval architecture, and Edward Chaston, the senior engineer assessor – can also be found in the Masonic archive.

Meanwhile Lord Pirrie, who was not only chairman of the Harland and Wolff shipyard in Belfast which built the Titanic but, crucially, also one of the directors of White Star’s parent company, also appears to have been a Freemason.

The peer was born William Pirrie in Quebec in 1847. The records show a William Pirrie initiated at St George's Lodge in Montreal in 1904.

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posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:43 PM
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Well, the two gentleman who signed my petition were two that I had met the night I showed up to the Lodge and turned in my petition. Neither of them had met me or knew me.

a reply to: eisegesis
Understandable.


a reply to: eisegesis
Freemasons as a whole have contributed to the betterment of their community. Some of the Founding Fathers of the US were Freemasons: www.travelingtemplar.com...

Don't take my word on the matter. Look at the original article, all the author does is make some statements, but from the Ancestry.com release, there is no suggestion of cover-up. He came up with it on his own and everyone just ran with it. In England, the rampant "witch-hunts" and "red scares" are pathetic and never ending; think of McCarthyism. I'm familiar with the core of Freemasonry, not taint. I'm not saying that every Mason is perfect, Lord knows I'm not, but I'm also not one to burn down an orchard over a few bad apples.

Well, being one who looks at statistics, 5,500 police officers (and all the others) over 200-years isn't that much; yearly average would be 27.5, but I'm guessing that at any one time (given the overlap and some leeway on both ends) you'd probably see around 500 Masons who were also cops just from that statistic.

Freemasonry is not dictatorship that sticks its hand in the daily affairs of its members nor does it attempt to form or change political policy. Simply being a Freemason in an "influential position" doesn't mean Freemasonry is engineering anything. That is an assumption on your part.

Many Masons are proud of their membership in the Masonic fraternity and like to display it on their car. I myself have two or three emblems on my truck. I have yet to get out of a speeding ticket for being a Freemason; I have got out of a ticket because my dad was a cop and the cop knew my dad or grandfather or great-grandfather (who were also cops)...and neither of whom were Freemasons. Having Masonic decals on one's vehicle is not some "get out of jail free" card used to usurp justice. Cops don't hand out stickers to deter officers from pulling them over.

"Further investigation" from my experience is violating rights in order to appease unfounded suspicions. Being a member of a private organization is not a crime so there's no reason to investigate.

We've listed Masons in the past: www.phoenixmasonry.org...

Your "fastback" comment seems so condescending as it suggests those people would not have otherwise made it to that position. It's belittling.

Freemasonry has members from all walks of life. We're not going to reject membership because you think someone in an influential position may cause appearance of impropriety. Some of the information posted about Freemasonry is wrong, but there's also a lot of truthful information out there. You can call it a "front", but facts are facts. I have my obvious bias, being a Mason, but I also did tons of research before joining and continue to do research...plus the 1st hand experience that disproves many conspiracies. There's nothing ugly in Freemasonry.

One problem I see with you is that you are under the premise that there is corruption to expose, regardless of the facts. You have tunnel vision. Also, I have helped expose corruption as I prevented some criminal from joining my Lodge who almost slipped in and I've been on Masonic tribunals which led to the expulsion of Masons who didn't live by the values of Freemasonry.

What Masonic agenda do you think exists?
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posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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A Freemason should live by all of his obligations, oaths, and vows.

a reply to: nancyliedersdeaddog
Yes.

a reply to: eisegesis
I'm sure Freemasons have themselves been influential in history, but to say Freemasonry is malevolent force hiding in the shadows pulling the strings is a farce.

I've made my statements not simply because I read some "news" article, but because of experience and in-depth research.



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: eisegesis
In my opinion, asking a Mason about Freemasonry, ironically, is one of the most counter productive ways to investigate them.


Yea, when I want to know how to cut meat, I always call the gardener. Boy is that guy clueless when it comes to steak.
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posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: 0hlord
a reply to: network dude

What you you know?


This is another way to say "Know thyself".



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: Aleister

Thank you.


ND knows a thing or two, but at the same time very little.
BTW I am not a FreeMason




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