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originally posted by: Hecate666
After my post [in which I made clear that I am a noob to this], I learned some more, yet it doesn't satisfy me.
I knew that the 'cut throat gesture' was more symbolic...BUT...apparently you just get expelled for spilling the beans?
If that was true, then these things make me wonder:
- There must have been many people spilling the beans on the secrets, yet none [apart from the hand shakes, which are commonly known anyway] are to be found on the internet. Why? Everything gets shared quickly. If an 'expelled' FM told me the secret, I would put it up on the net before he could finish his sentence.
- Maybe the spilled beans are just too unimportant? Then why make such a bloody fuss about them in the first place?
- Apparently anyone can join and pay £100 if they believe in a higher being? Why then are all the masons I know rich business people? I have yet to meet a Mc Donald employee amongst their ranks. Something doesn't add up.
- Why, if everything is so normal and unimportant and mediocre and for everyone, are there so many important buildings and whole areas build up with masonic architecture? Normal developers can't do this. Imagine some Joe Bloggs Architect coming along and saying he wants to design the city district where all important decisions are made. Yeah, wouldn't happen. Yet the Masons somehow have managed just that. Tell me again how they are just like 'you and me'.
- If there are no secrets that can't be told, why swear on oath, why make such a fuss with all the ranks and all that malarkey? If that was true, it would make FM look like clowns and all the rituals would be extremely ridiculous.
How could I believe anything a 'so called' Free Mason tells me here on ATS?
First off you could be of the lowest rank and have no clue about the rest yourself.
Or if you are a Master who is sworn to secrecy, you would obviously say that there is nothing much to it!
So, please explain the above. I am really interested in this.
originally posted by: MagnaCarta2015
a reply to: network dude
Hi, without asking how they're conducted or what you do I'm curious as to how the rituals are beneficial to your growth in tangible terms?
Wanting to be a better person is a noble thing and I can understand the desire to be around people who think similarly and try to attain that; but aren't these experiences and goals that a person can just gain through their own determination with less effort and ceremony?
originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: Nochzwei
Except Satan is a creation of another being and therefore wouldn't be a supreme being.
Freemasonry is not the anti-Christ. That's an ignorant attempt to libel and label Freemasonry.
originally posted by: Nochzwei
But the higher power that members believe in can be satan too. So plain and simple as the Bible says, what is not of Christ, is of the anti Christ. So freemasonry, not being of Christ, is of the anti Christ
a reply to: hombero
originally posted by: Ignatian
a reply to: network dude
Freemasonry was developed simply as a way for men to get away from their wives for awhile, no more no less. Don't overthink it.
They developed their secrecy and goofy rituals, as their raisin d'être. They couldn't just sit around drinking all the time, cuz if they did, the wives would get suspicious, and put an end to it.
Because of their inherent anti-Christian mantras (that only their grand poobahs with the most garish hats are aware of), Catholics were not allowed to join in the fun and games...so was born The Knights of Columbus. The Knights, another group formed, for men to basically have a place to go to get away from their wives for awhile. And yes, their grand poobahs wear funny hats too.
I joined a golf league. No funny hats, funny pants instead. And it gets me away from the wife for a few hours. Bottoms up boys!!