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originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: eisegesis
In my opinion, asking a Mason about Freemasonry, ironically, is one of the most counter productive ways to investigate them.
Yea, when I want to know how to cut meat, I always call the gardener. Boy is that guy clueless when it comes to steak.
Secret networks of Freemasons have been used by organised crime gangs to corrupt the criminal justice system, according to a bombshell Metropolitan Police report leaked to The Independent.
Operation Tiberius, written in 2002, found underworld syndicates used their contacts in the controversial brotherhood to “recruit corrupted officers” inside Scotland Yard, and concluded it was one of “the most difficult aspects of organised crime corruption to proof against”.
The report – marked “Secret” – found serving officers in East Ham east London who were members of the Freemasons attempted to find out which detectives were suspected of links to organised crime from other police sources who were also members of the society.
The political establishment and much of the media often dismiss such ideas as the work of conspiracy theorists. However, Operation Tiberius is the second secret police report revealed by The Independent in the last six months to highlight the possible issue.
Project Riverside, a 2008 report on the rogue private investigations industry by the Serious Organised Crime Agency, also claimed criminals attempt to corrupt police officers through Freemason members in a bid to further their interests.
Concerns over the influence of freemasons on the criminal justice system in 1998 led former Home Secretary Jack Straw to order that all police officers and judges should declare membership of the organisation.
However, ten of Britain’s 43 police forces refused to take part and the policy was dropped under threat of legal action. In England and Wales, the Grand Master of the Freemasons is Prince Edward, Duke of Kent. The United Grand Lodge of England declined to comment last night.
The Independent revealed last week that Operation Tiberius found that organised crime syndicates such as the Adams family and the gang led by David Hunt were able to infiltrate the Met “at will”.
Asked to comment on the Tiberius report, a spokesman for Scotland Yard said: “The Metropolitan Police Service will not tolerate any behaviour by our officers and staff which could damage the trust placed in police by the public.
“We are determined to pursue corruption in all its forms and with all possible vigour.”
originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: eisegesis
I'm a Mason and many of my friends are. And we're not evil, or corrupt. And neither is our lodge.
I think you've taken in a big load of media hype. Yes there were many famous people who were masons. And those famous people may have done bad things. But that doesnt mean Masonry is bad, nor are all the people in Masonry bad.
Many Catholic priests are pedophiles and bad people who have done bad things. They belong to the Catholic church. Therefore all people who are Catholics are pedophiles and bad people.
Is that a fair assessment?
originally posted by: Pinocchio
I saw a damsel in distress and it occurred to me she needed a knight.
So... I left her for dead.
Then... I saw her again the next day and she was alive and well.
She said to me: you are not the knight of the rose cross... And I said no. I am not.
I am the long night. My light in this world is not kindled by holy royal noble sacred valiant or any other calamity you thought was good in the Lord's eyes.
My light is gone... gone forever. Thus a long knight.
Free Masonry is the knight in shining aprons.
originally posted by: borracho
a reply to: Hecate666
As for having to be influential, let me tell you the occupations of some of the members of my lodge. We have a really great plumber, carpenters, electricians, retired school teacher, chiropractor, a few lawyers, tattoo artists, body pierces, college students....
Yeah, we accept any man that is of lawful age, believes in a supreme being or higher power, and does not have a felony.
originally posted by: 0hlord
a reply to: Robotswilltakeover