Team Carson: ‘Politico Story Is An Outright LIE’

originally posted by: Enochstask
a reply to: infolurker
It doesn't matter now, the Liberal Communist got the headline out that they wanted. This is a modern day digital lynching.

Ready to call it ... if Dr. Carson doesn't quit ... Conservatives heads will be spinning like tops before they explode.

They're going to be caught between damning liberals for playing the race card ... and doing it themselves.

LOL.

originally posted by: Aleister
a reply to: infolurker

Star and flag, I may have gotten this wrong and jumped on the bandwagon on another thread. Did the Politico reporter just make up the fact that the Carson campaign confirmed it? Strange days.

This is kind of like the same thing that Harry Reid did against Mitt Romney when he went on the Senate floor and said Romney doesn't pay his taxes. When Harry Reid was asked how do you know this he said an anonymous source told him. By that time they got the headline out and it was a sealed deal.

a reply to: infolurker

Fine, they lied about that carson lied about being offered a full scholarship. He was never offered that.
He might have been told hey you have a good chance of getting accepted, but with out applying we would never know.

Also lets make sure that we acknowledge that Carson and his campaign are separate entities, it is possible that he never said it but someone one working for his campaign did.
Politco never said that Carson him self said he admitted anything, they said his campaign did.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Dude,

No way you can defend these statements:

"Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship"

On Friday, Ben Carson’s campaign admitted that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

Ben Carson did not admit fabricating anything.

Ben Carson never said he applied and was accepted to West Point.


You can try to read into anything else but these "Erroneous Headline Grabbing" statements are FALSE.

Done.

a reply to: Sremmos80

he said it in writing...his own book....and he said it verbally on the Charlie rose show, on camera, in person, with his own mouth.

originally posted by: infolurker
Ben Carson did not admit fabricating anything.

Did he fabricate that he was offered a scholarship?

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Gryphon66

Dude,

No way you can defend these statements:

"Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship"

On Friday, Ben Carson’s campaign admitted that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

Ben Carson did not admit fabricating anything.

Ben Carson never said he applied and was accepted to West Point.


You can try to read into anything else but these "Erroneous Headline Grabbing" statements are FALSE.

Done.

geez.....here's the you tube video....he said "i was offered a scholarship to west point".......
www.youtube.com...
it's his own words

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: infolurker
Ben Carson did not admit fabricating anything.

Did he fabricate that he was offered a scholarship?

yes...see my above post

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: infolurker
Ben Carson did not admit fabricating anything.

Did he fabricate that he was offered a scholarship?

At the end of my twelfth grade I marched at the head of the Memorial Day parade. I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make it more wonderful, We had important visitors that day.

Two soldiers who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam were present. More exciting to me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war) attended with an impressive entourage. Afterward, Sgt. Hunt introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point. I didn’t refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn’t where I saw myself going.

Well, translate it from what was written.

If some Army officers can offer him a written scholarship (which is the wrong word in the first place since West Point is military) then he lied.

If you read it in context, He was offered a free education at West Point (as happens with high scoring individuals).

You be the judge. But to say Ben Carson admits lying about applying and getting to accepted to West Point... FALSE.


Scholarship (though generally meaning the same thing) for free higher education.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: infolurker
Ben Carson did not admit fabricating anything.

Did he fabricate that he was offered a scholarship?

yes...see my above post

He must have been mind-controlled by liberal satellites.

Possessed by Satan?

Maybe evil Lesbian Wiccans cast a spell on him?

(I'm trying to guess some of the excuses now Jimmy ... GOOD FIND!)

a reply to: jimmyx

Was talking about this 'admission' of fabrication.

I bet some young intern is going to get put on the chopping block soon, think it is possible some one said something wrong in his team.

Or politico is spinning, just as possible.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: infolurker
Ben Carson did not admit fabricating anything.

Did he fabricate that he was offered a scholarship?

yes...see my above post

He must have been mind-controlled by liberal satellites.

Possessed by Satan?

Maybe evil Lesbian Wiccans cast a spell on him?

(I'm trying to guess some of the excuses now Jimmy ... GOOD FIND!)

Say it 3 times:

I want it to be true that Ben Carson, that Ben Carson, admitted he lied and applied for West Point!!!

LOL

a reply to: infolurker

No the context is that he was offered a full scholarship, it is it plain english in what you quoted.
That is just not true, you have to be accepted first for that to be true, which if he never applied then he would never know if they would pay for his college.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Gryphon66

Dude,

No way you can defend these statements:

"Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship"

On Friday, Ben Carson’s campaign admitted that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

Ben Carson did not admit fabricating anything.

Ben Carson never said he applied and was accepted to West Point.


You can try to read into anything else but these "Erroneous Headline Grabbing" statements are FALSE.

Done.

Dude! Quote me defending the Politico article!



I can see that you desperately want to sidestep to something else.

But I only have one question for you: Did you say what I quoted or not?

Apologies to infolurker ... this latter comment was mistaken. Gryph

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: infolurker

No the context is that he was offered a full scholarship, it is it plain english in what you quoted.
That is just not true, you have to be accepted first for that to be true, which if he never applied then he would never know if they would pay for his college.

You don't pay for West Point. If you can get in, it is free.

It is pretty obvious, he could get in if he wanted to.

originally posted by: infolurker
But to say Ben Carson admits lying about applying and getting to accepted to West Point... FALSE.

I agree. It's a sensationalized headline and I bitch about them all the time.

He was offered a free education at West Point (as happens with high scoring individuals).

Was he, though? Was he told that he was accepted without even applying? Like I said on page 3, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I think he certainly stretched the truth. But so did Politico.

a reply to: infolurker

This will be the third time I've said it ...

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Gryphon66

While it was a ghostwriter who wrote the book...technically, acceptance is a scholarship, as all classes, room and board are payed by WP, if the candidate agrees to serve for 10 years as an officer in the military, upon successful graduation.

That a ghostwriter used the term scholarship, doesn't surprise me.

YOUR words; emphasis mine.

Infolurker did not say this. I was mistaken.

Dr. Carson's ghostwritten memoir "Gifted Hands" states that he received a scholarship offer FIVE times.

Dr. Carson has been linked above, in a video, stating "I was offered a scholarship."


He wasn't offered a scholarship.

He lied.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Not sure, what continues to confuse you, but here it is (one last time), simply put for you, as I am able:

1.) Dr. Carson was told by military officers that IF he applied to WP, he would be accepted and they would pay for everything for him (classes, room, board, etc.) while he was enrolled (this is the basic definition of a scholarship...and most people would agree)

2.) Dr. Carson thanked the military officials, said he was flattered...but, did not accept, as he wanted to pursue a career in medicine

3.) Since Dr. Carson did not accept, neither did he apply

4.) Since Dr. Carson did not apply, neither was he accepted, nor did he attend

Whether or not the term 'scholarship' was used at the time he was offered this opportunity (and we don't know the exact words used), that the original offer to West Point was considered to be a 'scholarship' by Dr. Carson (or a hired ghostwriter...or anyone else, including you or me) is not surprising in the least.

Who according to him offered him a scholarship, the school? or the gentlemen he was having dinner with?

"At the end of my twelfth grade I marched at the head of the Memorial Day parade. I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make it more wonderful, we had important visitors that day. Two soldiers who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam were present. More exciting to me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war) attended with an impressive entourage. Afterward, Sgt. Hunt introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point. I didn’t refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn’t where I saw myself going. As overjoyed as I felt to be offered such a scholarship, I wasn’t really tempted. The scholarship would have obligated me to spend four years in military service after finishing college, precluding my chances to go on to medical school. I knew my direction – I wanted to be a doctor, and nothing would divert me or stand in the way. Of course the offer of a full scholarship flattered me. I was developing confidence in my abilities – just like my mother had been telling me for at least he past ten years.”

It sounds like the General Westmoreland and Sgt. Hunt were the "they" and "them" in question. Of course if none of us were there, we cannot say whether they offered him a scholarship or not, nor whether the scholarship was official or unofficial.