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Team Carson: ‘Politico Story Is An Outright LIE’

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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:26 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: Gryphon66
One more small link, and I'm done. Some have said there's much worse things to worry about that this silly stuf, and they were right.



8. The question may arise whether an appointment to the Military Academy can be considered a “scholarship award” within the meaning of the income tax laws. The Internal Revenue Service has ruled that such an appointment is not a scholarship award and that the education provided by
the Military Academy must, therefore, be included as an item of support furnished by the Army.


Memorandum for Fourth Class Cadets - Income Tax Information - www.usma.edu


Well at least you got that all important IRS lingo in there. Guess it's time for Carson to just GTFO, lol.

Brilliant !!


What? It's a memo available on the Military Academy website. Click the link.

If that's the best you can do, check out ATS Predictions and Prophecies

uh, it's "what the IRS says". At least that's what the words that you quoted describe.

Are you even trying to be credible or rational here ?




posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:28 PM
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originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: Gryphon66
One more small link, and I'm done. Some have said there's much worse things to worry about that this silly stuf, and they were right.



8. The question may arise whether an appointment to the Military Academy can be considered a “scholarship award” within the meaning of the income tax laws. The Internal Revenue Service has ruled that such an appointment is not a scholarship award and that the education provided by
the Military Academy must, therefore, be included as an item of support furnished by the Army.


Memorandum for Fourth Class Cadets - Income Tax Information - www.usma.edu


Well at least you got that all important IRS lingo in there. Guess it's time for Carson to just GTFO, lol.

Brilliant !!


What? It's a memo available on the Military Academy website. Click the link.

If that's the best you can do, check out ATS Predictions and Prophecies

uh, it's "what the IRS says". At least that's what the words that you quoted describe.

Are you even trying to be credible or rational here ?


Last one.

Click the link. Read. Learn.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:28 PM
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So, "scholarship gate"
"pyramid gate"
"Jews would have been fine if they had had guns gate"
"no muslim president gate".
"prisons make men gay gate".
'assaulted his mother and friends gate'



Pick your poison. Polls showing 74% of people believe Carson won't be able to recover from the multi-gates.
edit on 11/6/2015 by angeldoll because: forgot the hammer to the mother gate



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:30 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: stevieray

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Are we playing cowboys, or playing poker?

I asked for a reference to a piece of evidence. I gave one in return.

Do you have a reference to the poster itself, or did you just feel the need to extemporize on things I've never said, done, or posted?

When you demand a source, you're questioning the veracity. True for the last, oh, 2-3,000 years.

I'm really just marveling at your humongous battle of trivia.

Your entire "scandal" is still based in the riveting war of synonyms "free education" vs. "scholarship"........."offered" vs. "applied / received"......etc.

It's just embarrassing, man. Not exactly bold and quality political discourse on the issues. But it's how your folks got rid of Cain and Romney 4 years ago, so any port in a storm I guess. It's still embarrassing to look at.


My scandal? Did I write the Politico article? Did I ghostwrite Carson's book?

My "folks"? LOL. Try the fiction forum.

The only embarrassment here is your rather obtuse sense of debate.

You and Dr. Carson aren't related, are you?

You use the word embarrassment, yet you write those last 2 sentences ? Awesome.

Yes, I'm Jebediah Carson, Ben's third cousin twice removed.

Which all by itself would instantly explain your fixation on the scandal of "misuse of synonyms". Got it.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:30 PM
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a reply to: stevieray


Your entire "scandal" is still based in the riveting war of synonyms "free education" vs. "scholarship"........."offered" vs. "applied / received"......etc.

It's just embarrassing, man. Not exactly bold and quality political discourse on the issues. But it's how your folks got rid of Cain and Romney 4 years ago, so any port in a storm I guess. It's still embarrassing to look at.


Was he or was he not offered an education at West Point? Simple question.

The context of what's in "his" book is completely false. We can argue all day about whether or not it was appropriate for Politico to interpret the email response from his campaign as a tacit admission that this was a fabrication but the fact remains that the version of events CHANGED from what is stated in his book AND what he has HIMSELF said (youtube video linked on previous page).

He's not standing by what's in the book. He's not standing by what he's said in the past. He's standing by a NEW VERSION. He could not possibly have met Westmoreland after the Memorial Day parade because Westmoreland WASN'T THERE. So when exactly was he offered an education at West Point and by whom? Who did he turn down and when?



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:31 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: Gryphon66
One more small link, and I'm done. Some have said there's much worse things to worry about that this silly stuf, and they were right.



8. The question may arise whether an appointment to the Military Academy can be considered a “scholarship award” within the meaning of the income tax laws. The Internal Revenue Service has ruled that such an appointment is not a scholarship award and that the education provided by
the Military Academy must, therefore, be included as an item of support furnished by the Army.


Memorandum for Fourth Class Cadets - Income Tax Information - www.usma.edu


Well at least you got that all important IRS lingo in there. Guess it's time for Carson to just GTFO, lol.

Brilliant !!


What? It's a memo available on the Military Academy website. Click the link.

If that's the best you can do, check out ATS Predictions and Prophecies

uh, it's "what the IRS says". At least that's what the words that you quoted describe.

Are you even trying to be credible or rational here ?


Last one.

Click the link. Read. Learn.

This is pitiful stuff. There's gotta be a better way for you to get out of the hole. Stop digging, lol.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:35 PM
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originally posted by: angeldoll
So, "scholarship gate"
"pyramid gate"
"Jews would have been fine if they had had guns gate"
"no muslim president gate".
"prisons make men gay gate".



Pick your poison. Polls showing 74% of people believe Carson won't be able to recover from the multi-gates.


haha, at first I thought you were mocking the pitiful "gotcha" meanderings. But then you went all "how great thou art" for them.

You do realize that Carson could never, in 3 lifetimes, catch up to Clinton, Obama, Biden, Gore, etc......in gaffes and lies ?

But that's not your thing, eh ? Yeah, probably not.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:36 PM
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"Team Carson" can't spin their way out of Carson's deliberate lie. Not only did he make the claim in writing, he was still making the claim as of 3 months ago.


Carson repeated his West Point claim as recently as Aug. 13, when he fielded questions from supporters on Facebook.

"The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school," Carson wrote. "Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point."


He never applied to West Point, was never accepted, much less received a "full scholarship". West Point itself has publicly stated he was never an applicant, or offered a scholarship.

ETA: here is a video of Carson also making the statement on Charlie Rose:

Ben Carson: "I was offered a full scholarship to West Point" (Oct 9, 2015) | Charlie Rose

edit on 6-11-2015 by Blackmarketeer because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:37 PM
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I think we should stop giving Stevie attention.It's apparent..



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: Blackmarketeer

I honestly believe that as a seventeen year old kid just out of highschool, that when they told him he was welcome to come, and he wouldn't have to pay anything, he absolutely believed he's been offered a scholarship. And in a way, he had. They said he could come free. What is that? In a way?

I think it was an honest mistake.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:41 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: stevieray


Your entire "scandal" is still based in the riveting war of synonyms "free education" vs. "scholarship"........."offered" vs. "applied / received"......etc.

It's just embarrassing, man. Not exactly bold and quality political discourse on the issues. But it's how your folks got rid of Cain and Romney 4 years ago, so any port in a storm I guess. It's still embarrassing to look at.


Was he or was he not offered an education at West Point? Simple question.

The context of what's in "his" book is completely false. We can argue all day about whether or not it was appropriate for Politico to interpret the email response from his campaign as a tacit admission that this was a fabrication but the fact remains that the version of events CHANGED from what is stated in his book AND what he has HIMSELF said (youtube video linked on previous page).

He's not standing by what's in the book. He's not standing by what he's said in the past. He's standing by a NEW VERSION. He could not possibly have met Westmoreland after the Memorial Day parade because Westmoreland WASN'T THERE. So when exactly was he offered an education at West Point and by whom? Who did he turn down and when?

haha, he was told "you can have it". Hmmm, yessss, horribly different from "offered".

Sorry, I think I'll wait for a little more info than this afternoon's blitz by the DNC and media, before weighing all the evidence. It doesn't seem like you will, though.

The "context" of his book is that he had an interest in the military, but chose medicine instead. Funny that "context" thing. You don't just say the word "context" and automatically "win" whatever you're desperately pursuing. The word context actually has a meaning. The context of this little story is "turning points and decisions". Not synonyms and your opinions of them. And calling people "liars" for their synonyms that you deem improper.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: stevieray

Dr.Ben sowed the seeds of his own destruction when he tried to hit his mother with a hammer. Karmas a bitch!

And that dumbass statment about pyramids and wheat storage didn't help....now this.

Trump is now shredding Carson...politics isn't about reality, perception is everything and Carson is now seen as a dork.
edit on 6-11-2015 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:43 PM
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This could backfire against the left machine, and give
Ben another boost in the ratings.

Heck, I remember when Hillary said she tried to join
the Marines....lol.

If I had to choose who I would be in battle with,
in a fox hole it would be Ben, not Hillary.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:44 PM
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originally posted by: stevieray
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Wow, the Obama-Hillary fans are desperate.
.


Trump immediately jumped all over this, too. And there are about a dozen GOP candidates that could be behind this.

I'm still curious about all these revelations hitting the news shortly after his latest crackpot economic statements. Big Money will put up with a religious fundamentalist but they're not going to put with someone making even more radical statements about the system than Bernie Sanders. And Wall Street (for example) doesn't neccesarily operate within the partisan paradigm.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:44 PM
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originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
West Point itself has publicly stated he was never an applicant, or offered a scholarship.




I don't believe that's what a West Point official said.


A spokesperson from West Point told NBC News they have no record of anything being offered to Carson, but that is not uncommon for an applicant at that time who does not ultimately seek admission.


Ben Carson Never Applied to West Point, Campaign Says


That seems to me he very well could have been given an offer of admission without applying.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:45 PM
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a reply to: stevieray

Obviously he's a bright man and probably a decent man. I just don't think he's Presidential material.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:45 PM
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originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
"Team Carson" can't spin their way out of Carson's deliberate lie. Not only did he make the claim in writing, he was still making the claim as of 3 months ago.


Carson repeated his West Point claim as recently as Aug. 13, when he fielded questions from supporters on Facebook.

"The next question is from Bill. He wanted to know if it was true that I was offered a slot at West Point after high school," Carson wrote. "Bill, that is true. I was the highest student ROTC member in Detroit and was thrilled to get an offer from West Point."


He never applied to West Point, was never accepted, much less received a "full scholarship". West Point itself has publicly stated he was never an applicant, or offered a scholarship.


You did notice, I hope, that the quote of Carson doesn't include "applied or accepted". You didn't ? woops, sorry.

Someone he believed had the authority made an offer verbally. Um, that's what he says in the book.

Dancing around the word "scholarship" has already embarrassed many. You don't really mean to just repeat it like that, do you ?



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:45 PM
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Reading the Politco article one finds this:




“I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make it more wonderful, we had important visitors that day. Two soldiers who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam were present,” he wrote. “More exciting to me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war) attended with an impressive entourage. Afterward, Sgt. Hunt” — his high school ROTC director — “introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point.”

But, according to records of Westmoreland’s schedule that were provided by the U.S. Army, the general did not visit Detroit around Memorial Day in 1969 or have dinner with Carson. In fact, the general’s records suggest he was in Washington that day and played tennis at 6:45 p.m.

Read more: www.politico.com...


Seems like an incredibly specific memory to be ... er ... "mistaken" about doesn't it?



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: burntheships
If I had to choose who I would be in battle with,
in a fox hole it would be Ben, not Hillary.


Yes, because one's political affiliation or ideology determines a person's effectiveness on the battlefield?




posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: Blackmarketeer

I honestly believe that as a seventeen year old kid just out of highschool, that when they told him he was welcome to come, and he wouldn't have to pay anything, he absolutely believed he's been offered a scholarship. And in a way, he had. They said he could come free. What is that? In a way?

I think it was an honest mistake.

Sorry if I misunderstood you earlier. What you say here is eminently logical. Several folks here aren't gonna have any of it !




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