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Team Carson: ‘Politico Story Is An Outright LIE’

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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 04:49 PM
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It seems that what people are confused about is the word scholarship versus appointment. In the case of West Point, at least back in the '60s---an appointment to the academy was equal to a scholarship at a college or university. Perhaps the reporter is not as knowledgeable about the subject of military academies as he should be? The academy isn't a "free ride" in same sense as a scholarship at public institution, it has an obligation to military service. Nonetheless, an appointment is commonly referenced as a scholarship since cadets don't pay to go there.
I would equate this to the time during his campaign when Mr. Obama announced that he had visited 57 states, not when Mr. Clinton flat out stated that he didn't ....well, you remember.
Who on earth pays any attention to Politco anyway?




posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Wow, the Obama-Hillary fans are desperate. Pitiful and sick that "getting Carson" requires them to slavishly mouth-breathe the following -

"A free ride / no-cost appointment" can never be called "a scholarship". dumb......

A military official stating "you could have an appointment" could never be described as "offered". dumb.....

If he says "offered" it has to mean "applied and accepted". dumb.........

This is the basis of his "lies". dumb X 1000....

Don't you people have a modicum of values or dignity ?

The media is falling all over themselves to whip this into a story......and they don't have one second to devote to dozens of Clinton lies, several venturing into illegal, over many years. Pathetic.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: stevieray

The media is falling all over themselves to whip this into a story......and they don't have one second to devote to dozens of Clinton lies, several venturing into illegal, over many years. Pathetic.


I guess you've never watched Fox News.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 05:21 PM
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Now who still gonna call him a liar?



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 05:27 PM
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a reply to: TKDRL

You don't happen to have a source on that graphic, do you?

EDIT: I ask because here is the Admissions page at West Point.



Being accepted for admission to the United States Military Academy (USMA) at West Point is an exceptional honor reserved for our nation’s most promising students. But it takes more than excellent grades to be accepted for admission. West Point wants leaders who are not only intelligent, who are physically fit and of outstanding character. Those who are selected to attend USMA receive a college education that is unparalleled in the world with tuition, room and board, and expenses fully paid.


EDIT2: Also, searching at West Point for the word "scholarship" yields information about the concept of scholarship (academic learning and production) ... talks about Rhodes Scholarships and Fulbright Scholarships (you know ... er ... scholarships.) but nothing about West Point's scholarship program. Link to Search Results
edit on 17Fri, 06 Nov 2015 17:38:29 -060015p0520151166 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 05:28 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: stevieray

The media is falling all over themselves to whip this into a story......and they don't have one second to devote to dozens of Clinton lies, several venturing into illegal, over many years. Pathetic.


I guess you've never watched Fox News.



I don't very much, just enough to know that they have some conservatives, and some celebrated Obama/ Hillary-lovin' liberals.

The only outlet out of ~30 that isn't 100 % liberal-democrat-socialist. Total blackout on "bad Hillary news". Total devotion to "good Hillary sweetness and goodness".



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: TKDRL


Now who still gonna call him a liar?

haha, apparently based on the reply to you.....whoever wants to imply that your poster is fake.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 05:37 PM
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a reply to: stevieray

Breitbart News
The Blaze
Wall Street Journal
Drudge Report
Newsmax
National Review
Washington Times

Off the top of my head.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 05:39 PM
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a reply to: jimmyx


The Carson campaign disputes Politico’s unsubstantiated claim he ever claimed to have applied to West Point or been admitted: “He never said he was admitted or even applied.”


Not to mention it's in "his" book. Which all of a sudden they're clamoring to explain was written by a ghost writer as if that's something to be exited about.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:00 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TKDRL

You don't happen to have a source on that graphic, do you?

EDIT: I ask because here is the Admissions page at West Point.



Being accepted for admission to the United States Military Academy (USMA) at West Point is an exceptional honor reserved for our nation’s most promising students. But it takes more than excellent grades to be accepted for admission. West Point wants leaders who are not only intelligent, who are physically fit and of outstanding character. Those who are selected to attend USMA receive a college education that is unparalleled in the world with tuition, room and board, and expenses fully paid.


EDIT2: Also, searching at West Point for the word "scholarship" yields information about the concept of scholarship (academic learning and production) ... talks about Rhodes Scholarships and Fulbright Scholarships (you know ... er ... scholarships.) but nothing about West Point's scholarship program. Link to Search Results


You're really, REALLY, hanging your hat on on the huge point that a free education, cost-free appointment, "free-ride".......should NEVER EVER EVER be referred to as a "scholarship" ??

Really ? I have to force myself to stop saying 'really', because it's such a ridiculous thing to be wielding as your "ace card". Just about beyond comprehension.

This is really (woops) the way to to prop up your person in an election ? To scour the arcane minutiae in some website proving that some guy used a "disallowed" synonym ?

Good God, that's pitiful.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:01 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: jimmyx


The Carson campaign disputes Politico’s unsubstantiated claim he ever claimed to have applied to West Point or been admitted: “He never said he was admitted or even applied.”


Not to mention it's in "his" book. Which all of a sudden they're clamoring to explain was written by a ghost writer as if that's something to be exited about.

hmmm, seemed to explain all of the Obama anomalies like "composite" girlfriends and the such. And Wright. And Ayers, And so on.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: stevieray

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Are we playing cowboys, or playing poker?

I asked for a reference to a piece of evidence. I gave one in return.

Do you have a reference to the poster itself, or did you just feel the need to extemporize on things I've never said, done, or posted?



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:12 PM
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The only outright Lies is His stories of grandeur..This mumble mouth that's running for the presidency is imploding as I type this..He's a Straight Up Lying sack of S***
edit on 6-11-2015 by greydaze because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:12 PM
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One more small link, and I'm done. Some have said there's much worse things to worry about that this silly stuf, and they were right.



8. The question may arise whether an appointment to the Military Academy can be considered a “scholarship award” within the meaning of the income tax laws. The Internal Revenue Service has ruled that such an appointment is not a scholarship award and that the education provided by
the Military Academy must, therefore, be included as an item of support furnished by the Army.


Memorandum for Fourth Class Cadets - Income Tax Information - www.usma.edu
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posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TKDRL

You don't happen to have a source on that graphic, do you?

EDIT: I ask because here is the Admissions page at West Point.



Being accepted for admission to the United States Military Academy (USMA) at West Point is an exceptional honor reserved for our nation’s most promising students. But it takes more than excellent grades to be accepted for admission. West Point wants leaders who are not only intelligent, who are physically fit and of outstanding character. Those who are selected to attend USMA receive a college education that is unparalleled in the world with tuition, room and board, and expenses fully paid.


EDIT2: Also, searching at West Point for the word "scholarship" yields information about the concept of scholarship (academic learning and production) ... talks about Rhodes Scholarships and Fulbright Scholarships (you know ... er ... scholarships.) but nothing about West Point's scholarship program. Link to Search Results



Search, instead, for some of the text in the image, and you'll find a different result.

I searched for, "each year about 1200 young men and women take advantage of the opportunity to attend West Point".

The link to Google Books, which shows the Feb 1992 ad in a magazine called, "Black Enterprise", is up near the top of the page.

I can't think of a reason why someone other than W.M.A., themselves, would take out that ad. Obviously it's there, and it's legit.

The word "scholarship" is present.

You've been trying to derail the topic, as usual, which is the fact that Politico Lied, and drown it out with semantic nonsense.

It is working, in a way. You have people spending their time defending the truth, rather than focusing on real issues.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: stevieray

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Are we playing cowboys, or playing poker?

I asked for a reference to a piece of evidence. I gave one in return.

Do you have a reference to the poster itself, or did you just feel the need to extemporize on things I've never said, done, or posted?

When you demand a source, you're questioning the veracity. True for the last, oh, 2-3,000 years.

I'm really just marveling at your humongous battle of trivia.

Your entire "scandal" is still based in the riveting war of synonyms "free education" vs. "scholarship"........."offered" vs. "applied / received"......etc.

It's just embarrassing, man. Not exactly bold and quality political discourse on the issues. But it's how your folks got rid of Cain and Romney 4 years ago, so any port in a storm I guess. It's still embarrassing to look at.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
One more small link, and I'm done. Some have said there's much worse things to worry about that this silly stuf, and they were right.



8. The question may arise whether an appointment to the Military Academy can be considered a “scholarship award” within the meaning of the income tax laws. The Internal Revenue Service has ruled that such an appointment is not a scholarship award and that the education provided by
the Military Academy must, therefore, be included as an item of support furnished by the Army.


Memorandum for Fourth Class Cadets - Income Tax Information - www.usma.edu


Well at least you got that all important IRS lingo in there. Guess it's time for Carson to just GTFO, lol.

Brilliant !!



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: Gryphon66
One more small link, and I'm done. Some have said there's much worse things to worry about that this silly stuf, and they were right.



8. The question may arise whether an appointment to the Military Academy can be considered a “scholarship award” within the meaning of the income tax laws. The Internal Revenue Service has ruled that such an appointment is not a scholarship award and that the education provided by
the Military Academy must, therefore, be included as an item of support furnished by the Army.


Memorandum for Fourth Class Cadets - Income Tax Information - www.usma.edu


Well at least you got that all important IRS lingo in there. Guess it's time for Carson to just GTFO, lol.

Brilliant !!


What? It's a memo available on the Military Academy website. Click the link.

If that's the best you can do, check out ATS Predictions and Prophecies



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:24 PM
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originally posted by: greydaze
The only outright Lies is His stories of grandeur..This mumble mouth to run for the presidency is imploding as I type this..He's a Straight Up Lying sack of S***

haha, yeah, this guy who was the pre-eminent brain surgeon in the world, will just have to give up that "grandeur" thing because you say so. I'm totally sure that he was digging for the "grandeur" of his ROTC days 30 years prior to running Johns Hopkins, and not just describing different decisions in his life.

Funny you just don't have such fervor for the Clinton lies that get uncovered virtually on the hour, or the serial inane stuff from her hubby Bubba, or Gore, or Mr. "keep your doctor".

Fascinating consistency there.



posted on Nov, 6 2015 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: stevieray

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Are we playing cowboys, or playing poker?

I asked for a reference to a piece of evidence. I gave one in return.

Do you have a reference to the poster itself, or did you just feel the need to extemporize on things I've never said, done, or posted?

When you demand a source, you're questioning the veracity. True for the last, oh, 2-3,000 years.

I'm really just marveling at your humongous battle of trivia.

Your entire "scandal" is still based in the riveting war of synonyms "free education" vs. "scholarship"........."offered" vs. "applied / received"......etc.

It's just embarrassing, man. Not exactly bold and quality political discourse on the issues. But it's how your folks got rid of Cain and Romney 4 years ago, so any port in a storm I guess. It's still embarrassing to look at.


My scandal? Did I write the Politico article? Did I ghostwrite Carson's book?

My "folks"? LOL. Try the fiction forum.

The only embarrassment here is your rather obtuse sense of debate.

You and Dr. Carson aren't related, are you?




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