Teenager becomes possessed when she used a Ouija board app on her smartphone

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DeathSlayer

So the only source you are willing to submit here for review to substantiate your comments is your own experiences and beliefs?

Good enough; thank you kindly for your answer.

Negative.... you have not read the thread..... this tells me you are trolling.

originally posted by: sHuRuLuNi
It's the Jinn.

Not "ancestor spirits" or the like.

The Jinn, according to Islam, are inter-dimensional beings, i.e. they live just like humans, with similar customs and beliefs, but in another dimension.

While we are not able to cross to their dimension, they, being made of some kind of energy, are in fact able to cross to our dimension.

Prophet Solomon (pbuh) used Jinns for work. They would obey him.


The problem with Ouija boards and other contraptions is that when you use them you are basically inviting the Jinn to our dimension.

The believing Jinn (i.e. that believe in One God), will not contact you unless you are a Prophet or something, but since you are not, then the "evil" Jinn (those that reject God) will indeed contact you.
Their one and main purpose is to make you do all the things that are against God.

They will make you curse, use profane language, do evil things, so as to displease God.


How do they do this?
As shown in the last sura of the Qur'an where we are instructed to seek refuge in God form the evil of the Jinn (and men) - the chapter describes them as "whisperers" who whisper into ones "hearts" (quranic symbolism equates "heart" with "mind").

So, the jinn "whisper" into the mind of the person, making that person think he himself is thinking a thing, while he is not.
They also influence in this way various parts of the brain to make the person behave differently or even do things which they would not do.

The Jinn can influence the mind of the person so much that they can make him speak in a language he never in his life spoke before.

I have witnessed this myself.



OH, and when I was 10 years old or something, I also tried the Ouija board. The cup I was using started moving (and yes, I know about the unconscious thing) but it was moving AWAY from me SO MUCH that it actually SLIPPED away from under my finger and continued moving for several inches!

I was SO AFRAID, my heart started PUMPING, that I ran to my mother shivering and told her to cover me with blankets.

I know the Jinn, ancient spirits of the desert, a very powerful one is called, the prince of Persia and he is not to be messed with. It took the archangel, Prince Michael to make him back off so a messenger of God (angel) could talk with Daniel. They are blood thirsty and often demand blood sacrifices.

I noticed reality was creating destruction in mathematical patterns so I played a Ouija bored type game of asking reality questions then asked for answers with certain types of events. I then made a thread about it wondering if anything would happen... And something interesting happened but no one talks about it.

Chech the thread and scroll down a few posts.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Basically I asked for an earthquake somewhere and it apparently happened. The details around the earthquake like date and co ordinance are coded in a way that relate to my birthday.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

I'm keeping my opinion on this to myself because its futile to think my opinion would sway anyone either way, but I am curious, would a ouija board be able to cause demonic possession to a strong believer who is Jewish, or Muslim?

Would a Scientologist be susceptible? Or a Buddhist?

originally posted by: AmericanRealist
a reply to: Gryphon66

you can start here and also take note of the following

Violent crime has shown a surprise increase, official figures have revealed.

Data showed that violence against the person offences reported to the police in 2013 showed a 1 per cent rise to 614,400, or nearly 7,000 extra victims in the year.

The Office for National Statistics (ONS) said the increase was down to "improvements in recording" – amid widespread concern that crime figures have been "fiddled" by forces.

On Wednesday a survey by academic suggested violent crime fell by 12 per cent last year, based on records from 117 casualty departments and walk-in centres across England and Wales.

An inquiry by MPs, which began last year, exposed a number of serious failings to record crime accurately.

In their final report, published earlier this month, the Commons committee said senior police officers have allowed misrecording of crime figures to become "ingrained".

It concluded there was strong evidence the fall in crime had been "exaggerated", and that police chiefs, ministers and official bodies were guilty of “long-standing failures”.

But you being from there are certainly aware of the scandal that police were under reporting and manipulating statistics due to political pressure. No doubt in an attempt to justify the continued banning of handguns.

Only one percent? ha yea right. Sounds like they are easing you in to hear the truth before they realize what a failure certain policies were.

But my point was this increase in violent crime can very well be from the insanity caused by making contact with entities using this medium.

This post doesn't provide and concrete correlation between Ouija board sales and violent crime increases. You are just linking crime stats and saying, "well it's possible that it has to do with Ouija board use." That isn't evidence. That is wishful thinking with a dash of confirmation bias.

All you've proved is that violent crime has increased and that the data for reporting those crimes may be fudged. Read your sources honestly and stop adding extra content to them that isn't said.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DeathSlayer

So the only source you are willing to submit here for review to substantiate your comments is your own experiences and beliefs?

Good enough; thank you kindly for your answer.

Negative.... you have not read the thread..... this tells me you are trolling.

Reading this thread is unnecessary. Ouija boards are proven hoaxes. Besides, all the evidence you present are just anecdotes and that is a logical fallacy. Here, some real evidence.

The Strange and Mysterious History of the Ouija Board

But opening the gates of hell wasn’t on anyone’s mind when they started the Kennard Novelty Company, the first producers of the Ouija board; in fact, they were mostly looking to open Americans’ wallets.

...

Ouija boards are not, scientists say, powered by spirits or even demons. Disappointing but also potentially useful—because they’re powered by us, even when we protest that we’re not doing it, we swear. Ouija boards work on a principle known to those studying the mind for more than 160 years: the ideometer effect. In 1852, physician and physiologist William Benjamin Carpenter published a report for the Royal Institution of Great Britain, examining these automatic muscular movements that take place without the conscious will or volition of the individual (think crying in reaction to a sad film, for example). Almost immediately, other researchers saw applications of the ideometer effect in the popular spiritualist pastimes. In 1853, chemist and physicist Michael Faraday, intrigued by table-turning, conducted a series of experiments that proved to him (though not to most spiritualists) that the table’s motion was due to the ideomotor actions of the participants.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

a sin? please, with that logic, if I watch porn on my smartphone on the youporn application a demon will start possessing/attacking me.

so why doesn't ZOZO (lol) drag your butt out of the chair down the stairs now? if you can't play with his name in your physical/smartphone Ouija board, then why can you do it with your computer?.

it is indeed impossible, just more and more religious propaganda, "be afraid boo" "do no sin or the devil will get you boo", I thought we were past the 16th century.

I'm gonna develop the "Noodle Board" application, it will allow us to summon and communicate with the Flying Spaghetti Monster's holy appendages.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Most Satanists are atheists, and most "witches" are Wiccan and don't believe in Da Devil.

How many Satanists/witches are you basing your sample on?

I have met many witches that are not wiccan but have a covenant with Satan. I have met Satanist who say they do not pray to Satan. I have met Satanist that say they belong to the Church of Satan but do not pray to Satan. I have met Satanist who say they pray to Satan and devout their entire being to worshipping him. I have met Masons who worship Satan.

Many Satanist know of God in heaven but want nothing to do with him. They hate him. They are not atheist. They want to go to hell and serve just like the guy in Oregon who gunned down and murdered those kids in school.

So which Satanist type are you talking about? The same with witches. There are many different types just like in religion.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
But my point was this increase in violent crime can very well be from the insanity caused by making contact with entities using this medium.

This post doesn't provide and concrete correlation between Ouija board sales and violent crime increases. You are just linking crime stats and saying, "well it's possible that it has to do with Ouija board use." That isn't evidence. That is wishful thinking with a dash of confirmation bias.

All you've proved is that violent crime has increased and that the data for reporting those crimes may be fudged. Read your sources honestly and stop adding extra content to them that isn't said.

The bold words identify my opinion, which is all I ever stated. The person I was responding to only wanted to see the facts that violent crime was increasing. TO which I obliged. I only half jokingly stated that in my opinion this could be a direct correlation to the increased sales of this product.


And regardless to the following post where you cite the origin, it still does not explain why these automatic muscular movements that take place without the conscious will or volition of the individual occur, only that they do in these instances. In fact I would say the example cited (think crying in reaction to a sad film, for example) is a pathetic metaphor as that is a direct emotional response much like when you see some chinese guy beating and stomping on a toddler in a busy sidewalk.

It only explains that they occur during these events. The fact they are more associated with applications of the ideometer effect in the popular spiritualist pastimes. to me says it is a direct correlation to the supernatural, as I dont see any explanation as to why the movement occurs.

originally posted by: Learningman
a reply to: DeathSlayer

I'm keeping my opinion on this to myself because its futile to think my opinion would sway anyone either way, but I am curious, would a ouija board be able to cause demonic possession to a strong believer who is Jewish, or Muslim?

Would a Scientologist be susceptible? Or a Buddhist?

It does not matter what faith you have when playing with the occult. If you have no spiritual response when playing the ouija board there are many other occult type practices that will. You don't have to believe me.... just try a few. It will not take long before you feel and see things....... things that will change your life and the life of your loved ones.

Of course it is my hope you don't practice this type of ritual. BUT there are those who demand proof and like I have said numerous times inside this thread anyone who demands proof I will show them. Why? Because they want PROOF - it is these people who do not believe in God or Satan, nor in heaven or hell.

Many must go to hell before they can get to heaven. Think about this before you ask........

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DeathSlayer

So the only source you are willing to submit here for review to substantiate your comments is your own experiences and beliefs?

Good enough; thank you kindly for your answer.

Negative.... you have not read the thread..... this tells me you are trolling.

Reading this thread is unnecessary. Ouija boards are proven hoaxes. Besides, all the evidence you present are just anecdotes and that is a logical fallacy. Here, some real evidence.

The Strange and Mysterious History of the Ouija Board

But opening the gates of hell wasn’t on anyone’s mind when they started the Kennard Novelty Company, the first producers of the Ouija board; in fact, they were mostly looking to open Americans’ wallets.

...

Ouija boards are not, scientists say, powered by spirits or even demons. Disappointing but also potentially useful—because they’re powered by us, even when we protest that we’re not doing it, we swear. Ouija boards work on a principle known to those studying the mind for more than 160 years: the ideometer effect. In 1852, physician and physiologist William Benjamin Carpenter published a report for the Royal Institution of Great Britain, examining these automatic muscular movements that take place without the conscious will or volition of the individual (think crying in reaction to a sad film, for example). Almost immediately, other researchers saw applications of the ideometer effect in the popular spiritualist pastimes. In 1853, chemist and physicist Michael Faraday, intrigued by table-turning, conducted a series of experiments that proved to him (though not to most spiritualists) that the table’s motion was due to the ideomotor actions of the participants.

Oh I see..... so scientist say this.... or that. I remember a time when scientist said the earth is flat or that the sun revolves around the earth.

I can come up with a thousand things scientist have said in the past and then later recant.

I do not disagree with all scientist especially those who start of saying this is their theory and not a FACT. I believe the science world has had to recant more FACTS than actually discoveries made in science name.

slayer please dont encourage people to find out. Its very likely some will try and never post on ATS again. Those of us who respond in the thread are not the only ones reading this.

Many people who use this crap dont make a connection, and thats a good thing because it will spare them. There are those whose hearts will be hardened until the very end continue to deny even in the face of their own demise.

Those who do connect are usually never the same again at best, or end up dead or missing at worst. Best to just let this thread die.

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

I know the Jinn, ancient spirits of the desert, a very powerful one is called, the prince of Persia and he is not to be messed with. It took the archangel, Prince Michael to make him back off so a messenger of God (angel) could talk with Daniel. They are blood thirsty and often demand blood sacrifices.

So was this Djin only recognised in 550 BC? Or was it renamed? Or was it only discovered or named a thousand years later when the Persian dynasties fell to Islamic conquest?

Persia was Zoroastrian for the preceding thousand years, and while they have a similar entity to djin that could be called a demon or djin (daeva), this is not of the judeo-christian persuasion.

So why is there a djin called the prince of Persia?

originally posted by: Vamana
a reply to: DeathSlayer

a sin? please, with that logic, if I watch porn on my smartphone on the youporn application a demon will start possessing/attacking me.

so why doesn't ZOZO (lol) drag your butt out of the chair down the stairs now? if you can't play with his name in your physical/smartphone Ouija board, then why can you do it with your computer?.

it is indeed impossible, just more and more religious propaganda, "be afraid boo" "do no sin or the devil will get you boo", I thought we were past the 16th century.

I'm gonna develop the "Noodle Board" application, it will allow us to summon and communicate with the Flying Spaghetti Monster's holy appendages.

I don't play with the occult so I don't play ouija boards of any kind.

Apparently you do not believe in sin. Many people don't.

Good luck with that.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

So if you are of faith in any higher power, you can be possessed by judeo-christian demons?

I don't really understand why that would be. What of faiths that have no concept of duality, no heaven and hell, no 'good' and 'bad' spirits such as angels or demons?

Surely as it is, as claimed, something Satan wants, it would only apply to the religions that believe in Satan, or otherwise work on ANYBODY, be they Christ believer, atheist or jedi?

a reply to: AmericanRealist

So in other words you are saying that the absence of evidence against your idea is evidence for your theory. That is fallacious reasoning and a violation of Occam's Razor.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Lately it seems we could do with a hefty dose of Occams Strop

a reply to: Learningman

me and slayer have a different interpretation. Apparently I had no idea that what I refer to as Dark entities as I described briefly is very much exactly as the jinn described in the Quran as mentioned earlier by sHuRuLuNi here .

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Oh I see..... so scientist say this.... or that. I remember a time when scientist said the earth is flat or that the sun revolves around the earth.



Sorry to go off topic but that is untrue, I see it bandied about by both Christians and atheists alike

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Learningman

originally posted by: DeathSlayer

I know the Jinn, ancient spirits of the desert, a very powerful one is called, the prince of Persia and he is not to be messed with. It took the archangel, Prince Michael to make him back off so a messenger of God (angel) could talk with Daniel. They are blood thirsty and often demand blood sacrifices.

So was this Djin only recognised in 550 BC? Or was it renamed? Or was it only discovered or named a thousand years later when the Persian dynasties fell to Islamic conquest?

Persia was Zoroastrian for the preceding thousand years, and while they have a similar entity to djin that could be called a demon or djin (daeva), this is not of the judeo-christian persuasion.

So why is there a djin called the prince of Persia?

That particular Jinn called the Prince of Persia was identified as such during the times of the prophet Daniel. Whether this particular Jinn is known by a another name dating back further is not known just like humans who change our names to hide our past.