Calgary Man says he was fired for not driving Pride bus

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Boadicea
Of course, I would also have said that because it is the law, and as long as it is the law, that those legal rights must be given the same due process and consideration as any other laws, and that to ignore and or deny those legal rights is just as wrong as ignoring anyone else's rights to due process.

There is no law. Read the post above yours. The man was not even asked to drive the bus and was NOT fired for refusing.

Except that there is a law in Canada... and it does protect religious beliefs... and it does require reasonable accommodations to be considered and enacted where possible without undue hardship to the business. Just like in the U.S.A. But we both know that you know that already, don't we?

I am also well aware that the bus driver was not fired for his religious views, but for his public and social media comments. That does not change the reality of the laws I was addressing.

a reply to: Boadicea

originally posted by: Boadicea
But we both know that you know that already, don't we?

No. We don't. Truth is, I misunderstood your first post. I apologize for that. I was in a hurry and I skimmed it. I didn't realize that you were talking about Canada's religious freedom laws. So, just ignore my response.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: Boadicea

originally posted by: Boadicea
But we both know that you know that already, don't we?

No. We don't. Truth is, I misunderstood your first post. I apologize for that. I was in a hurry and I skimmed it. I didn't realize that you were talking about Canada's religious freedom laws. So, just ignore my response.

Okay. Apology accepted -- no worries.

Thank you for clarifying. I appreciate that.

a reply to: Joneselius

So they didn't fire him because he refused his Job?

So people want to tell their boss that they would refuse to do their Job, and expect to continue getting paid...ummm

He had every rights to not drive a bus which is painted in something he is against...and the company had every rights to kick him out for his decision.

I'm not religious but I fully understand him...and the company.

It seems there are more and more occurrences where people are refusing to do their Job and expect to get paid and not get fired, like consequences don't apply to them because they hide behind their Beliefs

originally posted by: SlowNail
I'm not religious or homophobic, but I'd probably look for another job before driving the bus. To put it in context, how about trying the colours in other jobs? Can you see this working for servers in restaurants? Sportsmen? Construction? I'd love to see LGBT hi viz on tradesmen.

You mean you'd love to see somthing like this?

AFL teams to hold Pride match

or this?

Tradies not confused by gay marriage

We're nothing to be feared. In fact you will find we can make good mates that are great to be around.

a reply to: mOjOm
Would you compel him to drive a KKK Pride bus? What about a bus with ISIS representations?
Would you personally drive those buses if directed to do so by your employer?

a reply to: diggindirt

I think there is bit of a difference between a white supremacist hate group and a parade celebrating diversity.....

Just saying

a reply to: markosity1973
Of course there is a difference in our perception of those two groups. But if a driver can be forced to drive for one then he can be forced to drive for the other, yes?
Those KKK members and those ISIS members have the same freedom of expression as the Gay Pride group under the law (assuming that Canada's religious protection laws are similar to the US law.) While you and I might not agree with them, we can't deny their rights on philosophical differences. That's what makes us free.
I lived through the turmoil of the Civil Rights movement. It was through the message of Dr. King that I learned to respect the law and work to change it instead of spreading hate of those who had different (and in my view, wrong) opinions and beliefs. Dr. King believed that all God's children deserve love and respect. He lived that philosophy and they shot him in the head for it.

a reply to: markosity1973

Not to some people who need to justify this "Anti-Gay Agenda". i think we have to understand that we are Evil, and easily compared to Hitler, Pedophiles, Racist and a CIA terrorist organization

a reply to: markosity1973

Oh yeah, that's exactly what I was getting at. The philosophical meaning between male-male circuit joints. Yeah, that's totally the same thing.

a reply to: markosity1973

haha seriously , i see them do that in almost every thread ,comparing gays to kkk and iss, and they say it in the nicest way they can to make themselves feel better.

originally posted by: diggindirt
Would you compel him to drive a KKK Pride bus? What about a bus with ISIS representations?
Would you personally drive those buses if directed to do so by your employer?

Those are both hate groups which isn't even close to the same thing. But I'd probably still drive them, yah. Obviously that would never happen because of safety reasons but remove the fact that I might get lynched for it and I wouldn't have a problem driving it.

Being that I'm only driving it, it's on the company for whatever they want to put on the side of it. I'd drive a pink cab or a semi with ducky's and bunny's on it too if it was my job and I valued my job. But I'm not someone who get's all hung up on superficial stuff like that.

I noticed how you chose to avoid my entire question too and just went right to your own questions, which I answered like always. Kinda shows who's being genuine and who isn't IMO. I'm not afraid to answer the questions that are asked because I'm not hiding behind false arguments or deceptive ideas.

Have you located that piece of scripture that says, "Thou shall not drive a Pride Bus" yet???

originally posted by: theboarman

haha seriously , i see them do that in almost every thread ,comparing gays to kkk and iss, and they say it in the nicest way they can to make themselves feel better.

What's ironic is that the Religious Freedom crowd is closer to the same mentality of the KKK and ISIS than Gay's have ever been.

Maybe that's why they always seem to come up in conversation so much. Some kind of deflection tactic or transference of guilt or something??

a reply to: mOjOm

for your first point i totally agree, i couldn't have said it better myself.

for your second point it totally is a deflection tactic , but not really a good one because it just makes them look more backwards .

originally posted by: theboarman
a reply to: markosity1973

haha seriously , i see them do that in almost every thread ,comparing gays to kkk and iss, and they say it in the nicest way they can to make themselves feel better.

It must be really limiting living a life where your fears and hatred controls you.

My very own family used to espouse the same poison views, but they managed to confront their fears and prejudices to overcome their hatred of us all. After all, it's from straight homes that most gay people are born, yet some take great delight in disowning their own their own progeny.

a reply to: markosity1973

i think you misunderstood me.

im for the gays.

a reply to: theboarman

Lolz no, you misunderstood me - I was speaking in support of your reply, not against it.

It is difficult to understand sometimes whom a remark is aimed at in the digital realm, I do sincerely apologise if I upset you.

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: markosity1973
Of course there is a difference in our perception of those two groups. But if a driver can be forced to drive for one then he can be forced to drive for the other, yes?
Those KKK members and those ISIS members have the same freedom of expression as the Gay Pride group under the law (assuming that Canada's religious protection laws are similar to the US law.) While you and I might not agree with them, we can't deny their rights on philosophical differences. That's what makes us free.
I lived through the turmoil of the Civil Rights movement. It was through the message of Dr. King that I learned to respect the law and work to change it instead of spreading hate of those who had different (and in my view, wrong) opinions and beliefs. Dr. King believed that all God's children deserve love and respect. He lived that philosophy and they shot him in the head for it.

This is getting all tangled up - the KKK and ISIS pervert and take advantage of the spirit of religion laws.

Sexuality is not a religion.

Why is it that sexuality is something that gets religious folk so hot and bothered? Is it because y'all are fighting some seriously repressed feelings or something? I mean in the grand scheme of things, it (homosexuality) is really only mentioned in the bible about as often as eating certain types of foods or hygiene laws. The bible has some very dirty stuff in there anyway - yes I know about the song of songs..... porn for Christians!

Being near us does not make you one of us. Driving a bus to and through a parade does not make one gay or tell God you approve. God can read your heart and if that driver went to the parade, clenching the wheel for dear life praying the Lords prayer all the way through it, do you thing God is gonna think he wanted to be there?

Religious freedom is an excuse to be a bigot in America.

If you want to see true religious freedom, then watch the trailer for this doco below. I'm not afraid to admit I cried my eyes out for these people when I saw the whole doco (not sure how to find it again on RT, but it was very truthful and engaging)

Yes, a gay man shed tears for his christian brothers in humanity. Yet very few Christians give a damn about us.....